RE: Racing a Citroen C1 at Spa

RE: Racing a Citroen C1 at Spa

Tuesday 31st October 2017

Racing a Citroen C1 at Spa

How driving through the night opened Matt P's eyes to the true potential of Citroen's citycar



Driving coach Rob Wilson talks about racing "becoming a craft" when you get good at it. Once you understand the physics of driving, what will make a car fast and what won't, you can work on this craft, patiently, to go quicker.

Which is fine if, like Wilson, you're a driver who's competed in Nascar, at Le Mans or around Daytona, or you're one of the drivers - up to and including those in F1 - who have called on his training. What happens in microseconds can become a craft if you're equipped to deal with it.

And if you're not quite up to speed? Welcome to the Citroen C1 Racing Club.


The C1 Racing Club was born, if not out of frustration with, then as a result of, the modern limitations of Citroen 2CV racing. It used to be one of the cheapest forms of motorsport around but even the newest 2CV is decades old these days, and running and maintaining a race example is getting - by hobby standards, if not by those of motor racing - expensive. So a few devotees decided they'd put a C1 together instead and see how it went as a racing car.

Slowly, was the answer. But cheaply. So here we are.

You'll know the C1. Or you'll have seen it. Mechanically identical to the Peugoet 107 and Toyota Aygo (though the club only allows Citroens in for now), it's a city car, built from 2005 onwards, which could be had with three or five doors. The Club uses the 3dr version and alterations to turn it into a bona fide race car are limited. The phrase "no modifications" features in the standard regulations no less than 15 times.


Sure, every car can be stripped of its interior trim and carpets, but mostly only so that safety equipment can be fitted. The dashboard, including a working radio and handbrake, must be retained. The wiring loom, engine, exhaust, gearbox, glass and even window winders have to be as standard, and each car must be MOT'd. There's a minimum driver-aboard weight limit of 910kg, which most drivers will add ballast to get up to.

Power, wait for it - and you'll have to - is 68hp, delivered to the front wheels via a five-speed gearbox, the fifth gear of which you'll probably never need on a race track. No, you can't modify the engine. No, you can't mod the intake. No, you can't remove the catalyst.

What you can - and will - do, is make a few changes to the suspension, shimming the rear to adjust toe angle, fitting strut braces if you like, and adding a club-supplied lower front wishbone, which puts more rubber to the road; although again, the terms are relative.


Does it all sound suitably daft? It might, but the idea has struck an uncanny chord. The Club had its first races this year, and already there are more than 80 cars completed or in-build. Because, all-in, you could be looking at having a fully-prepped racing car for under £3,000. The Club recently announced a 24-hour race at Rockingham next May. A week later, the grid was full, after 70 cars had signed up.

Sounds like a lot, does it not, 70 cars around Rockingham? It probably is, but then, it is manageable. And I know this because last week I climbed into a racing C1 at Spa Francorchamps, alongside 107 other cars - around half of them 2CVs or curious derivatives thereof, another half or so C1s, and a couple of old Minis - and we all fitted. For 24 hours.


This remarkable feat is, I suspect, because the speed differentials are not that huge. Unlike classic endurance racing, where an LMP1 car may well be on circuit with GTE cars, or Britcar where a Ferrari F430 might be on track with a Volkswagen Beetle, the C1 and its ilk are all similarly, well, how to put it ... slow.

An F1 car will lap Spa in around 1m 46s, at an average speed of 147mph. A C1 can only dream of 147mph, and wants almost two minutes more to complete a lap. An average of 75mph, then, would have a C1 writing postcards home. So there is time to think about what you're catching, or what is catching you, and that makes 108 cars fit into 4.3 miles quite easily.

And, now I read it again, an average of 75mph over a lap doesn't sound so bad, does it? It sounds, dare I say it, exciting. Dear reader, it is.


