RE: Mercedes-AMG GT C Roadster: Review

RE: Mercedes-AMG GT C Roadster: Review

Thursday 30th March 2017

Mercedes-AMG GT C Roadster: Review

Why chopping the roof off could be the best thing AMG has done to the GT



The day starts well in the 'entry level' AMG GT Roadster. Yes, the £110,145 one with a mere 476hp. As the long, straight desert road suddenly spirals up into the hills I'm already thinking just what more the GT C I'm yet to drive could bring to the experience. OK, the simple answer is 557hp and a more muscular, widebody stance to accommodate bigger rear tyres and hardware for the rear-wheel steering from the GT R.


But the base GT isn't exactly wanting for firepower, or soundtrack. Echoing off the rocks and into the open cabin the V8 proves turbocharged engines needn't sound flat or boring, AMG recognising the importance of proper exhaust sound (the two-flap Performance Exhaust is standard across the GT range in the UK) to making the experience feel fast. And it IS fast. OK, against 1,670kg and a steep uphill gradient 476hp and 464lb ft perhaps doesn't feel as utterly rampant as it might. But once through the slight initial elasticity in the throttle pedal the engine pulls strongly and makes a terrific racket doing it.

This is the best steering I've experienced thus far on a GT too. OK, it doesn't have the meaningful weight of the SLS from where much of the hardware comes, including the front suspension. And the variable rack is still a bit light in its initial movement. But it's still hydraulically assisted and, as the loads increase and you have a bit of lock on, there's actually a whisper of - yes! - feedback about grip levels. This builds trust in the front axle, which turns in assertively and holds its line tenaciously. There's plenty of weight in the car but thanks to the rear-mounted transaxle gearbox it's well contained within the axles and the natural balance is massively confidence inspiring.


Balanced argument
And so I find myself getting on the power earlier and earlier in the corner, happy it's not going to push on. I've set the Individual mode to include Sport ESP, which permits enough slip to feel the mechanical diff start locking up and playing its part in pushing the car into the turn. Rare for a turbo engine the pedal response is sharp enough to let you modulate this as required, holding it on the cusp of oversteer before opening the throttle as the steering releases and enjoying phenomenal traction out of the turns. And this on a road glistening with fresh snow melt.

OK, it doesn't track the turns quite as tightly as the equivalently priced 911 Turbo Cabriolet might in similar conditions. But the grip, balance and traction mean it doesn't need all-wheel drive like the F-Type SVR. With all the driver modes and configurability this is not a simple car. But in nailing the fundamentals like weight distribution, damping and steering response the GT has a pleasingly old-fashioned way of going fast, with just enough feedback to make you feel involved. This is a much more mature AMG experience than you got in the occasionally uncouth SLS. But technical progress hasn't come at the expense of charisma or fun.

Which is why I keep asking myself, just how much more can the GT C offer?


Do you want more?
Well you certainly get plenty of toys for your additional £29,300. That engorged bodywork contains both the rear-wheel steering mechanism and 20-inch rear wheels over the 19s all round of the GT, now 305-section over the 295s of the less powerful car and with an extra 44mm of track. Power to them is distributed by a fully active locking differential as per the GT S coupe, the standard Ride Control adaptive dampers further stiffened and running more aggressive spring rates on 'my' car as part of the £1,795 Dynamic Plus package. This also adds dynamic mounts for the engine and gearbox, the test car also getting the £5,995 ceramic brakes. An additional Race mode on the AMG Drive Unit and revised gearing with a lower final drive are also among the changes. By the time you're done that price difference is looking closer to £50K - a premium that's going to take some justification given how impressive the GT is out of the box.

Accordingly it's a much more complicated car to get to grips with, at least initially. Those brakes feel grabby where the steel ones on the GT bite firmly but progressively. And the steering feels lighter throughout its movement, not loading up like the GT. That'll likely be a by-product of the rear-axle steering but the way the GT C turns in and tracks through a corner is slightly less conventional and instinctive than the more straightforward GT.

