RE: The Ferrari V8 berlinettas: Spotted

RE: The Ferrari V8 berlinettas: Spotted

Wednesday 23rd August 2017

The Ferrari V8 berlinettas: Spotted

At £140K would you take a pristine manual F430, or an early 458 Italia?



How much do you like manual gearboxes? We'd wager quite a lot, given how heated the debate often gets on PH about the future of clutches and gearsticks. One thing is for sure though: Aston Martin aside, manuals in supercars are not returning. There won't be Lamborghinis with them, there won't be Maseratis with them and there won't be Ferraris with them.

Has time been kind to this look?
Has time been kind to this look?
In the latter case that seems especially sad. Yes, it's a jarringly familiar line to trot out now, but the click-clack of an open-gated Ferrari manual is such an iconic experience that its demise is still upsetting. For all but the youngest of car fans there has to be a manual Ferrari that formed part of the fascination growing up: for me it was the F50 and 550 Maranello, with the decades previous of course also crammed with legendary manual models.

Now the market is starting to appreciate the timeless appeal of manuals, perhaps because of their relative rarity, and pushing up prices for particularly desirable versions. The Ferrari F430 is a particularly interesting example; much like the 599 GTB Fiorano, it represents Maranello right on the cusp of becoming the F1-influenced sports car powerhouse it is today, with some traditional elements still available. Here are two cars that had a manettino switch, for instance, but which could also be had with a manual gearbox (albeit very rarely in the 599).

As a result, the three-pedal F430 has garnered quite a following for some time now. It's the last V8 berlinetta manual, which makes it significant, and could it be said that its mid-2000s styling looks less awkward than it once did? Whatever, the car is very much in demand, as evidenced by this particular example.

Appeal of manual not up for debate though!
Appeal of manual not up for debate though!
A 2006 car in black with the Challenge wheels, yellow calipers and - of course - a manual gearbox, it looks like a lovely F430. With less than eight thousand miles and the support of an official Ferrari dealer, it's hard to imagine finding a better one if an F430 is what your heart desires.

But it's £140,000. Yes, manual Ferraris really are that desirable in 2017. And that means the 430 begins to align with its successor, the 458 Italia. So while the £140K 458 won't be quite as immaculate as the 430, it does create a very interesting comparison.

This 2011 Italia is for sale at £95 less than the 430. Some will say the spec is too subdued, though it is at least comparable to the older car. And while 31,000 is of course a chunk more miles, it's not unreasonable. Up the budget to £150K and this Rosso Corsa 458 is at an official dealer with 10,000 miles less.

But with a car like this at the same money...
But with a car like this at the same money...
Anyway, the pair of black cars. Ultimately it will come down to what you want from your Ferrari, won't it? For something to keep, to cherish, to use sparingly and remind you of the classic sports cars, the 430 will be the one to have. Dare it be mentioned, your money might be safer in it as well... The 458 will be the faster, more exciting experience, a newer car that won't require as much commitment as the 430 across the board. It too has its own significance as the last naturally aspirated V8 Ferrari berlinetta.

Which would it be? Of course it's not a quandary ever faced by most petrolheads, but indulge us a little fantasising for today. Despite being just a few years apart they represent quite different Ferrari eras - where does your preference lie?


FERRARI F430
Engine:
4,308cc, V8
Transmission: 6-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 490@8,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 343@5,250rpm
MPG: N/A
CO2: 420g/km
First registered: 2006
Recorded mileage: 7,000
Price new: £127,050
Yours for: £139,995

See the original advert here.

FERRARI 458 ITALIA
Engine
: 4,499cc, V8
Transmission: 7-speed automatic, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 570@9,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 398@6,000rpm
MPG: 21.2
CO2: 307g/km
First registered: 2011
Recorded mileage: 31,000
Price new: £178,491
Yours for: £139,900

See the original advert here

 

 

 

 

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LA458SP

Original Poster:

49 posts

42 months

Wednesday 23rd August 2017
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Always have to laugh at the way Ferrari bolted on the manual stick in F430 - Proper afterthought! 355 always felt like the last proper manual V8 to me as it was designed as such with the F1 variant coming along later in its life.

Anyway, 458 for me unless we were talking 430 SCUDERIA!


CupMeister

30 posts

61 months

Wednesday 23rd August 2017
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I never really liked the 430 so it's an easy win for the 458 for me, I own a Specialé so I'm probably a little biased...but in that car I can't say I miss the manual box. I had a 355 though and truth be told I really miss it, that was a manual...

CupMeister

30 posts

61 months

Wednesday 23rd August 2017
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LA458SP said:
Always have to laugh at the way Ferrari bolted on the manual stick in F430 - Proper afterthought! 355 always felt like the last proper manual V8 to me as it was designed as such with the F1 variant coming along later in its life.

Anyway, 458 for me unless we were talking 430 SCUDERIA!
Couldn't agree more!

PistonBroker

1,561 posts

162 months

Wednesday 23rd August 2017
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My preference is for a manual . . . but I prefer the look of the 458.

