RE: Audi RS5: Review

Sunday 9th July 2017

2017 Audi RS5 | UK Review

650 UK miles in the latest RS Audi - is it any good?



Here we are, then: another fast car that sacrifices its glorious, high revving V8 for a downsized turbo, all in the name of progress. And while some transformations have been more successful than others, there can be no escaping the fact that the 4.2-litre V8 in the previous RS5 was a big part of the appeal. Because, let's face it, the rest of the car wasn't quite good enough to beat the old M3 and C63. That marvellous old V8, screaming its heart out to 8,500rpm, always meant the Audi coupe had a charm about it though.

Now that's gone for this generation, 4.2-litres replaced by 2.9, with eight cylinders substituted for six and a pair of turbos. Furthermore, while both BMW M and Mercedes-AMG have been forced down the same path, their respective products present Audi Sport with a formidable challenge. Don't forget about that Alfa too, more than relevant here with the same capacity and layout. Is the new RS5 good enough?


Green machine

Being a contemporary Audi product, first impressions are unsurprisingly upbeat. Sonoma Green proves extremely popular during our time with the car, the comments and response almost universally positive. On optional 20s and with the black pack, the RS5 is low, menacing and striking - albeit in an occasionally fussy way. The interior - excluding a seat that could go a fraction lower and a pointless flat-bottomed wheel - is beyond reproach.

Ride Comfort & Handling

Trouble is, seemingly another part of being a contemporary Audi product is that the initial dynamic impressions aren't all that great. The first minor imperfection will have you convinced that the drive select has been left in one of its more aggressive settings, only to discover it's set to Comfort. The ride really is brutal, punishing at points and with little need to use the Dynamic mode beyond confirming just how uncomfortable it is.

Weirdly there's an element of float to the ride too, the body not regaining control as quickly as you would hope given the resolute stiffness. It's worth noting that our car was fitted with the optional (and latest generation) Dynamic Ride Control, plus 20-inch wheels (19s are standard), so there would appear to be room for improvement. The smaller wheels and ceramic brakes would reduce unsprung mass, while you would have to hope the standard RS Sport set up is a little more forgiving. Certainly, on this experience, those expensive suspension and wheel options are best left unticked.

Moreover, while improved from some previous installations, the RS5's steering is over assisted and lifeless. Quelle surprise, or whatever the German equivalent is. That being said, neither the M4 nor the C63 steer as well as they should, so perhaps that's a moot point.


Performance

Fortunately, there is some good news for the RS5 as well. Like the large Audi V8s, the turbos for this V6 are inside the cylinder vee, improving response time. And, with the caveat of not having driven either for a little while, the RS5 could be the most eager from low revs of all three German super coupes. It picks up from way below 2,000rpm with real vigour and possesses a much more aggressive, willing character than the related S4 and S5 3.0-litre engine. The V6 sounds good (with an optional sports exhaust), pulls well throughout the rev range and is pretty eager to reach its 7,200rpm redline.

The eight-speed auto deserves credit here too, delivering both flawless cruising ability and really rapid shifts when required. The lower gears are pleasingly short, the mapping in the automatic modes good and the manual mode exactly that - right up to hitting the rev limiter. Bravo.

How does it compare to its rivals?

The problem? The problem is that the C63 and M4 just do things that little bit better. The RS5 may respond sooner but the others punch harder - or so it feels - the M4 thanks to its c. 100kg weight advantage and the AMG through its additional V8 wallop. The BMW revs out harder, the Mercedes sounds better and both have gearboxes that can stand comparison with the Audi. It's a 'just about' in the Mercedes' case, but still.

Small details let down your interaction with the RS5's powertrain too. The shift paddles are the same plasticky items as you'll find in a Golf, and the chunky gear selector is never something you would choose to shift gears with. Its manual mode is the 'wrong' way around too, pulling the lever towards you for down and pushing away for up. Small details, but irksome if you care.


Engine

The new engine brings a dynamic advantage though, saving 30kg of the 60kg total lost from the old car. This means that contrary surely to some expectations, the RS5 has a real tenacity on turn in and reluctance to understeer. The standard sport differential means the car is neutral under power too, with just a hint of oversteer on occasion. It feels balanced, poised and capable down a twisty road, with a sufficient level of dynamism to keep things interesting. More fun than an M4 or a C63? No. More fun than you were probably expecting? Yes.

