RE: Bloodhound SSC: "This is a race car"

RE: Bloodhound SSC: "This is a race car"

Thursday 26th October 2017

Bloodhound SSC: "This is a race car"

Thunderous, fast and remarkably bug-free, the much-delayed land speed record car lives



In the beginning, we thought this might be a bit of an anti-climax. It's nine years, more or less to the day, since the Bloodhound SSC team announced its intention to set a "limit of known technology" land speed record of 1,000mph. They were aiming, back then, at 2011-12 yet here they were at last, years late, running their 18-metre orange and blue creation down the runway of Cornwall Airport. At just 20 per cent of the planned record speed, it travelled only a bit faster than the landing speed of the bucket-and-spade Airbuses that had been arriving all morning.


That was before the 4,000 people - all of them sponsors, or financial supporters, or friends on this first day - showed up, along with the big interview screen, the burger vans and the hospitality tents. It was also before the man in the cockpit, Wing Commander Andy Green ("I'm a driver - this is a race car") explained that today's two runs were about the most technically exacting the car would ever do. Why? Because on Newquay's 1.6-mile runway (closed for this exercise for just an hour) doing 200mph was a considerable challenge. Luckily, he said, the car had proven remarkably bug-free in early runs at less than half the speed.

Even on a 200mph run, he explained, there's a lot for the driver to do. On jet-only power, he has to be careful not to feed full noise straight away, but to wait for a decent flow into the air intake. Then it's maximum acceleration (with full reheat around 40mph) allowing the car to achieve its target 200mph in about eight seconds.


Trouble is, this all-digital car suffers both throttle and brake lag. It keeps accelerating for 2.5 seconds after you've lifted, using up another 400 metres of track, and the race-bred carbon brakes (which function best at 800C) take a similar time to heat from cold. So to get the job done you have to get off the throttle around 130mph - not minding that it keeps right on accelerating - and feather the brakes to warm them so they'll stop as intended. It's a skill test, he explained, but he was ready.

The crowd assembled in special areas, surprisingly close to the runway. The engine fired slowly and then the car rolled away, surprisingly quickly. Green did a slow, full circuit of the perimeter tracks before lining up on the main runway, pausing for only a few seconds to build up to full power (amid thunderous old-school jet noise). Then he let her go. After a few seconds he selected reheat, complete with a long, fierce-looking yellow trail of flame from the jet. Today, Green had only 9 tonnes of thrust to deploy, which sounds plenty, but to achieve 1,000mph he'll need 20 tonnes of combined jet and rocket thrust. After two noisy, full power passes, Green parked the car and submitted to the first of many interviews, already hoarse-voiced from all the talking he'd done before driving.


The crowd loved it all, and the car seemed packed with potential. It first achieved about 202mph, then 210mph in barely a third of the runway, building brake temperatures to the desired 800C and doing its stuff without complaint. "Today we ran for 21.5 minutes and turned this car, designed for two minute record runs, into a drag racer," he said. "It took all that without any complaint. We couldn't have hoped for better."

Green talked a lot more - he always does. One of his best quips came in answer to a daft question about visibility from the cockpit, which seemed restricted. "It's fine," he told the questioner, "all I have to do is look straight ahead... You only look sideways if you're likely to be overtaken - but that's never going be a problem in this car."

Steve Cropley

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British Beef

Original Poster:

2,213 posts

165 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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Bonkers, I still struggle to get my head around attempting 1000 mph in a car on land (salt).

Best of Luck to the team!!

Tri_Doc

572 posts

134 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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Not sure i'd want to drive at 1000mph if it took 2.5seconds for the car to react to any 'driver' inputs. I hope he has a solid life insurance policy. Good luck to them - unbelievable engineering in this project.

swisstoni

16,985 posts

279 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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Kids have grown up while this thing has been developed. Still, if they get there it'll be a fantastic achievement.

