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RE: Renaultsport Clio 200 EDC: PH Carpool

RE: Renaultsport Clio 200 EDC: PH Carpool

Monday 9th October 2017

Renaultsport Clio 200 EDC: PH Carpool

This PHer swapped a 182 for the much maligned 200 and - whisper it - he's rather enjoying the experience...



Name: MJH
Car: Renaultsport Clio 200 EDC Lux
Owned since: Jan 2017
Previously owned: VW Golf Mk3 GL TDI, Fiat Punto 1.2 Sporting, Renaultsport Clio 182

Can you really replace a 182 with a 200 EDC? Yes!
Can you really replace a 182 with a 200 EDC? Yes!
Why I bought it:
"I loved my Clio 182, it was one of the best driving experiences I'd ever had. However, as it neared 90,000 miles the problems were racking up and I had the bright idea of working out how much cash I'd put into it during 2016. Once I'd recovered from that ordeal I concluded it needed to go. I wanted to stay with the Renaultsport brand (I've become a bit obsessed with it) but where do you go from a 182?

"I wanted something with more comfort, and more equipment but also a car that could still shift and put a smile on my face. After countless hours trawling the classifieds and ringing dealers with limited direction I stumbled across a controversial, hated by many, but oh so pretty - to me, at least - Clio 200 EDC. A few phone calls, a trip up the M1 and a very spirited test drive later, a deal was done. I waved a misty eyed goodbye to my beloved 182 and set off home in the EDC. After the first run down the slip road back onto the M1 homeward bound misty eyes had been replaced by a beaming grin and, thankfully, a feeling that I'd made the right decision."

What I wish I'd known:
"Because the 200 EDC received a fairly frosty reception (especially amongst a lot of RS drivers) I spent my time leading up the test drive consuming every article, video or general rant I could find that had an opinion on the car. A few recurring negatives ('that' gearbox in particular) seemed to be generally outweighed by the positives.

"Ultimately, I put my faith in how I felt when I test drove it. I knew what I expected and I knew what it had to do to be the right car to replace the 182 - thankfully it ticked all of the boxes."

Don't like the auto mode? Use the paddles!
Don't like the auto mode? Use the paddles!
Things I love:
"It's a superb daily car; in regular auto it potters through rush hour effortlessly but remains responsive and nippy enough to burst through the occasional gaps in the stream of cars. The enjoyment is helped by the fact the interior is a really nice place to curse traffic from; comfy seats, decent infotainment and enough nods to the RS brand make it really pleasant.

"A quick push of the RS button makes it feel like a totally different animal. The engine revs pick up on idle, the steering gets heavier and you feel it would be silly not to use the paddles to shift. Sport and Race modes introduce more exhaust noise and the pops it throws out on up shifts are addictive, equally so the little kick in revs as you shift down.

"On that note, the gearbox is actually pretty good. In automatic, Sport mode holds third like a small child clutching a beloved teddy bear, but that's nothing that can't be solved with a quick flick of the paddle or by slotting it into manual shift. The paddles themselves are aluminium and positioned nicely and I've found myself using them a lot more than I expected to. When you're driving the EDC the whole experience feels like you're driving something that cost a lot more than it actually did."

Things I hate:
"The exhaust could be louder - going from the roar of the 182 to the relatively sedate EDC was a big shock to the system. It's a shame that the Renaultsport engineers didn't twig that most RS owners actually like a slight ringing in their ears when they arrive, and many other brands seem to have worked very hard recently to produce exhausts with some oomph.

"There's also the little features that probably should have been offered but weren't; xenon headlights and Recaro seats would have been nice options but there was obviously a trade off against the cost of the gearbox. The brakes could have been Brembo, even if the big rotors that come on the car do a great job of stopping it; there's just something that builds braking confidence about having that name on your calipers."

Great fun to drive, but fine for commuting as well
Great fun to drive, but fine for commuting as well
Costs:
"Despite telling myself (and promising the better half with a big smile) it wouldn't be the biggest expense; fuel is definitely costly. The daily commute brings in around 25mpg and on a motorway run, depending on how delicate my right foot is, and usually I'm averaging around 35mpg. With that in mind I've always been on the opinion that if fuel prices were my driving motivation I'd buy a Prius (and I wouldn't insist the car is always run on V Power).