But then the RS5 is pitched by Audi as the 'gran turismo' of the RS range, presumably making cars like the TT RS - if you can get one - the sportier option. And on a wider, faster, better surfaced road, the RS5 is a dream: quiet, refined, and able to return more than 35mpg. Lovely. Though if that's your concern, wouldn't you be better served by an S5? Or a diesel perhaps?

Final thoughts

Talented though the RS5 most certainly is, on this experience, it seems to lack the edge required to mark out an RS product. Partly that will be due to the engine, though of course a 440i and an M4 both have 3.0-litre straight sixes - there's no danger of getting those cars muddled up. More broadly it feels at the moment like an enhancement of the S4 and S5's abilities, rather than a transformative overhaul to create a fantastic and rewarding driver's car. This has been done before - think of how different the B7 RS4 and S4 were, both with V8 engines - so it seems a shame that this RS5 isn't quite so captivating despite some commonalities with cars lower down the range. Let's hope the upcoming RS4 can deliver a tad more Audi Sport magic, to truly realise the potential latent in this car.

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AUDI RS5 - SPECIFICATIONS
Engine
: 2,894cc, V6 biturbo
Transmission: eight-speed tiptronic, Quattro permanent all-wheel drive
Power (hp): 450@5,700 - 6,700rpm
Torque (lb ft): 443@1,900 - 5,000rpm
0-62mph: 3.9sec
Top speed: 155mph (optional 174mph)
Weight: 1,730kg (including 75kg driver)
MPG: 32.5 (NEDC combined)
CO2: 197g/km
Price: £80,740 (Base price £61,015 plus £645 for Sonoma green paint, £3,500 for front Super Sport seats in exclusive black fine Nappa leather honeycomb quilted design with contrast Sonoma green stitching, £900 for head-up display, £550 for black styling package, £250 for pre sense rear, £1,250 for Driver Assitance pack, £2,000 for 20" x 9.0J '5-arm trapezoid' design forged alloy wheels in Anthracite black diamond cut finish, £200 for Electrically adjustable front seats with memory function for the driver's side, £850 for RS Matrix LED headlights with LED rear lights and dynamic front and rear indicators, £175 for storage pack, £100 for extended LED interior package, £375 for privacy glass on rear and side windows, £1,200 for RS sport exhaust, £2,000 for RS sport suspension with Dynamic Ride Control, £350 for Aluminium race, anthracite inlays, £125 for Door mirrors (folding with auto-dimming and memory function), £1,450 for speed restriction increased to 174mph, £250 for tyre pressure monitoring display, £50 for smoking pack, £325 for Audi phone box with wireless charging, £1,295 for Comfort and Sound Package and £1,885 for delivery, registration and road fund license fees)

 

 

 

 

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Discussion

ZX10R NIN

Original Poster:

27,603 posts

125 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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I'm not a fan of the look of these having seen a few in the flesh it somehow doesn't work, not as bad as the C Coupe but it doesn't work for me.

Dafuq

371 posts

170 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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Bit underwhelming that.

There was a time when the RS badge stood for pure bonkerness.

This doesn't even have the 'appearance' theatre, could be any area manager/rep mobile in profile.

Shame.

British Beef

2,213 posts

165 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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Looks like the old one, a little faster, a little lighter bla bla bla

You have to be a seriously uninspired human to flush £80 large on one of these.

The Alfa Guilia looks a better prospect on all fronts IMO, if it proves reliable!! (Very small IF)

Burwood

18,709 posts

246 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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Dafuq said:
Bit underwhelming that.

There was a time when the RS badge stood for pure bonkerness.

This doesn't even have the 'appearance' theatre, could be any area manager/rep mobile in profile.

Shame.
Agreed. Not just that but it is clear from the review it isn't even as good as the F80 M3 which is 3.5 years old. It should have had close to 500hp. The 3.9 62mph is only achieved by short gearing and AWD. I expect the M3 to muller it at speeds above that. Options price list is suitably ridiculous too. 80k. This thing will depreciate like a stone

TomScrut

2,546 posts

88 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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The ride can be ropey at times in my S5 on 19"s so no wonder its bad on bigger wheels! I don't have the adaptive suspension though.