It doesn't matter how thrilling a road car is, racing at Spa in the dark, even with 68hp, is absolutely brilliant. At one point I was talking to two blokes, who between them have three Porsche Carrera GTs, and they thought it was pretty exciting too. I drove for two hours from dusk and it was - and I kid you not, here - one of the very best drives I've ever had in 20 years of writing about cars.

What is the car like? It may not be very quick, but turning in to Eau Rouge at 90mph in the dark and the rain, with wipers smearing water relatively ineffectively across windscreen oil and filth, only a few inches from another car, it all felt real enough to me. Besides, the suspension changes mean that there's some chassis adjustability to the C1, too. The steering remains pretty uncommunicative, the brakes are superb, the gearshift light and the engine revvy. And even on a big, senior circuit, it's great fun. There are places at Spa where you have to take a deep breath before turning in flat, places where you have to brake heavily, and places where - obviously - your foot is pressed so hard to the floor that you emerge from a stint with an aching right calf.


I shan't bore you with how I got on, suffice it to say we finished mid-class and I didn't put a dent on it, which I always count as a decent day's work.

But two things stand out for me: one, is that Rob Wilson was right, and that driving is a craft - you have a lot of time to consider how right or otherwise you're getting it behind the wheel of a C1. The other is just how much fun this unlikely racing car is, to the extent that my old VW Baja Beetle will shortly be for sale, and that I intend to find myself part of a very large C1 racing grid next year.

Read a PHer's exploits here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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sgtBerbatov

Original Poster:

2,597 posts

81 months

Tuesday 31st October 2017
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I managed to get my 107 to 114mph on the autobahn once, going down hill.

They are fantastic little cars, they're very much like go-karts and can be very nippy when you thrash them. I might get myself a C1 and join this, it looks like brilliant fun.

andy97

4,703 posts

222 months

Tuesday 31st October 2017
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The clubs 24 hour race at Rockingham in May 2018 was sold out in days with 25 reserves. So much interest that there is a plan for a second 24 hour race later in the year.

Some of the participants at Spa included experienced Britcar teams - you may think that represents a bit of a come down for them, but they recognise could racing and the satisfaction and significant challenge of completing a 24 hour race.

A bunch of my mates and I have a car in build and an entry in for May. Looking forward to it.

PeterY27

144 posts

106 months

Tuesday 31st October 2017
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I was in car 370 at Spa and having raced a variety of things since 2006 this has to be one of the best races I have ever done! We built our first car for Spa and i’ve just bought a second ready to build for next year as I have so many friends and customers wanting to do the race!

Trikster

823 posts

202 months

Tuesday 31st October 2017
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Loving this idea - probably missed the boat considering how popular it already seems but will investigate further - Mrs Trickster and I are looking for something 'cheap' where we can both compete - my only fear is she'll be faster than me (I'll put it down to too many mince pies on my part!)

Jerry Can

4,454 posts

223 months

Tuesday 31st October 2017
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some costs please..

not the cost of the car, but if i wanted to rent a drive in the 24 hours how much wonga do i need to lay down?

J4CKO

41,530 posts

200 months

Tuesday 31st October 2017
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I am quite enjoying commuting in ours, they are pretty good though I think they could have been epic with,

A bit more power (100 bhp would be plenty)
More sensible gearing without the huge gaps
Grippier Seats
Firmer suspension
Slightly wider tyres
And get rid of the daft lump behind the accelerator (not me by the way)



Beanbob

171 posts

90 months

Tuesday 31st October 2017
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I had one for a couple of years in 2012. Great cars, although I echo what the above poster said!

Don't flame me, but I always used to see them as what the BMW era MINI should have been.

Faffmeister

23 posts

105 months

Tuesday 31st October 2017
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Was truly an 'emotional' weekend. I can testify to how tough the cars are............!

J4CKO

41,530 posts

200 months

Tuesday 31st October 2017
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Beanbob said:
I had one for a couple of years in 2012. Great cars, although I echo what the above poster said!

