RE: Mercedes-AMG E63 wagon at the 'ring: Time for Tea

RE: Mercedes-AMG E63 wagon at the 'ring: Time for Tea

Thursday 9th November 2017

Mercedes-AMG E63 wagon at the 'ring: Time for Tea?

Faster than a 599 and swifter than a Superleggera - the E63 Estate lays down a phenomenal Nordschleife lap



Forgive us if this is all a little tedious now, but seeing new cars hurled around the Nordschleife by Christian Gebhardt in seven minutes something still holds considerable appeal. Particularly when said car shouldn't really be there, like a Mercedes estate.

Yes, of course a lot of work has been put into ensuring the E63 can hold its own on a circuit; it's still hard to imagine, however, many buyers tackling a track day in their £100K family estate. The AMG GT R that Sport Auto recently tested, yes; the AMG wagon rather less probable.

Which makes watching the lap all the more fascinating. This is a two-tonne car, after all, and there's no way something so heavy should be capable of lapping the Nurburgring in 7:45. But it certainly does, in a captivating display of V8 blare and tyre squeal.

Actually, that's harsh on the AMG, because it does a laudable job of containing its mass and seems to turn in pretty well. Let's just say it makes up time lost in the slower bends by annihilating the following straights. Sometimes it looks like a Legoland version of the track, the straights seemingly shrunken to child size by that mighty 4.0-litre V8.

A couple of points to note before you consume the vid. See how driver Gebhardt seldom uses the gearshift paddles, preferring to rely predominantly on the most aggressive automatic setting. And as for a top speed, 270km/h shows on the run to Schwedenkreuz but sadly the GPS recorder throws a wobbly after Pflanzgarten so we're not sure about the Dottinger-Hohe; how about another attempt lads?

Watch the video here.

[Source: NurburgringLapTimes]

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Roma101

Original Poster:

450 posts

77 months

Thursday 9th November 2017
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Meh. I know it weighs two tonnes etc, but it has over 600 hp and is only slightly faster than the fastest hot hatches. Perhaps I am naive, but I would have expected more from it.

Wonderman

83 posts

125 months

Thursday 9th November 2017
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"I do zat time in a van! Oh...I zee you were using a van..."


AdamT

2,792 posts

182 months

Thursday 9th November 2017
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Roma101 said:
Meh. I know it weighs two tonnes etc, but it has over 600 hp and is only slightly faster than the fastest hot hatches. Perhaps I am naive, but I would have expected more from it.
I'd say that if you are comparing this time with Manufacturers lap records then you are being a touch naïve. Christian Gebhardt (the journo driver) is a really talented bloke, but is not factory driver calibre and nor will he be going full banzai as Sport Auto don’t like crashing cars lent to them by manufacturers. Also the lap record times will be invariably using semi slick tyres, not the (albeit brilliant) Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S tyre that is standard for the W213 E63S.

Best to look at this time in comparison with other Sport Auto Super Test times which are typically around 10-15s slower than the equivalent manufacturer time. Of interest the Sport Auto time (way back in 2001) for the 996 GT2 is 7:46 and the 997.1 GT3 RS time was 7:48.

rtz62

1,422 posts

85 months

Thursday 9th November 2017
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Can’t tell from the limited screen size on my piephone, but is that in full automatic mode, rather than use of the flappy paddles?
Impressive for such a behemoth but then again, I’d expect something special for a nigh-on £100k German shepherd transporter...

Ares

6,097 posts

50 months

Thursday 9th November 2017
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Impressive, but only 5secs quicker than the £60k Alfa SUV....
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DeolTheBeast

428 posts

76 months

Thursday 9th November 2017
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Ares said:
Impressive, but only 5secs quicker than the £60k Alfa SUV....
Repeat that back to yourself...

It's all just nonsense....cars that won't ever be ragged around the 'ring being capable of impossibly fast times (for the type of car) ... oh and they all cost a sh*t ton

Ares

6,097 posts

50 months

Thursday 9th November 2017
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DeolTheBeast said:
Ares said:
Impressive, but only 5secs quicker than the £60k Alfa SUV....
Repeat that back to yourself...