Until I see one in the metal I won't pass judgement on the appearance, initial thoughts were not aggressive enough in the arches yet they are bigger as they have them silly plastic things on the ends of the lights. But things can look naff in photos and then good in real life. I think my S5 looks a lot better IRL than what I thought it would (I don't have it for its looks though) so the same will probably apply here in my opinion.

TomScrut

2,546 posts

88 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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Burwood said:
Agreed. Not just that but it is clear from the review it isn't even as good as the F80 M3 which is 3.5 years old. It should have had close to 500hp. The 3.9 62mph is only achieved by short gearing and AWD. I expect the M3 to muller it at speeds above that. Options price list is suitably ridiculous too. 80k. This thing will depreciate like a stone
They'll do a "performance" version in 6 months time to "mildly irritate" early adopters!

SuperHans.

64 posts

82 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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Firstly, that article could've been written without driving it. It's exactly as expected.

Secondly, eighty thousand pounds...


SirSquidalot

4,042 posts

165 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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Bad steering and a bad ride. Why cant Audi get this right?

Rawwr

22,722 posts

234 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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Nice colour, though.

TomScrut

2,546 posts

88 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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Aes87 said:
Audi has lost its way with the look of their cars. I saw an old S5 the other day and it looks better than the new one, and by quite some margin. I'm astonished that people will actually go out and pay in excess of 80k for this, but I suspect many will turn around and buy a beemer instead. This will be a good thing, as there will be fewer of these god-awful Audis to have to look at.
I think its better looking than the BMW, just not as good looking as it should be. So basically what I'm saying is that its subjective.

2 GKC

1,896 posts

105 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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Interior beyond reproach. Initial dynamic impressions not that great. That'll be an Audi then. Roads will be flooded with them in no time.

Average Usually, Dapper Interior

Grantstown

969 posts

87 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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So in a nutshell, is it just not special enough at this price point?

When the first V8 RS4 came out it just seemed to hit the nail on the head, but now the V8 from the previous RS5 is considered too light on low end torque to impress those jockeying for positions a few meters ahead in the fast lane on a motorway commute. The new V6 turbo is better for the commute but falls short on character. It is difficult to judge in this sector.

Anyway, the new bonnet is so horrible that it shouldn't matter how the rest of the car goes, it's a no from me.

alexrogers92

71 posts

94 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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I love the 'nose down' side on stance and those huge arches. It's a looker in my opinion. It's also nice to hear about a reluctance to understeer from a performance Audi!

Whitean3

2,185 posts

198 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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This leaves me cold- and as another poster put it, the whole article probably could have been drafted without driving it- none of it is really a surprise. High quality interior, lots of toys, numb steering, autobox, downsized turbo engine. In Sorento green, it looks like a frog.

My current daily is a B7 RS4, and it is engaging and characterful enough- thanks to the manual gearbox and na V8. I want to like it, but I can't! I simply can't imagine another, more recent Audi that could replace the B7.

Clearly I'm an old fart as there's just too much tech these days- I love the toys but I also want a driving experience when the mood suits. Back to a 911 for me once my kids have grown a little bigger.

urquattroGus

1,847 posts

190 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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Stefan Winkleman - Pull your finger out!

How about making RS products exciting and special! Not Me too...

GTEYE

2,096 posts

210 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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I don't actually mind the look, but £80k would be better spent elsewhere (M4 CS....?)

The same basic look could be had on an S-Line for around £35k, and 99% of the population wouldn't be able to tell the difference...

bungz

1,960 posts

120 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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3.5K for front seats.

Ouch.


Grantstown

969 posts

87 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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There should probably be an article on the best sports cars available without having to spec more than 5K worth of options.

TomScrut

2,546 posts

88 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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People going on about the £80k price, there are around £18k worth of (mostly useless) options. Its a £62k car with some very expensive options ticked. If you are willing to spend £2k on them alloys I don't think the price tag should be of concern!

Interestingly the light and vision pack on the S5 is £750, and has the matrix headlights, the virtual cockpit and the customisable interior LEDs. Why is matrix on its own £850 on this? RS tax?

TNH

559 posts

147 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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Having seen a couple of A5's on the road now I'm really not keen on the looks.

Not really surprised about the dynamics, typical Audi product.