RE: Fiat 124 Coupe: Spotted

RE: Fiat 124 Coupe: Spotted

Thursday 21st September 2017

Fiat 124 Coupe: Spotted

The original 124 Spider is now a pricey little car, so what about a later Coupe?



You know how annoying it is when something or someone with real flair and natural ability is outshone on the public stage - often for totally unfounded reasons - by a sibling of greater commercial appeal but lesser real worth?

Here's something you don't see every day!
Here's something you don't see every day!
Some of you will now be thinking of famous examples of this from the political, musical or sporting worlds; but I have my mind fixed firmly in the motoring one. Can we logically explain why the short and stubby, yet wholeheartedly popular, Mk1 Golf GTI has become more worthy of universal praise than the largely forgotten Mk1 Scirocco GTI? The later being so much lower in stance and much nicer to drive. Can we, for that matter, work out why the original 1960s Fiat 124 Spider has become more popular than the more elegant and far more sensual 124 Coupe?

I suppose we first have to take into account that there are more Spiders than Coupes around. The Spider enjoyed considerable success, most notably in the USA, where it continued to be sold right up until 1985 - many years after the Coupe model had been discontinued. In time, a lot of these cars were imported to the UK, helping to fill a drop-top hole in our convertible mad island. No wonder, then, that there are plenty of 124 Spiders still going strong, being spoken and written of, restored, bought and sold, while finding a second-hand 124 Coupe for sale remains a comparatively rare treat.

Now, don't get me wrong, the 124 Spider was a very good car. It was great to look at (althoughthe later big-bumpered US cars were a little ungainly), good to drive and, undoubtedly, a nice car to own. Suitably tuned, and doing so was relatively easy, it was a hugely successful rally car too.

Looking very presentable for 44 years old!
Looking very presentable for 44 years old!
However, those in the know generally regard the 124 Coupe as the better driver's car. It had reserves of roadholding and the type of spirited handling that was almost unknown in moderately priced sporting cars of the time. Introduced in 1967 it, like the Spider, was based on the 124 saloon which was, despite its boxy appearance, a pretty advanced little thing. Yes, it was a humble and lightweight four-door family runabout, but it was stuffed with innovative engineering features such as disc brakes, double wishbone front, and coil spring rear, suspension. Remember, Fiat was on a bit of a creative roll in the 1960s, with some great men of real flair in charge of road car development. Indeed if you are a motoring historian then evocative names like Valletta, Giacosa and Montebone will mean much to you, and the 124 was touched by the genius of them all.

The Coupe and Spider also had the legendary Aurelio Lampredi, who some thought the greatest of all Ferrari engine designers, overseeing the 97hp 1.4-litre twin-cam unit that, not long after its launch, was joined up to a then-innovative five-speed gearbox. That lively engine could rev way beyond its 6600rpm limit, and enjoyed another first, a toothed belt drive to its camshafts, as well as a viscous fan clutch and a sealed cooling system. The 124 had front and rear anti-roll bars, too, and power went through a torque tube to the rear wheels, just like a 275GTB!

A later car but with the 1.6 rather than the 1.8
A later car but with the 1.6 rather than the 1.8
It was great, sweet, subtle and rewarding. Alas, in time, the Coupe became a little heavier, with the second-gen version introducing a more powerful 1.6-litre engine and a blunter nose, and the third-gen a 1.8-litre to supplement the 1.6 and yet more styling tweaks. Despite which it still retained the balance and some of the style of the original car.

Now they're rarer than hen's teeth, and so to find one in the PH classifieds is enough to set an old man's heart a-flutter. What's on offer here is a third-gen version from 1973, an original UK car with the 1.6-litre engine, which is reportedly in good order throughout. Listed details are few, but the car in the pictures looks good and, as only old people and owners now know the 124 Coupe for the wundercar it is, prices are still relatively affordable. The owner is asking what seems like a reasonable £12,950 for this one. At the end of the day what you are looking at is still a 44-year old Fiat, so all the necessary precautions should be observed, but you might pay a lot more and get a lot less elsewhere. This should certainly be worth a look.


FIAT 124 COUPE
Engine:
1,608cc, four-cylinder
Transmission: 5-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 110@6400rpm
Torque (lb ft): 101@N/A rpm
MPG: N/A
CO2: N/A
First registered: 1973
Recorded mileage: 72,000
Price new: N/A
Yours for: £12,950

See the original advert here.

[Words: Mark Pearson]

 

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Pereldh

Original Poster:

539 posts

112 months

Thursday 21st September 2017
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My first dreamcar as our neighbor had a silver metallic '74 version.
I STILL haven't bought one but when I do it'll be the last gen, 1800cc 118hp version.

Also it's arguably the most badass Fiat ever made bar "il monstro" or maybe the Dino Coupe..


pomodori

4,404 posts

79 months

Thursday 21st September 2017
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Il monstro is an Alfa SZ .

pomodori

4,404 posts

79 months

Thursday 21st September 2017
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It's also mostro in Italiano.