The chassis is a lot fiercer too. You pay an extra £1,495 for the three-stage Ride Control dampers on the base car but they're usable in all modes and offer a decent spread from comfort to composure. Even in the Sport Plus mode the body remains commendably wobble free, with only the very occasional and slight tremble through the steering column over really rough surfaces. The GT C is different, chuntering at low speed like the coupe (or, at least, the passively damped GT I last drove) and feeling a lot more brittle. The different rear axle, wider rear tyres, bigger rear wheels and stiffer Dynamic Plus suspension will all play a part but those dynamic engine mounts will also contribute to the increased NVH, at least with the AMG Drive Select in its more aggressive modes. Over poor surfaces it's enough to have bits of trim rattling and with the roof up the increased tyre noise is intrusive enough to be annoying - put it this way, the 'C' in GT C definitely doesn't stand for comfort, at least in this full bells and whistles spec.

By golly it does feel a lot, lot faster though.


Too much of a good thing
If 476hp is just enough then 557hp is, thrillingly, just a little too much. In a very good way. There's a ferocity of response the regular GT just can't match, the distances between the corners suddenly shrinking and making the increased stopping power of those ceramics rather more welcome. Although based on the same hardware, the more powerful engine is tuned quite differently, running lower compression in exchange for more boost, extending the ceiling for its peak power delivery by another 500rpm and giving you more over a wider powerband. It also sounds different, with a much more turbocharged exhaust note that smothers the individual pulses and detonations you get in the regular car. In the cool air the turbos hiss and coo as you come on and off the throttle too. So much for AMG's original intent with this engine for hiding the forced induction...

You benefit from the increased scope of that active diff too. As experienced in other AMGs this is less about the traditional sideways thrills and more about traction and corner exit speed. Indeed, you can feel the torque bleeding across the rear axle as it's sent to where it can be most effectively deployed, meaning less tendency to oversteer and more traction. The GT C is, as you'd hope, a much, much more serious car.


Is it a better AMG GT though? After a full day (and the rest) of driving I remain uncertain. Depending on the options you choose there is the scope there to build a very, very aggressive sports car out of one that in standard form more comfortably lives up to the GT badge. When it comes - not confirmed officially but seemingly inevitable - a GT S Roadster with the 522hp engine from the equivalent Coupe version might well be the sweet spot. But let's be clear, there are no duffers - choose your priorities and budget accordingly.

Perhaps more importantly, does a 476hp GT Roadster make sense from a manufacturer that'll also sell you a folding hardtop SL63 with a 5.5-litre twin-turbo V8, 585hp and a load more torque for just five grand more? On paper perhaps not. But fast SLs remain just that, even when they are VERY fast SLs. And with this expanded, refined and much-improved GT line-up Mercedes-AMG has a product that can go toe-to-toe dynamically with anything Porsche, Audi, Aston Martin or anyone else in the £100-150K bracket can offer. Not something the SL has ever been able to do.

If you're detecting a level of enthusiasm in the response to driving both these GT Roadster variants you'd be bang on. This is arguably the moment the AMG GT starts making real sense and stakes a genuine claim on a fiercely contested sector. Mean and roofless plays well for AMG it'd seem.

Watch the video here

 


MERCEDES-AMG GT ROADSTER
Engine
: 3,982cc, turbocharged V8
Transmission: 7-speed dual-clutch automatic, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 476@6,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 464@1,900rpm
0-62mph: 4.0sec
Top speed: 188mph
Weight: 1,670kg (EU with driver)
MPG: 30.1
CO2: 219g/km
Price: £110,145

MERCEDES-AMG GT C ROADSTER
Engine
: 3,982cc, turbocharged V8
Transmission: 7-speed dual-clutch automatic, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 557@5,750rpm
Torque (lb ft): 501@1,900rpm
0-62mph: 3.7sec
Top speed: 196mph
Weight: 1,735kg (EU with driver)
MPG: 30.1
CO2: 259g/km
Price: £139,445

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Discussion

silver surfer

Original Poster:

470 posts

141 months

Wednesday 29th March 2017
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That GTc sound and looks fantastic ....Base model for me too

SS

405dogvan

5,264 posts

198 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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I'm a big fan of the AMG GT, they look FAB on the road, really low, REALLY mean and they sound immense.