Tyres aren't the cheapest (or easiest to find), the recommended Dunlop SportMaxx RT2 are £140ish a corner. Making the move to Pirelli or Michelin will put you to £150/£170 a corner respectively.

It's just come back from the annual service (worth noting that the service interval is huge - 12,500 miles or 24 months) which cost £99. Main dealer Renault charge a small fortune so I use RS Four Ashes in Wolverhampton. I used them religiously with the 182 and have continued with the EDC; the prices are fair and Floyd is pretty much the only mechanic I'll let near my car.

Where I've been:
"After seven months of the daily drag through Birmingham's riveting rush hour we packed the car up and set off for 14 days driving through France. 2,300 miles later I can safely say this will be a car I keep for many years to come. It's hugely capable with a lot of speed and sublime handling, but it can also cart around a stupid amount of luggage as well as some bottle shaped purchases picked up along the way. Now firmly back in the rush hour regime, I thoroughly miss the open roads.

"Despite disapproving looks from better half each toll booth proved a perfect opportunity to bury the accelerator and see just how quickly/loudly a fully loaded Clio could get back up to cruising speed - very is the answer. A final pit stop in Le Mans and a visit to the hallowed track drew a few nods of approval from French and British drivers alike.

Plenty more road trips coming!
Plenty more road trips coming!
"The car will now get some blasts around B roads to clear the cobwebs fairly regularly whilst next year's road trip is planned."

What next?
"Definitely a daily drive for a few years. I've fallen in love with it and, despite having the huge shoes of the 182 to fill, the ownership experience keeps getting better. Some subtle(ish) changes are needed over the next few months though, starting with the exhaust to get a bit more roar out of it. After that I've heard of a few EDCs running 250hp with very stable ECU remaps - it would be rude not to investigate.

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benboy123

Original Poster:

9 posts

74 months

Monday 9th October 2017
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Pleased to see another Renaultsport fan!

I took ownership of a 2017 plate Clio 220 trophy last weekend, having never had an auto its taking some getting used but first impressions are solid.

Superchips do a great map for the clio 200t but haven't developed anything for mine which is disappointing. Having had one of their maps on my last car (fiesta red edition) id certainly recommend. Plenty of R&D and live testing goes into their maps.

For some noise take a look at milltek for these as they are well made and produce a nice sound track. Might cost near yo £500 but worth it in my opinion.

Enjoy mate you have yourself a great motor!



culpz

2,587 posts

37 months

Monday 9th October 2017
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Nice to see someone enjoying the car who is also a Renaultsport fan. I think these are becoming more popular now, as i do see more and more people finally buying them. Now that used prices are at around 10k, they do look like a much better proposition IMO. I personally really like them.

My original plan for my next car was to buy a cheap 172/182 as my daily. The issue is, coming from a string of lease cars, i've been used to the whole new car thing and i'm not the best with a spanner either, which i think helps with these older cars and sorting out their little niggles.

So, another plan was to borrow some money and get one of these. Not the best financial decision i know but technically getting a cheap 172/182 might not be much better one, either. These appear to be very reliable too and the gearbox has no known issues either, as far as i'm aware.

WCZ

4,881 posts

119 months

Monday 9th October 2017
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the trophy version I drove was sooooooo much better than the original 200

shrektus

77 posts

4 months

Monday 9th October 2017
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"Tyres aren't the cheapest (or easiest to find), the recommended Dunlop SportMaxx RT2 are £140ish a corner. Making the move to Pirelli or Michelin will put you to £150/£170 a corner respectively."

You could get Nexens, Falken for around £100 fitted

Otispunkmeyer

8,932 posts

80 months

Monday 9th October 2017
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I've been looking at these but the fuel consumption just seems a bit off.... its competitors aren't nearly as bad (ST Fiesta, Pug 208 GTi can achieve better numbers on a run, which is useful for a hot-hatch IMO; they're do everything machines).