Don't flame me, but I always used to see them as what the BMW era MINI should have been.
I think its not a case of what the Mini should have been, the Mini has been very successful but is a premium product where the original was a cheap and cheerful small car with some ground breaking design.

Not sure the C1/Aygo/107 involved much new design, but what it did do was, as near as possible given modern legislation, replicate and improve on the recipe the original Mini provided, now we see the original Mini as the cute, funky, 60s icon and most left are Coopers or modified but the reality for most Minis was boggo spec 850's, Clubman estates and various iffy special editions, they were everywhere as daily transport, like the C1/Aygo/107 is today.





jeremyc

23,453 posts

284 months

Tuesday 31st October 2017
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See Mark Benson's build thread and race report here. thumbup

Harveybw1984

129 posts

94 months

Tuesday 31st October 2017
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I was at this as my brother was racing with the car entered under Neil Garner's team so I went along for the beer.

Everyone was getting out of the car saying it was the most fun they'd had in a car in ages. These were guys who race Ferraris/Caterhams on the weekend, and more than one BTCC driver. The racing was pretty close and was total carnage, not one car came back in straight from what I saw.

It was a great weekend and makes me want to get a C1 to join the series. Looked a right hoot.

Willo26

84 posts

109 months

Tuesday 31st October 2017
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I'm going to read into this! I'm greatly interested!

Debaser

5,814 posts

261 months

Tuesday 31st October 2017
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This looks like such good fun

carylwills

72 posts

211 months

Tuesday 31st October 2017
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Jerry Can said:
some costs please..

not the cost of the car, but if i wanted to rent a drive in the 24 hours how much wonga do i need to lay down?
The following relates to Spa in 2017. I think many drives were available at about £2500 per driver. Some of those include accommodation in a B&B for Friday night, most include full catering for the Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Extras include testing on Friday should you want it. Everything else is included - fuel, tyres, brake pads, mechanics, refuelling team, catering, entry fees, getting the car to and from the circuit etc.

aaron_2000

5,407 posts

83 months

Tuesday 31st October 2017
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Could you remap it? A.) would a map even really add any power and B.) would they check/know if you had?

wst

3,494 posts

161 months

Tuesday 31st October 2017
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aaron_2000 said:
Could you remap it? A.) would a map even really add any power and B.) would they check/know if you had?
I suspect if you were significantly quicker on the straights it would be noticed.

Ian974

2,939 posts

199 months

Tuesday 31st October 2017
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I've been contemplating a racing licence and building a car up for 2018 or 19. Both are achievable, but considering how quickly the Rockingham race got filled and a big reserve list, I'm not sure there's much point in building a car at this stage!
If I get a licence sorted out I'll be keeping an eye out for available seats at some of the UK races next year to build up to a 24h race.

aaron_2000

5,407 posts

83 months

Wednesday 1st November 2017
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wst said:
suspect if you were significantly quicker on the straights it would be noticed.
Good point, would ruin the fun nature of it anyway.

andy97

4,703 posts

222 months

Wednesday 1st November 2017
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Ian974 said:
I've been contemplating a racing licence and building a car up for 2018 or 19. Both are achievable, but considering how quickly the Rockingham race got filled and a big reserve list, I'm not sure there's much point in building a car at this stage!
If I get a licence sorted out I'll be keeping an eye out for available seats at some of the UK races next year to build up to a 24h race.
There are other races in the Calendar. I don't know what the plans are for 2018 yet, but this year had 3 hour races at Snetterton, Cadwell and Pembrey, as well as the invite to the 24 hour race at Spa, so plenty of opportunities to race.

andy97

4,703 posts

222 months

Wednesday 1st November 2017
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aaron_2000 said:
Could you remap it? A.) would a map even really add any power and B.) would they check/know if you had?
If a car appears to be performing better than would be expected, then the organisers reserve the right to insist on you swapping engines with one from their spares truck! It's in the series regs.