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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The Daily Mash has even picked up on the story

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/science-technol...

v8250

2,724 posts

211 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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Have been following this project since the very early days...meeting some of the team, early days lectures at Brooklands with the RAe and others...first met Richard Noble in 1984 and have followed his/team's incredible work ever since. The technical detail & CFD calcs for Bloodhound are truly, truly mind blowing. We can but have the highest respect for these guys and girls in getting this far on a project that, at many times, has been near to financial collapse. We need more folk like Noble, Green & Co..."For Britain and the hell of it..." I for one can't wait to see this on Saturday in Newquay...who else is going?

canucklehead

416 posts

146 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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Awesome to see it running! Can't wait for the record attempt!

Brits still do LSR better than everyone else: Eldridge, Segrave, Thomas, Campbell, Cobb, Eyston, Campbell, Noble, Green...... oh I know we let the Yanks play with it for a while in the '60s, but 1000mph, if achieved, will stand for a while. After all, Mach 1 has already lasted 20 years.

F1GTRUeno

6,354 posts

218 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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Absolutely need more people attempting stuff like this just to see how far we can push boundaries.

ChocolateFrog

25,295 posts

173 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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I love the notion of 'well we've given the rest of the world 20 years to catch up, if they can't do it lets show them again'.

I heard talk of 1000mph being close to the absolute limit on land. Wonder how much truth there is in that? I guess space could be the limiting factor.

tumble dryer

2,016 posts

127 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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Something to ponder on, and to appreciate the reality of 1000 mph....

https://www.google.co.uk/search?source=hp&ei=s...

and

https://www.google.co.uk/search?ei=8h7yWc6WF4jyatr...

yikes

Admiration beyond words....

v8250

2,724 posts

211 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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ChocolateFrog said:
I guess space could be the limiting factor.
indeed, it is...

http://www.bloodhoundssc.com/news/performance-curv...

and drag

http://www.bloodhoundssc.com/news/drag

grumpy52

5,579 posts

166 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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And the designer is 85 and looks like the bloke in the corner down the pub !
This is not his first record breaker .
It's all Boys Own stuff and I love it , just like the books I had a Christmas as a lad .
The membership certificate hangs in the hallway and told my dear old mum who hated speed that her name was going on the fastest car in the world .

sdiggle

182 posts

90 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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Was lucky enough to get my sons name on the tail for his first xmas present. He's 8 now and I've followed it all the way. Can't wait for the attempt next year!

treetops

1,177 posts

158 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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I'm sure I read somewhere that a Jag v8 engine kicks in to give it the extra it needs. Or did I imagine that???


Cold

15,246 posts

90 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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treetops said:
I'm sure I read somewhere that a Jag v8 engine kicks in to give it the extra it needs. Or did I imagine that???
You imagined that. I believe the Jaguar engine is being used as a fluid pump. Bloodhound APU

Yaaan

58 posts

113 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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Went down to see this today. A good day out and great to see it up and running at last!

The V8 is just for the fuel pump I believe, although apparently they’re looking at replacing it with electric as it’ll allow some easier repackaging. I think I like the idea of having a V8 fuel pump!!

ChocolateFrog

25,295 posts

173 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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treetops said:
I'm sure I read somewhere that a Jag v8 engine kicks in to give it the extra it needs. Or did I imagine that???
Used as a fuel pump for the HTP.

PurpleTurtle

6,985 posts

144 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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I watched the live feed of both runs online at lunchtime, great to see and hear it spool up and let rip, albeit with only a fraction of the eventual power.

Likewise I've followed Thrust 2/Thrust SSC for many years. Andy Green strikes me as a man so laid back he's probably got a resting heart rate of about 15bpm!

Yipper

5,964 posts

90 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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The Americans are about to deliver the first 300mph road car.

Be amazing if the Brits can get the first 1000mph off-road car.

Zad

12,698 posts

236 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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119 page thread here https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

PH'er IN51GHT is one of the core team of engineers designing and building it, he's posted lots of pics and info on the project.

Buzz84

1,145 posts

149 months

Friday 27th October 2017
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treetops said:
I'm sure I read somewhere that a Jag v8 engine kicks in to give it the extra it needs. Or did I imagine that???
To be fair, that was exactly how the BBC was reporting it yesterday. though its now been corrected on the page to say the V8 drives the fuel pump for the rocket