I have to say, I always suspected the dual clutch box was better to live with than the mag reviews made out.
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dazzaturbo

24 posts

116 months

Monday 9th October 2017
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My Mrs runs one of these in liquid yellow I love it to be fair
I have a dc5 integra and if I have to go anywhere and the Mrs is at home I take the Clio
The gearbox in auto/normal mode is a bit slow but in race/manual it’s plenty quick enough and it handles really well

TheDrBrian

2,665 posts

147 months

Monday 9th October 2017
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Surely if you think it’s a bit quiet you can turn the engine mp3 up a bit or change it to a R35 or spaceship.

culpz

2,587 posts

37 months

Monday 9th October 2017
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Otispunkmeyer said:
I've been looking at these but the fuel consumption just seems a bit off.... its competitors aren't nearly as bad (ST Fiesta, Pug 208 GTi can achieve better numbers on a run, which is useful for a hot-hatch IMO; they're do everything machines).

I have to say, I always suspected the dual clutch box was better to live with than the mag reviews made out.
What's worse is the fact that, in comparison, the old Clio 172 and 182's were amazingly fuel-efficient for what they were. The 197/200's were pretty shocking, as they were heavier and these 200T's now appear to only be fractionally better. That's probably the to do with the EDC gearbox though.

I'd try and test drive one and see what you think. OP's 25 average MPG for town driving is probably about right for a 200 bhp performance Clio with a dual-clutch gearbox. I'd say that, in a similar scenario, the 208 and the Fiesta will probably be about the same. I can't see there being much difference.

I didn't see much wrong with the gearbox. It was a silly and pointless test drive that i got but it seemed decent enough. It may not be as lightning quick as a DSG, but it doesn't really have any known faults that i'm aware of nor does it need any specific maintenance care. So, potentially more reliable.

Alex_225

2,306 posts

126 months

Monday 9th October 2017
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I must admit these have grown on me more and more. Having owned a number of RenaultSports in my time I've been a long term fan.

I was unsure of the 200 EDC purely as it was a departure from the likes of the 172/182 which were so old school in their hot hatchness.

I can appreciate the merits of an auto-box and I suspect it make the Clio more of a good all round car you can have fun in. My last commute by car (2005) I used a Clio 172 when I was 23, I'm not sure I'd want to spend an hour in traffic on one now, where as the EDC seems like it wouldn't be so much of a chore.

GrumpyTwig

3,006 posts

82 months

Monday 9th October 2017
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culpz said:
Otispunkmeyer said:
I've been looking at these but the fuel consumption just seems a bit off.... its competitors aren't nearly as bad (ST Fiesta, Pug 208 GTi can achieve better numbers on a run, which is useful for a hot-hatch IMO; they're do everything machines).

I have to say, I always suspected the dual clutch box was better to live with than the mag reviews made out.
What's worse is the fact that, in comparison, the old Clio 172 and 182's were amazingly fuel-efficient for what they were. The 197/200's were pretty shocking, as they were heavier and these 200T's now appear to only be fractionally better. That's probably the to do with the EDC gearbox though.

I'd try and test drive one and see what you think. OP's 25 average MPG for town driving is probably about right for a 200 bhp performance Clio with a dual-clutch gearbox. I'd say that, in a similar scenario, the 208 and the Fiesta will probably be about the same. I can't see there being much difference.

I didn't see much wrong with the gearbox. It was a silly and pointless test drive that i got but it seemed decent enough. It may not be as lightning quick as a DSG, but it doesn't really have any known faults that i'm aware of nor does it need any specific maintenance care. So, potentially more reliable.
Pretty poor mpg when you'd get the same from a Megane, or at least I do and I'm far from an eco driver. Wonder where all the fuels going when it's a 1.6.

Tuvra

7,306 posts

150 months

Monday 9th October 2017
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If everything goes to plan over the next few months, I really fancy changing my FRS for a V10 R8 and getting one of these as an everyday car.

If I had one, I'd have to make it look like this:-

I loved that so much I probably would have bought a real one - if they made it frown

culpz

2,587 posts

37 months

Monday 9th October 2017
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GrumpyTwig said:
culpz said:
Otispunkmeyer said:
I've been looking at these but the fuel consumption just seems a bit off.... its competitors aren't nearly as bad (ST Fiesta, Pug 208 GTi can achieve better numbers on a run, which is useful for a hot-hatch IMO; they're do everything machines).

