RE: Peugeot 308 GTI: Driven

RE: Peugeot 308 GTI: Driven

Saturday 8th July 2017

Peugeot 308 GTI: Driven

A new bumper and freshened up interior you say? To Ascari!



If you're thinking this looks quite a lot like the old Peugeot 308 GTI, then you're not wrong - to all intents and purposes this is ostensibly the same 308 GTI. OK, so the bumpers have been freshened up, the infotainment updated and the safety kit list bolstered, but the bits we care about have remained untouched.

By and large, this is a very good thing. This is probably the lightest C-segment hot hatch around at 1,280kg (with a driver and all fluids) plus, with the removal of the 250 model from the UK, the only 308 GTI you can now buy comes with 270hp, 380mm front discs and a standard Torsen limited-slip differential.


GTIt's me! Again...
So why drive it now, if so little has changed? Well, you don't pass up opportunities to drive at Ascari - particularly with the original test having taken place on an unfamiliar track - and the market has changed significantly since the 308 was first introduced. The VW Golf GTI has been refreshed, the Honda Civic Type R is new and the SEAT Leon Cupra is now 300hp strong, to name just three.

Even before you set off, there's no doubt that this remains a hot hatch more at the Golf end of the spectrum than the Civic. The seats are supportive but quite squishy, and the dash seemingly more focused on plushness (which it does very well) than performance. And yes, the tiny steering wheel remains.

Don't dismiss the 308 however, as this is a cracking hot hatch. No, seriously. It's easily more entertaining than a Golf GTI on circuit, and just a few tweaks away from being superb.


Lightweighting
The weight, or lack thereof, predictably makes itself noticeable immediately. Combined with really direct steering the 308 darts into every apex, eager and agile from the off. The car can keep up too, following the front end through precisely and giving you the confidence to try a bit more entry speed next time around...

It can take that too, the Michelin Pilot Super Sports offering up strong grip and the car's turn in balance pleasingly neutral. Obviously if you pile in too hot it will understeer, though the limits are admirably high. And that famed Peugeot hot hatch oversteer? Well the ESC never went beyond sport mode - probably best, given previous experience - but there's clearly scope to adjust the line just subtly with the brakes and the throttle. And, well, you can't be Scandinavian flicking on a track day, can you? Certainly though, it's more immersive than the rather plain exterior might lead you to believe.

The brakes, while a bit softer underfoot than you might like, are super strong and have great staying power, resisting fade incredibly well. The damping - without configurability, don't forget - feels great, supple enough to use kerbs yet with great control too. The gear ratios are stacked close together so, while the shift isn't the best around, it feels urgent and willing on track. Remember as well that this is making 270hp from just 1.6-litres, which remains some achievement. Never on track did it feel lacking, either out of the slower hairpins or pulling fourth and fifth gear through the quicker stuff.

Of course there are some downsides though. That engine, while good, doesn't feel as remarkable as it did a few years ago. While it didn't struggle, there's an impression the EA888 2.0-litre in the VW cars would be hauling more strongly from even fewer revs; in addition, a Civic Type R will not only be quicker, but it's a keener, revvier engine.


Difference of opinion
What a shame the Torsen limited-slip diff couldn't have been wound up just a bit tighter. It never gives you the confidence under power that the best front-wheel drive cars with them do, the line tightening modest and the front washing out a tad. Indeed while the Peugeot's front axle responds quicker than a VAQ-equipped car from VW, those cars actually can deliver better traction once hooked up. Strange. Certainly compared to a Civic the Peugeot's diff feels to be doing very little.

And the steering, that source of much consternation for so long now? On track it's not an issue, the quick rack meaning reduced arm twirling and the small wheel less frustrating because - let's be honest - you're probably concentrating on other things. At least the sense of agility implied by the wheel carries through to the handling. And yes, it would be nice to know a bit more about what the front tyres are doing, but can you remember a recent hot hatch with truly good steering?

So yes, while this is a test of a road car with no road driving in it, that's no bad thing. The 308 GTI is a far more capable and interesting track car than you might have expected and, while not as fresh as some of the opposition, is absolutely worthy of consideration in this sector. It's more fun than a Golf, more subtle than a Civic and, well, more available than a Megane - that should be a fascinating comparison when the five-door only Renault Sport arrives later this year. For now it continues to deliver an intriguing alternative to the rest, and comes highly recommended.