Pereldh

Original Poster:

539 posts

112 months

Thursday 21st September 2017
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Sorry *il mostro' of course it is. smile


pomodori

4,404 posts

79 months

Thursday 21st September 2017
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That ^^^^ is the "Beast of Turin",the S76

coppice

8,594 posts

144 months

Thursday 21st September 2017
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The later iterations lost something over the original - the one pictured has an awful snout . I will take an early 1400 in positano (was it ? ) yellow . A truly lovely looking car and all but forgotten. Odd , when every other car at historic race meetings seems to be the even lovelier Alfa GTV but the Fiat is incredibly rare . As , too , is the sublime Fiat Dino - both spyder and coupe are gorgeous and how splendid that the former is not the latter with no roof but entirely different !

rallycross

12,782 posts

237 months

Thursday 21st September 2017
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the early cars looked nicer, my dad had one in this orangey yellow colour when I was a nipper'


LuS1fer

41,127 posts

245 months

Thursday 21st September 2017
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Went to see a few in my younger years but every single one was rusty as hell.

BVB

1,100 posts

153 months

Thursday 21st September 2017
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Beautiful and full of innovation. Back in the early 80's my older brothers friend had one in yellow, with black vinyl interior. Went like a rocket.

petemurphy

10,117 posts

183 months

Thursday 21st September 2017
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That is fabulous

Toltec

7,159 posts

223 months

Thursday 21st September 2017
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Pereldh said:
My first dreamcar as our neighbor had a silver metallic '74 version.
I STILL haven't bought one but when I do it'll be the last gen, 1800cc 118hp version.

Also it's arguably the most badass Fiat ever made bar "il monstro" or maybe the Dino Coupe..

Very nice.

irocfan

40,365 posts

190 months

Thursday 21st September 2017
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I like them - do/did feel that there was more than a passing resemblance to these....


Jerseyhpc

31 posts

105 months

Thursday 21st September 2017
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Aaarrrrgggghhhh!
I got one for £25 in the ‘80s, used it for field racing and put a rod through the block!
Towed it to the scrappie the next day 😭

Mr Tidy

22,250 posts

127 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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irocfan said:
I like them - do/did feel that there was more than a passing resemblance to these....

Well that may be because the Fiat 124 Coupe first appeared in about 1969, whereas the Peugeot joined the party in the mid-70s so a bit of a pastiche/copy. banghead

My 2nd car was a Fiat 125 - first production twin-cam engine driven by a rubber band, but also 4 wheel disc brakes in the 60s!

I looked at a 124 Coupe, a 124 Spyder and a 130 as potential replacements but most were sheds so I bought something else, but I did later have a Fiat 132 1800ES - Lampredi twin-cams are just great engines!



Edited by Mr Tidy on Friday 22 September 03:17

dinkel

26,932 posts

258 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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A box can be elegant.

TR4man

5,222 posts

174 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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dinkel said:

A box can be elegant.
True, but not that one!

Pereldh

Original Poster:

539 posts

112 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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The pictured (128) didn't have the DOHC and wasn't even rwd.

The Pininfarina Peugeot 504 Coupe is indeed a beautiful car, albeit with medieval tech compared to the Fiat.
It's also one size larger, and several years later.
Funny enough the 124 Coupe was NOT designed by Pininfarina but inhouse Fiat by young talent Boano.

Mr Tidy said:
My 2nd car was a Fiat 125 - first production twin-cam engine driven by a rubber band, but also 4 wheel disc brakes in the 60s!

I looked at a 124 Coupe, a 124 Spyder and a 130 as potential replacements but most were sheds so I bought something else, but I did later have a Fiat 132 1800ES - Lampredi twin-cams are just great engines!
Aaah I'd like a 125 Special once more!
Talk about wolf in sheeps clothes...

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Edited by Pereldh on Friday 22 September 08:19


Edited by Pereldh on Friday 22 September 08:22

MadDog1962

890 posts

162 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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There seemed to quite a lot (relatively speaking) of these surviving in Australia. In the U.K. they were not sold in big numbers and suffered very horribly to rust. Great shame.

They were not exactly cheap when new, and were very well regarded by petrol heads of the day. The problem was that a Ford Escort Mexico or RS 2000 was much cheaper to buy and run and just as capable, plus Fiat dealers were very often sh*t. These Fiats were much classier cars though, with a much nicer and more sophisticated chassis and driveline.

AC43

11,473 posts

208 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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MadDog1962 said:
They were not exactly cheap when new, and were very well regarded by petrol heads of the day. The problem was that a Ford Escort Mexico or RS 2000 was much cheaper to buy and run and just as capable, plus Fiat dealers were very often sh*t. These Fiats were much classier cars though, with a much nicer and more sophisticated chassis and driveline.
My mate's dad had one in the 70's in Fife. Chopped it in for an Alfetta GT. Also lovely. Light years ahead of the Fords of the day.

iSore

4,011 posts

144 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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What happened to all the pretty cars? (I prefer the later 124 btw)







Oh Jesus........