RE: Subaru BRZ: You Know You Want To

RE: Subaru BRZ: You Know You Want To

Thursday 13th April 2017

Subaru BRZ: You Know You Want To

What to do if 200hp isn't enough? Pick up a used modified car!



Even in standard form, the Toyota GT86 and Subaru BRZ twins have many fans on PH amongst both staff and readers. They're light, they're agile, they have great manual gearboxes and, more than anything else, they're really good fun.

Alright, well we can get rid of these pronto
Alright, well we can get rid of these pronto
But what if you want more fun? Like many other Japanese performance cars, a huge aftermarket tuning scene has opened up around the cars - from Cosworth tuning packages to 458 engine swaps, there are modifications to suit every taste. And, truth be told, a modified '86 or BRZ is the one that I would have; Dan may be entirely content with a standard one, but there's so much tuning potential and opportunities that I would have to tinker. I consider them like a Nissan GT-R or a Mazda RX-7, where the cars are great as standard but so responsive to tuning - see the Litchfield LM20 - that it almost seems rude not to. Until you get a few years down the line and everyone wants a standard car for their collection...

Here's the BRZ I want, one that seems to realise the latent potential in the car without going over the top. It's blue with gold wheels, which is always a great start for a fast Subaru. Or are they bronze? Whatever, the wheels - which appear to be from Team Dynamics - definitely look better than standard. Fingers crossed the Michelin tyres here are something like a Super Sport and not the normal Primacys!

Note as well the bigger discs and AP Racing calipers, plus what would seem to be a lower ride height. The advert mentions Litchfield involvement with the build, who use Eibach springs and adjustable anti-roll bars in their suspension kits - let's hope one of those is fitted here.

Want more power? You got it!
Want more power? You got it!
And why have the chassis mods been required? Because this is a supercharged BRZ, much like the Cosworth car that was our most read road test of 2015. Here the work has been undertaken by Abbey Motorsport with an HKS supercharger, the engine also stroked to 2.1-litres (which should help torque) and said to produce around 280hp. The same as the Cosworth actually, and what sounds like just the right amount of power for the BRZ. This should take it from a car that's fast enough to a genuinely fast car, in theory without losing the rev-happy nature that makes the standard car so entertaining.

This car has been on sale for a little while now - other people keep a regular check on BRZ and GT86 prices, don't they? - the car now feature worthy as it's been reduced to less than £20K (it was £21,995 a little while back). Given there are standard, automatic GT86s with four times this car's mileage for sale at £13K, that makes this car look even better value. Of course the money put into modifications won't be recouped come sale time, but the work here looks to be worthwhile for a lot of enthusiasts rather than just indulging a personal preference. And it's said to be the first BRZ ever registered in the UK.

There will be some who will be wary of modifications they haven't carried out, but the suppliers here are reputable and it's hardly like the car has been turned into some 500hp track day weapon. Arguably it's exactly what we would want from a BRZ STI in terms of look and performance, except it's here and ready to buy right now for £19,995. I'm about £19,900 short, but if you do have the funds then it's hard to think of much better.


SUBARU BRZ
Price
: £19,995
Why you should: Could be the BRZ of your dreams
Why you shouldn't: Might be fun to build your own instead?

See the original advert here.

 

 

 

 

[Source: Speedhunters]

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ISO51200

Original Poster:

1,270 posts

194 months

Thursday 13th April 2017
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What on earth is that blue bottle thing under the bonnet?

j_s14a

863 posts

178 months

Thursday 13th April 2017
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ISO51200 said:
What on earth is that blue bottle thing under the bonnet?
Looks to be some sort of anti surge for the oil system.

sandman77

2,409 posts

138 months

Thursday 13th April 2017
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"Of course the money put into modifications won't be recouped come sale time....."

If that's the case it should be £5k cheaper.


great_kahn

83 posts

86 months

Thursday 13th April 2017
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Wouldn't touch it with yours.

samoht

5,712 posts

146 months

Thursday 13th April 2017
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[quote]the wheels - which appear to be from Team Dynamics - definitely look better than standard
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Team Dynamics look to be 12-spokes, the ones in the ad are 10-spokes.