PEUGEOT 308 GTI 270
Engine
: 1,598cc, four-cylinder turbo 
Transmission: 6-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 270@6,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 243@1,900-5,500rpm
0-62mph: 6.0sec
Top Speed: 155mph
Weight: 1,280kg (including driver and fluids)
MPG: 39.2
CO2: 139g/km
Price: £29,405

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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SuperBaaaad

Original Poster:

1,707 posts

158 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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£30k for a Peugeot 308?

270bhp or not, they are having a laugh.

Wait 2 years and buy a used one for £15k.

FN2TypeR

5,921 posts

32 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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I like these, I went for a nosey at one at the local Peugeot dealer and I thought that it was a decent looking thing - I quite like the fact that it can be rather anonymous (if you avoid the Cup France paint, which suits the 208gti better IMO). The interior is very minimalist and the steering wheel tiny, I like that too - it was spacious, seemed well made with decent quality materials and it was the Peugeot Sport version so it had the nice bucket seats and the big brake kit

I didn't talk figures with the sales folks as I was merely being nosey at how the vehicle looked so I can't comment on the financials, they'd have to be pretty good to drag me away from a Golf GTI however

Cool car, though

I have seen a few of them around too, at least four different ones in the Aberdeen area, I know that's hardly Focus ST figures but it's still nice to see that people are buying them

jonosterman

52 posts

31 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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SuperBaaaad said:
£30k for a Peugeot 308?

270bhp or not, they are having a laugh.

Wait 2 years and buy a used one for £15k.
Ah pistonheads.... delete as appropriate:

£30k for a <Peugeot 308 | Golf | Focus | Civic>?

<270bhp | 306bhp | 345bhp | 306bhp> or not, they are having a laugh.

Wait 2 years and buy a used one for £15k


Things cost more than they used to. It's in the same ballpark as all the other high powered hot hatches.

EDIT: and you'll presumably get a reasonably discount on list as you would with most of the others anyway.

Edited by jonosterman on Thursday 6th July 11:03

FN2TypeR

5,921 posts

32 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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SuperBaaaad said:
£30k for a Peugeot 308?

270bhp or not, they are having a laugh.

Wait 2 years and buy a used one for £15k.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201706206619294?aggregatedTrim=GTi&model=308&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&advertising-location=at_cars&postcode=ab243qb&sort=sponsored&make=PEUGEOT&radius=1500&page=1

Pre registered, twenty four grand. Not shabby at all come to think of it

Ultrafunkula

569 posts

44 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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I would definitley consider one of these as a second hand car, along with the Leon Cupra.

Is the weight 1280kg or 1208kg? The article seems to give both.
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Jimmy Recard

15,396 posts

118 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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SuperBaaaad said:
£30k for a Peugeot 308?

270bhp or not, they are having a laugh.

Wait 2 years and buy a used one for £15k.
You're saying that cars depreciate between buying them and reaching two years old.

Are you sure? Do you have any evidence?

I've never heard that before, I'm not sure I believe it

PistonBroker

1,623 posts

165 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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FN2TypeR said:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

Pre registered, twenty four grand. Not shabby at all come to think of it
Mean looking back end in those shots. Almost looks like it's missing a cage!

Toyoda

1,055 posts

39 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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FN2TypeR said:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

Pre registered, twenty four grand. Not shabby at all come to think of it
Think these could have been had for £20k brand new at one point

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=16...


Zetec-S

2,542 posts

32 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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Looks too much like a cross between a Golf/A3 for my liking.

In the past, like them or loath them, at least Peugeot's used to be more unique with their styling.

SuperBaaaad

Original Poster:

1,707 posts

158 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
quotequote all
jonosterman said:
SuperBaaaad said:
£30k for a Peugeot 308?

270bhp or not, they are having a laugh.

Wait 2 years and buy a used one for £15k.
Ah pistonheads.... delete as appropriate:

£30k for a <Peugeot 308 | Golf | Focus | Civic>?

<270bhp | 306bhp | 345bhp | 306bhp> or not, they are having a laugh.

Wait 2 years and buy a used one for £15k


Things cost more than they used to. It's in the same ballpark as all the other high powered hot hatches.

EDIT: and you'll presumably get a reasonably discount on list as you would with most of the others anyway.