As a coupe or roadster they take a massive dump on the Mercedes 'equivalents' - the current SL is massively meh and must be losing sales to this thing?

Add the fact they're relatively rare and what's not to like (other than the slightly confusing model line-up?)

Plug Life

846 posts

24 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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Where's the EV version? The SLS had one.

SirSquidalot

2,964 posts

98 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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Very good looking car!

sidesauce

758 posts

151 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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405dogvan said:
I'm a big fan of the AMG GT, they look FAB on the road, really low, REALLY mean and they sound immense.

As a coupe or roadster they take a massive dump on the Mercedes 'equivalents' - the current SL is massively meh and must be losing sales to this thing?

Add the fact they're relatively rare and what's not to like (other than the slightly confusing model line-up?)
Not everyone wants a mean, loud car. Interestingly the space to enter the car on a GT is noticeably smaller than on a SL - shorter doors and a lower roofline are the culprits.

I've owned an SL, a friend of mine currently has a GTS and I absolutely can see why it makes sense for Mercedes to have both models. The traditionally older demographic that the SL appeals to would find the GT's interior a little cramped/claustrophobic and uncomfortable and many will also prefer the more laid back (some might say refined and effortless) power delivery of say an SL500 over the more raucous and obviously sporting GT too.
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Twoshoe

407 posts

117 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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I think if I was buying one of these I'd be a bit surprised that you can't get the 600+ bhp version of the engine that you can get in the E63.

Does look great though.

Edited by Twoshoe on Thursday 30th March 10:40

Dan Trent

1,815 posts

101 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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Twoshoe said:
I think if I was buying one of these I'd be a bit surprised that you can't get the 600+ bhp version of the engine that you can get in the E63.

Does look great though.
I'd never say never on this but the E63 engine has some significant changes to it, including twinscroll turbos. Worth bearing in mind the E63 is around 300kg heavier than a GT too, probably more if you're comparing the coupe. So the GT C with 557hp won't be short-changed, let alone the GT R with 585hp.

My guess is they're tuning them for different characteristics too. The E63 is geared up for more low-down torque while the GT C here has been calibrated to have a wider power band and (as mentioned in the vid) raises the revs at which you get peak power by 500rpm over the engine in the GT. So they feel quite different. I remember talking to the engine designer on the GT launch and he basically said there is so much adjustability in the hardware they can basically calibrate it to do whatever they want, be that low-end torque monster or high-rev screamer. So although you see the same 4.0-litre hot-V engine on the spec sheet they'll be tuning it specifically to each model.

And I've tried to keep up with a GT S in an E63 S on track and in a straight line the GT wasn't exactly left wanting. OK, so it was being driven by Bernd Schneider and all. But even with 'just' 510hp it was having no trouble gapping the E.

Cheers,

Dan

kambites

54,922 posts

154 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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I guess it's also possible that the E-class has extra intercooling which there simply isn't space for with the lower bonnet-line of this.

Motormatt

186 posts

151 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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The list of cars where I'd take the drop top over the fixed top is very short. The GT C is now at the top of it. cloud9

MrGeoff

286 posts

105 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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What a great looking car, they got this one just right.

epom

5,807 posts

94 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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Good God, that is a fab looking car smile

GranCab

1,194 posts

79 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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GTC or California T ... decisions decisions ...

thegraveltrap

80 posts

32 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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That is some motor to look at!

TaylotS2K

1,247 posts

140 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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Looks fantastic in that gunmetal colour. Shame about the red roof.

rog007

4,777 posts

157 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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SirSquidalot said:
Very good looking car!
Very ugly car!

Interestingly to me at least; I've never lusted after a Merc like I have other marques. Just doesn't do it for me.

nickwilcock

1,367 posts

180 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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That is one HIDEOUS looking car from the front. Overstyled with an ugly grille and more tucks, tweaks and creases than an ageing Hollywood starlet!


Numeric

446 posts

84 months

Friday 31st March 2017
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The 1957 Mercedes 300SL convertible always looked to my eyes to have the same issue of an over styled front end over the simple beauty of the gullwing.

But I'd be utterly delighted to own either the old or the new!!!