I think they are the very lovely and JDM-appropriate Volk CE28N forged wheels - yum! As well as being worth about 10% of the asking price by themselves, they suggest an encouragingly open-wallet approach to the other modifications the car has had.

Car looks great to me, in the best colour with nice wheels and no intrusive bodykit, low mileage. Definitely the sort of thing I could imagine replacing my RX-7 with :-)

kambites

67,556 posts

221 months

Thursday 13th April 2017
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Looks nice, but I'm not convinced it's worth £20k.

Klippie

3,138 posts

145 months

Thursday 13th April 2017
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I keep looking at the GT86 and BRZ and try to justify buying one to myself but something is stopping me.

The facelift BRZ is a lovely thing.


Matt Bird

1,450 posts

205 months

PH Reportery Lad

Thursday 13th April 2017
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samoht said:
Team Dynamics look to be 12-spokes, the ones in the ad are 10-spokes.

I think they are the very lovely and JDM-appropriate Volk CE28N forged wheels - yum! As well as being worth about 10% of the asking price by themselves, they suggest an encouragingly open-wallet approach to the other modifications the car has had.

Car looks great to me, in the best colour with nice wheels and no intrusive bodykit, low mileage. Definitely the sort of thing I could imagine replacing my RX-7 with :-)
Thanks for clearing that up, I like them whatever they are!

TwigtheWonderkid

43,351 posts

150 months

Thursday 13th April 2017
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I thought the whole point of the GT86/BRZ was a kind of "less is more" vibe. Skinny tyres allied to moderate and easily controllable power = fun.

Modding them seems to fly in the face of their raison d'etre.

P-Jay

10,564 posts

191 months

Thursday 13th April 2017
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I haven't looked too closely, but I've read about supercharged versions, engines swaps from other brands etc, but given it's a Subaru flat 4, wouldn't dropping in a turbo engine from an Impreza be an easy way to have pretty much whatever power output you fancy?

kambites

67,556 posts

221 months

Thursday 13th April 2017
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P-Jay said:
I haven't looked too closely, but I've read about supercharged versions, engines swaps from other brands etc, but given it's a Subaru flat 4, wouldn't dropping in a turbo engine from an Impreza be an easy way to have pretty much whatever power output you fancy?
I'm pretty sure you couldn't top-mount the intercooler under the BRZ's relatively low bonnet , so it wouldn't be quite as simple as dropping in the entire unit including all ancillaries.

P-Jay

10,564 posts

191 months

Thursday 13th April 2017
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
I thought the whole point of the GT86/BRZ was a kind of "less is more" vibe. Skinny tyres allied to moderate and easily controllable power = fun.

Modding them seems to fly in the face of their raison d'etre.
Agreed.

I know some people get all upset by the idea of 'useable exploitable power' because it's frankly crap in a game of Top Trumps and that makes them sad, some posters even like to make very loud comments about “nobody buying them” which is odd, because they sell quite well.

The way I see it, if you wanted a louder, faster, gripper Japanese coupe you could buy a 350z or 370z for years, they pretty much represent what most anti-GT/BRZ posters want – “300bhp+, more grip” ironically that was the car they really struggled to sell.

TwigtheWonderkid

43,351 posts

150 months

Thursday 13th April 2017
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P-Jay said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I thought the whole point of the GT86/BRZ was a kind of "less is more" vibe. Skinny tyres allied to moderate and easily controllable power = fun.

Modding them seems to fly in the face of their raison d'etre.
Agreed.

I know some people get all upset by the idea of 'useable exploitable power' because it's frankly crap in a game of Top Trumps and that makes them sad, some posters even like to make very loud comments about “nobody buying them” which is odd, because they sell quite well.

The way I see it, if you wanted a louder, faster, gripper Japanese coupe you could buy a 350z or 370z for years, they pretty much represent what most anti-GT/BRZ posters want – “300bhp+, more grip” ironically that was the car they really struggled to sell.
Exactly. I also think it's odd when people moan about the MX-5 needing more power. You might as well moan that it needs more seats!

It was never about power. That isn't the point of an MX-5.

Imagine someone coming on and saying "I love the look of the Lambo Aventador, but I wish they did a frugal diesel version."