Edited by jonosterman on Thursday 6th July 11:03
I'd still love to know who would buy one over say, an S3, which is a mere £3k more.

FN2TypeR

5,921 posts

32 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
quotequote all
Toyoda said:
FN2TypeR said:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

Pre registered, twenty four grand. Not shabby at all come to think of it
Think these could have been had for £20k brand new at one point

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=16...
Good find, cheers cool

I wonder what sort of discounting will be available on the facelift? Doesn't seem like much of a change, I'd be looking for a pre-registered existing one that those prices TBH, if you can get a 270 for 21-23 grand that's exceptional value IMO

GTEYE

1,276 posts

149 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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Jimmy Recard said:
SuperBaaaad said:
£30k for a Peugeot 308?

270bhp or not, they are having a laugh.

Wait 2 years and buy a used one for £15k.
You're saying that cars depreciate between buying them and reaching two years old.

Are you sure? Do you have any evidence?

I've never heard that before, I'm not sure I believe it
Yes, cars depreciate.

The point is that you would be committing financial suicide to buy one new, even at a discount.

A quick search on Autotrader shows low mileage year old examples at £15-16k retail from Peugeot dealers....which knocks down to about £13-14k trade.

That's not a wise new purchase.

culpz

3,918 posts

51 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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How much are the first ones of these going for on the used market now? I think that's where you'll probably get the best bargain for one. Lease/PCP deals are pretty shocking for new ones, unsurprisingly, so buying a new one, regardless of any discount, does seem a bit pointless, IMO.

SuperBaaaad

Original Poster:

1,707 posts

158 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
quotequote all
GTEYE said:
Jimmy Recard said:
SuperBaaaad said:
£30k for a Peugeot 308?

270bhp or not, they are having a laugh.

Wait 2 years and buy a used one for £15k.
You're saying that cars depreciate between buying them and reaching two years old.

Are you sure? Do you have any evidence?

I've never heard that before, I'm not sure I believe it
Yes, cars depreciate.

The point is that you would be committing financial suicide to buy one new, even at a discount.

A quick search on Autotrader shows low mileage year old examples at £15-16k retail from Peugeot dealers....which knocks down to about £13-14k trade.

That's not a wise new purchase.
Thank you. Someone who speaks sense.

Jimmy Recard

15,396 posts

118 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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GTEYE said:
Yes, cars depreciate.

The point is that you would be committing financial suicide to buy one new, even at a discount.

A quick search on Autotrader shows low mileage year old examples at £15-16k retail from Peugeot dealers....which knocks down to about £13-14k trade.

That's not a wise new purchase.
I think most people are aware of that, and I've got no intention of buying one new, mostly because I probably wouldn't buy a brand new car at all

The point is that that was a comment for a "new vs used car" type of thread, not a track review of a car

Kenny Powers

2,115 posts

66 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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Love it when people think they are the arbiter of what other people should or shouldn't purchase biggrin

These are nice cars. Folk will buy them, and so they should if that's what they want.

WCZ

6,303 posts

133 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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jonosterman said:
Ah pistonheads.... delete as appropriate:

£30k for a <Peugeot 308 | Golf | Focus | Civic>?

<270bhp | 306bhp | 345bhp | 306bhp> or not, they are having a laugh.

Wait 2 years and buy a used one for £15k


Things cost more than they used to. It's in the same ballpark as all the other high powered hot hatches.

EDIT: and you'll presumably get a reasonably discount on list as you would with most of the others anyway.

Edited by jonosterman on Thursday 6th July 11:03
yeah, enjoy your £30k pug knowing for the same price you could have bought a 350bhp bmw 1 series !

krismccloy

165 posts

88 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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A applaud Peugeot for this car, They have certainly tried with the recipe.

380mm discs, LSD, c.1200kg which is the same as my yesteryear EP3 and 270bhp from 1.6 litres.




Kenny Powers

2,115 posts

66 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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krismccloy said:
A applaud Peugeot for this car, They have certainly tried with the recipe.

380mm discs, LSD, c.1200kg which is the same as my yesteryear EP3 and 270bhp from 1.6 litres.
Surely you're not nearly entitled enough?

This should weigh 900kg, lap the M25 in 6 minutes and cost £12k. No? biggrin

Jimmy Recard

15,396 posts

118 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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To me, the pre facelift version was the best looking car in its class. I'll have a used pre facelift in Coupe Franche in a couple of years