At the end of the day, if I'm spending this sort of money on a black Berlinetta, it will be in the form of a 355. So it's all moot!

Trophy-GTA

75 posts

34 months

Wednesday 23rd August 2017
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Neither for me. I would go older.
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sidesauce

864 posts

154 months

Wednesday 23rd August 2017
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458, no brainer.

I prefer it for its performance, interior ergonomics, that seven-year maintenance plan (the car in the article wouldn't qualify so I'd aim for a least a 2012 model over a 2011 for that reason) and because I'd use it every. single. day.

Been in 355s, 430s and 458s; the idealists choice might be something older but from a pragmatic point of view I'd prefer the most reliable (and safe were an accident to occur) which obviously is going to be the newest car.

Edited by sidesauce on Wednesday 23 August 10:38

ZOLLAR

19,546 posts

109 months

Wednesday 23rd August 2017
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Trophy-GTA said:
Neither for me. I would go older.
same,

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...


dazwalsh

4,046 posts

77 months

Wednesday 23rd August 2017
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I'd be in a 360 over both of those, far better looking machine, especially in CS guise, although I would hazard a guess they are touching 200k + given the madness of the pricing over the last few years.




mon the fish

907 posts

84 months

Wednesday 23rd August 2017
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Has the dealer flogging the red one actually driven it to Maranello!? Looks like the F1 team building in the background

rare6499

221 posts

75 months

Wednesday 23rd August 2017
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Guess I'm bucking the trend a bit but the 430 has more appeal for me. I think it's the better looking car.

hondansx

3,258 posts

161 months

Wednesday 23rd August 2017
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I just don't think the F430 is an attractive car. Looking at those pictures, I'd have guessed it was an MR2 replica - it just looks a bit wrong to my eyes.

They are also not amazing cars; exaggerated by the 458 which moved the game on significantly. For me, the obsession with manuals is getting a bit much; now ANYTHING with a manual gearbox is a true driver's car.

Aftershox

103 posts

94 months

Wednesday 23rd August 2017
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430 Scud over 458 Specialie any-day. However if we are talking standard models then the 458.

tomtom

3,999 posts

166 months

Wednesday 23rd August 2017
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Manual 355 cloud9

I wouldn't spend > £100k on a 355 though. The 458 is spectacular.

JohnGoodridge

513 posts

131 months

Wednesday 23rd August 2017
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Similar money buys a good 550 Maranello.

Different era, but the front engine V12 manual is just so much more desirable IMHO. Probably also a good place to park your cash if used sparingly as well. And yes, I blame the recent Harry's Garage euologising the car for my decision!

WCZ

6,023 posts

130 months

Wednesday 23rd August 2017
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the nice thing about Ferrari is the order of desirability up until the 458 spec is just chronological, you'd be insane to take a 430 manual over a 458

mon the fish

907 posts

84 months

Wednesday 23rd August 2017
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JohnGoodridge said:
Similar money buys a good 550 Maranello.

Different era, but the front engine V12 manual is just so much more desirable IMHO. Probably also a good place to park your cash if used sparingly as well. And yes, I blame the recent Harry's Garage euologising the car for my decision!


Yep cloud9

Maldini35

1,860 posts

124 months

Wednesday 23rd August 2017
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Agree with others - better to go older still wink


EpsomJames

715 posts

182 months

Wednesday 23rd August 2017
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LA458SP said:
Always have to laugh at the way Ferrari bolted on the manual stick in F430 - Proper afterthought! 355 always felt like the last proper manual V8 to me as it was designed as such with the F1 variant coming along later in its life.

Anyway, 458 for me unless we were talking 430 SCUDERIA!
Yeah I always thought the manual shifter on the F430 looks like a console joystick from the 80s. Really doesn't suit the interior. That and the stereo.

Anyway, I'd go for either 458 or 355, unless 360CS suddenly plummets. There is also something about the way the 430Scud looks that I can't quite gel with, although not sure I can put my finger on exactly what it is.

Scottie - NW

815 posts

169 months

Wednesday 23rd August 2017
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These aren't cars any more with 8k on after so many years, they are expensive to maintain ornaments frown

big_rob_sydney

2,167 posts

130 months

Wednesday 23rd August 2017
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Out of those two options, it would be the 458 for me. I don't see what the 430 brings compared to the 458, and I only really see the fact that its just older meaning it will require maintenance due to age faster than the newer car. Bigger bills, then.

Also, I don't see the 430 as being particularly shorter in supply, ie, its not a limited edition model like a CS. The same is true of the 458. So we have mainstream models in both cases.

I don't know if there's enough data yet to make the case, but I would have thought too that the newer car would be better built, with not only better structural rigidity, but also better materials science employed in its components, simply due to the manufacturer expanding on its knowledge and simply building a better car as time goes by.

I also like the looks of the 458 more, but this is totally subjective.

Not that I would ever get the chance, but I would love to take these to track days. In such circumstances, I'd expect the newer car to be faster, but I also wonder which would be more outright "fun".

458 for me.