RE: Triumph back in Moto GP!

RE: Triumph back in Moto GP!

Wednesday 7th June 2017

Triumph back in Moto GP!

Brit firm confirmed as the new Moto2 engine supplier



It has been something of an open secret in the MotoGP paddock for the last few months, but this weekend Triumph was confirmed as the new engine supplier for the Moto2 World Championship. Taking over from Honda, whose CBR600RR engine has been powering the bikes since the series' inception in 2010, Triumph's triple will be the new one-make motor from 2019 for at least three years. The move marks not only a change of engine supplier, but also configuration and capacity.


Where the Honda was a 599cc inline four, Triumph's motor will be a 765cc triple - a modified version of the engine currently used in the Street Triple road bike. Although Triumph isn't quoting any power or torque figures, the firm did confirm it has already been testing a Triumph-powered Moto2 bike and the race motor itself has been in development for over a year. Does that mean we may see a Moto2 replica Triumph road bike in the future? Sadly this doesn't look very likely; Honda pulled out of the contract because supersport sales are flat and it no longer saw the need to make the CBR600RR. However on the plus side, one thing is certain: a Triumph will win the 2019 Moto2 World Championship!


TT spoiler alert!
In other two-wheeled news, the 2017 TT eventually got underway on Sunday after a torrid week of practice that was ruined by poor weather. A cracking Superbike race saw Ian Hutchinson on his BMW S1000RR take the win from Peter Hickman, who was also on a BMW, with Dean Harrison finishing off the podium in third spot on his Kawasaki ZX-10R. Impressively, Michael Dunlop managed a 131.135mph opening lap from a standing start on his Suzuki GSX-R1000 before it stopped working while he was leading the race on lap two. If his team manage to sort the gremlins out, it promises to make the Senior and Superstock races even more exciting!

Guy Martin's TT comeback ended with a big crash after the bike 'had a box full of false neutrals and no engine braking' and saw him crash at well over 120mph, which is another disaster for Honda on their new Fireblade. After the delays, Michael Dunlop took the Supersport win from James Hillier and Peter Hickman. There are another three races today with Superstock at 10:45, Lightweight at 13:45 and TT Zero at 16:25. Tune into Manx radio for live coverage of the event.

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ZX10R NIN

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27,495 posts

124 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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Triumph may not be making a Moto2 rep but Spirit are & it's the same engine that's going to be used in the Moto2.

https://youtu.be/nUeHjrdro20

sprinter1050

11,550 posts

226 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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180 horses !
Ee by gum that be a lot.
Shame the engine for the Moto2 category for 2019 is said to be 130 of the same.
Not bad from 765cc

Any more would be challenging some of the lesser MotoGP bikes maybe, though most seem to be 200+

gareth_r

5,712 posts

236 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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"OfficialTriumph" announced this on YouTube last Saturday. smile

dc2rr07

1,238 posts

230 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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So not in MotoGP but Moto2, bit of a misleading headline rolleyes

joema

2,644 posts

178 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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sprinter1050 said:
180 horses !
Ee by gum that be a lot.
Shame the engine for the Moto2 category for 2019 is said to be 130 of the same.
Not bad from 765cc

Any more would be challenging some of the lesser MotoGP bikes maybe, though most seem to be 200+
Most are well above and apparently the duc is pushing 300bhp!

I'd definitely like to see some sort of road going rep.

George29

14,706 posts

163 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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sprinter1050 said:
180 horses !
Ee by gum that be a lot.
Shame the engine for the Moto2 category for 2019 is said to be 130 of the same.
Not bad from 765cc

Any more would be challenging some of the lesser MotoGP bikes maybe, though most seem to be 200+
There's absolutely no chance that it makes 180bhp. Supersported 675s rarely make over 140bhp and if they do, they don't make it for very long.

All of the MotoGP bikes are 240+

gareth_r

5,712 posts

236 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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George29 said:
There's absolutely no chance that it makes 180bhp. Supersported 675s rarely make over 140bhp and if they do, they don't make it for very long...
Depends on what they do to the internals, surely? 140bhp from 675cc = c.160 from 765, and they won't be constrained by Supersport rules.

180bhp from 765cc would be 235bhp/litre, which is similar to a Superbike's specific output, and a long way off a GP bike.

George29

14,706 posts

163 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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gareth_r said:
Depends on what they do to the internals, surely? 140bhp from 675cc = c.160 from 765, and they won't be constrained by Supersport rules.

180bhp from 765cc would be 235bhp/litre, which is similar to a Superbike's specific output, and a long way off a GP bike.
No, still will be no where near 180bhp.

I'd estimate the Moto2 spec engine to be around 140-145bhp. They aren't going to want to have it tuned to the point where reliability suffers.

ZX10R NIN

Original Poster:

27,495 posts

124 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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Yes but that Spirit bike hasn't got to do a whole season of Moto2 & won't be pushed anywhere near as hard so 180bhp is very likely in the context of a track bike plus if you're advertising a 180bhp machine then you'd expect a minimum of 175bhp.

George29

14,706 posts

163 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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ZX10R NIN said:
Yes but that Spirit bike hasn't got to do a whole season of Moto2 & won't be pushed anywhere near as hard so 180bhp is very likely in the context of a track bike plus if you're advertising a 180bhp machine then you'd expect a minimum of 175bhp.
That Sprint bike looks utterly st up close, and there is no way in hell they will even be pushing 140bhp in that bike. The Sprint engine is a stroked 675 engine.

The 765 engine is different and based on the new Street Triple engine

BVB

1,097 posts

152 months

Thursday 8th June 2017
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Good news, let's hope they don't balls it up.

leighz

407 posts

131 months

Thursday 8th June 2017
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surely not long now until they knock out a 765 Daytona......which would be all kinds of ace