I have to say, I always suspected the dual clutch box was better to live with than the mag reviews made out.
What's worse is the fact that, in comparison, the old Clio 172 and 182's were amazingly fuel-efficient for what they were. The 197/200's were pretty shocking, as they were heavier and these 200T's now appear to only be fractionally better. That's probably the to do with the EDC gearbox though.

I'd try and test drive one and see what you think. OP's 25 average MPG for town driving is probably about right for a 200 bhp performance Clio with a dual-clutch gearbox. I'd say that, in a similar scenario, the 208 and the Fiesta will probably be about the same. I can't see there being much difference.

I didn't see much wrong with the gearbox. It was a silly and pointless test drive that i got but it seemed decent enough. It may not be as lightning quick as a DSG, but it doesn't really have any known faults that i'm aware of nor does it need any specific maintenance care. So, potentially more reliable.
Pretty poor mpg when you'd get the same from a Megane, or at least I do and I'm far from an eco driver. Wonder where all the fuels going when it's a 1.6.
As i said, i can guarantee that the EDC is not helping here. As far as i'm aware, most dual-clutch systems are a bit less economical compared to their manual equivalent. That's quite hard to gauge though, seeing as they never did a manual version of the MK4 Renaultsport Clio.

Also, pure town driving will never be good for optimum fuel-efficiency. My 1.4 TFSI Audi A4 with 150 bhp, stop/start and cylinder-shutdown only averages 33 MPG due to my similar commute. So, in that respect, the Clio doesn't fair too badly in comparison for a performance model.

Bobbywhacker

38 posts

99 months

Monday 9th October 2017
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culpz said:
As i said, i can guarantee that the EDC is not helping here. As far as i'm aware, most dual-clutch systems are a bit less economical compared to their manual equivalent. That's quite hard to gauge though, seeing as they never did a manual version of the MK4 Renaultsport Clio.

Also, pure town driving will never be good for optimum fuel-efficiency. My 1.4 TFSI Audi A4 with 150 bhp, stop/start and cylinder-shutdown only averages 33 MPG due to my similar commute. So, in that respect, the Clio doesn't fair too badly in comparison for a performance model.
I've been running an EDC now for some 20months and nearly 30k miles.. definitely thirstier than I ever thought it would be and 1/2 of the daily commute (30miles) is the grind of the M25. I could be way off, but I think the mpg 'problem' is really the driver.. I find in auto mode the g/box holds 1st, 2nd and 3rd way longer than you would in a normal non-spirited drive and it's just my laziness that I'm not flicking the paddle up a gear to quell down the revs and get some economy back. Leaving it in manual mode and the car is 'pinging' to change gear sooner than it would in full auto.

Faults with the car? Well it's had 2 recalls (spoiler and windscreen wipers), but they were both handled very well. The materials still aren't quite there for me - interior plastics still far too scratchy but it is a world away from the new 182 w/Cup packs I picked up all those years ago in '05. And as far as overall reliability goes I really cannot fault it. It did develop the most annoying rattle and that was resolved super quick with the discovery of a scuttle panel clip failing (common apparently). Coincidentially whilst in the garage the car had apparently some updates applied and the g/box felt completely different when getting the car back. Much much smoother in auto, and less tendancy to hang onto a gear at the wrong time!

The car's had a single trip to the Evo triangle and I'm headed up to Yorkshire this weekend. As much as I slate thing (badge envy), and the whiney noise it makes, I find the handling just brilliant and it's so planted - I think I might just keep it for the longer term.

V10Ace

197 posts

18 months

Monday 9th October 2017
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Tuvra said:
If everything goes to plan over the next few months, I really fancy changing my FRS for a V10 R8 and getting one of these as an everyday car.

If I had one, I'd have to make it look like this:-

I loved that so much I probably would have bought a real one - if they made it frown
Good man...beer

culpz

2,587 posts

37 months

Monday 9th October 2017
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Bobbywhacker said:
I've been running an EDC now for some 20months and nearly 30k miles.. definitely thirstier than I ever thought it would be and 1/2 of the daily commute (30miles) is the grind of the M25. I could be way off, but I think the mpg 'problem' is really the driver.. I find in auto mode the g/box holds 1st, 2nd and 3rd way longer than you would in a normal non-spirited drive and it's just my laziness that I'm not flicking the paddle up a gear to quell down the revs and get some economy back. Leaving it in manual mode and the car is 'pinging' to change gear sooner than it would in full auto.