MiggyA

193 posts

100 months

Thursday 13th April 2017
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Why do tuning companies always go for centrifugal superchargers rather than a roots? Seems to me what people usually think is lacking on a BRZ is midrange torque, which a centrifugal isn't so great for..

sandys

207 posts

246 months

Thursday 13th April 2017
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Exactly. I also think it's odd when people moan about the MX-5 needing more power. You might as well moan that it needs more seats!

It was never about power. That isn't the point of an MX-5.

Imagine someone coming on and saying "I love the look of the Lambo Aventador, but I wish they did a frugal diesel version."
Don't agree, having had my Mx5 for over 2 years now, it needs more power, I was surprised by its pace and ability when I bought it as the internet tells you it is slow but now past that I want more, I am at about 190bhp, the car can handle much more and would be more fun because of it.

A GT86 with 300bhp and more grip sounds awesome.

I could buy a faster car but I like the car I am driving so can totally understand adding boost, would much prefer something factory though.

I have been to look at the 370z quite a few times, nice car, drives well but is not without its flaws, ownership costs, too high seating, less configurable chassis, even less adjustment in the steering wheel than the 5... I'd have to invest much dough to make it right for me, and actually whilst it feels pretty sorted it could probably do with a bit more power to offset its weight. (it never ends biggrin )





Edited by sandys on Thursday 13th April 15:51

TwigtheWonderkid

43,351 posts

150 months

Thursday 13th April 2017
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sandys said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Exactly. I also think it's odd when people moan about the MX-5 needing more power. You might as well moan that it needs more seats!

It was never about power. That isn't the point of an MX-5.

Imagine someone coming on and saying "I love the look of the Lambo Aventador, but I wish they did a frugal diesel version."
Don't agree, having had my Mx5 for over 2 years now, it needs more power, I was surprised by its pace and ability when I bought it as the internet tells you it is slow but now past that I want more, I am at about 190bhp, the car can handle much more and would be more fun because of it.
Just buy a different car. S2000? MX-5s don't need more power. You may want more power, that's not the same thing. Plenty of fun to be had in a stock MX-5, even an old 1.6.

sandys

207 posts

246 months

Thursday 13th April 2017
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Just buy a different car. S2000? MX-5s don't need more power. You may want more power, that's not the same thing. Plenty of fun to be had in a stock MX-5, even an old 1.6.
Doesn't need it for you fine, but the fact I want it and there is a large aftermarket tuning scene would suggest that there is a demand, and therefore a need.

Not a lot of options in other cars that are small, light and powerful, don't really think an s2000 offers that much more, well that's certainly my experience on hills, sprints and track against them, if I had one of those would I would likely suggest it needs a charger too winkbiggrin

caelite

4,274 posts

112 months

Thursday 13th April 2017
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
I thought the whole point of the GT86/BRZ was a kind of "less is more" vibe. Skinny tyres allied to moderate and easily controllable power = fun.

Modding them seems to fly in the face of their raison d'etre.
To the contrary I would say they are the perfect base to build your own project out of. Well designed chassis with a detuned engine with a lot of potential, I would say that they are similar to the MX5 in which it seems the manufacturer intends for end owners to make there own personal sports cars out of their capable base.

alexrogers92

71 posts

94 months

Thursday 13th April 2017
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Nice to see some modified metal making it to the front page. This thing looks like great fun to drive and as someone said above - what looks to be a set of VOLK CE28N alloys. I think it looks great too!

gigglebug

2,611 posts

122 months

Thursday 13th April 2017
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A really don't get what some folks are moaning about and are completely struggling to understand why anyone would feel as if they are in the position to tell a stranger what they should and shouldn't be able to do with their own possession. A bog standard Elise was always and still is a very good car and one in which I personally and many others have had plenty of fun in and will continue to do so. It didn't stop Lotus developing a more powerful version with better grip though and calling it the Exige did it? That's a damn good car as well as it happens, even better in many respects, and I don't see anyone moaning about them being against the original raison d'etre of the product. I've even liked the Honda powered versions I've experienced in the past which have been both extremely well executed and proved to be massive fun. No-one moaned or belittled the fact that they didn't have the original engine in fact they were eager to learn more. People do this type thing, even manufacturers themselves do it too. Are you saying that they are all wrong??