Faults with the car? Well it's had 2 recalls (spoiler and windscreen wipers), but they were both handled very well. The materials still aren't quite there for me - interior plastics still far too scratchy but it is a world away from the new 182 w/Cup packs I picked up all those years ago in '05. And as far as overall reliability goes I really cannot fault it. It did develop the most annoying rattle and that was resolved super quick with the discovery of a scuttle panel clip failing (common apparently). Coincidentially whilst in the garage the car had apparently some updates applied and the g/box felt completely different when getting the car back. Much much smoother in auto, and less tendancy to hang onto a gear at the wrong time!

The car's had a single trip to the Evo triangle and I'm headed up to Yorkshire this weekend. As much as I slate thing (badge envy), and the whiney noise it makes, I find the handling just brilliant and it's so planted - I think I might just keep it for the longer term.
I'm glad to hear that you're enjoying it on the whole. Regardless of the bad press, it's actually the gearbox within this segment that makes me want one. As i said, there is a possibility of me getting one next year, it's just having to borrow the money for one which i'm a bit unsure about.

Those are the only issues i've heard off. I knew there was a few recalls but they're covered FOC anyway. Rattles and strange noises don't bother me too much. It's still French at the end of the day, despite the Nissan influence. I wouldn't expect an Audi-like experience, anyway.

You can always get it remapped too. I can imagine one of these with around 235 bhp and a similar torque figure via RS Tuning to be an absolute riot and something of a giant-slayer. I've heard the 'box appears to be able to handle this kind of power without any issues.

Womble62

4 posts

63 months

Monday 9th October 2017
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Never mind 250 maps some of us have passed that and still returning an average of 34mpg

Visit RS Tuning to bring your car to life. As for the exhaust sound it is an easy fix, remove the middle silencer and if you want a little more remove the secondary cat.

Car is a total hoot, spoiled by reviews from most of the motoring press.

GrumpyTwig

3,006 posts

82 months

Monday 9th October 2017
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Womble62 said:


Never mind 250 maps some of us have passed that and still returning an average of 34mpg

Visit RS Tuning to bring your car to life. As for the exhaust sound it is an easy fix, remove the middle silencer and if you want a little more remove the secondary cat.

Car is a total hoot, spoiled by reviews from most of the motoring press.
You've been running yours at that power for a while now haven't you? No issues I take it?

Womble62

4 posts

63 months

Monday 9th October 2017
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No problems at all, clutch is good and all the gears are still in the box despite the constant scare stories. Renaultsports best hot hatch yet.
What’s more BiXenons been running them for 2 years, Brembos also fitted. Seats are actually ok, they hug you without the constant worry of wearing the bolsters out.


Frimley111R

8,211 posts

159 months

Tuesday 10th October 2017
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Alex_225 said:
I can appreciate the merits of an auto-box and I suspect it make the Clio more of a good all round car you can have fun in. My last commute by car (2005) I used a Clio 172 when I was 23, I'm not sure I'd want to spend an hour in traffic on one now, where as the EDC seems like it wouldn't be so much of a chore.
Exactly my thoughts. I commute on motorways and am always in a queue somewhere so any hot hatch would have to have auto/paddleshift for me. Shame they don't make a Focus RS with one!

culpz

2,587 posts

37 months

Wednesday 11th October 2017
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Frimley111R said:
Alex_225 said:
I can appreciate the merits of an auto-box and I suspect it make the Clio more of a good all round car you can have fun in. My last commute by car (2005) I used a Clio 172 when I was 23, I'm not sure I'd want to spend an hour in traffic on one now, where as the EDC seems like it wouldn't be so much of a chore.
Exactly my thoughts. I commute on motorways and am always in a queue somewhere so any hot hatch would have to have auto/paddleshift for me. Shame they don't make a Focus RS with one!
This is the main issue with the older Renaultsport Clio's for me. I believe they have very heavy clutches and my commute is alot of town driving and mostly of stop/start and heavy traffic variety. I get annoyed enough now with a very light Audi clutch so i think i'd get genuinely fed-up.