It's all just nonsense....cars that won't ever be ragged around the 'ring being capable of impossibly fast times (for the type of car) ... oh and they all cost a sh*t ton
It is, but it's also a benchmark.

And £60k is no longer a lot, or a st ton (what ever that is?)

DeolTheBeast

428 posts

76 months

Thursday 9th November 2017
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Ares said:
DeolTheBeast said:
Ares said:
Impressive, but only 5secs quicker than the £60k Alfa SUV....
Repeat that back to yourself...

It's all just nonsense....cars that won't ever be ragged around the 'ring being capable of impossibly fast times (for the type of car) ... oh and they all cost a sh*t ton
It is, but it's also a benchmark.

And £60k is no longer a lot, or a st ton (what ever that is?)
Dunno what world 60k isn't "a lot" ...

Gandahar

5,325 posts

58 months

Thursday 9th November 2017
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Lets make a wager

Who thinks a newly married 25 year old who is keen on cars can lap quicker in an AMG 45 than his 50+ year old father in law in an E63 estate who has a lot of money?

Cars are only as fast nowadays, with modern tyres, as the bravery / youthful stupidity of the drivers.

Statistically speaking..... I know there are some exceptional middle aged drivers out there. But they are in the minority given who buys this car.

It's just completely pointless.


Edited by Gandahar on Thursday 9th November 19:59

xjay1337

10,344 posts

48 months

Thursday 9th November 2017
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Gandahar said:
Lets make a wager

Who thinks a newly married 25 year old who is keen on cars can lap quicker in an AMG 45 than his 50+ year old father in law in an E63 estate who has a lot of money?

Cars are only as fast nowadays, with modern tyres, as the bravery / youthful stupidity of the drivers.

Statistically speaking..... I know there are some exceptional middle aged drivers out there. But they are in the minority given who buys this car.

It's just completely pointless.


Edited by Gandahar on Thursday 9th November 19:59
Yes to a point

You cannot argue with mass however.

Chestrockwell

683 posts

87 months

Thursday 9th November 2017
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Not sure why people are surprised at him not using the paddles, now I’m no expert but I never use the paddles on my Bmw, there’s just so many ratios (8 speed auto) and you just find yourself changing up and down so many times it’s quite frustrating, I just let the car do it for me, in sport plus mode with the gearbox in sport, you really can’t fault it!

Now my car is a diesel and obviously it’s not even remotely comparable to an AMG but with 9 ratios in the benz, I’m fairly certain that unless you’re a pro racing driver who has studied the car in and out, the sportiest gearbox setting would make your lap faster than you shifting yourself.

.....it is a 9 speed auto right?

Ares

6,097 posts

50 months

Thursday 9th November 2017
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DeolTheBeast said:
Ares said:
DeolTheBeast said:
Ares said:
Impressive, but only 5secs quicker than the £60k Alfa SUV....
Repeat that back to yourself...

It's all just nonsense....cars that won't ever be ragged around the 'ring being capable of impossibly fast times (for the type of car) ... oh and they all cost a sh*t ton
It is, but it's also a benchmark.

And £60k is no longer a lot, or a st ton (what ever that is?)
Dunno what world 60k isn't "a lot" ...
The world of 500bhp cars doing sub 8min 'ring times?

NITO

445 posts

136 months

Friday 10th November 2017
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I’m not surprised at the lack of paddle use, the AMG speedshift is superb, the moment you are lifting/slowing it pops crackles and will gladly shift down a couple of gears. I have a CLS63S AMG Shooting Brake and it is a phenomenal piece of kit that handles its weight surprisingly well. The steering is also incredibly communicative. Unlike this new E-class and the continental CLS, the UK car is purely RWD nevertheless it is very agile.

As part of the AMG experience you get a driving day at Brooklands ragging the same car around their tight circuit. It’s quite an eye opener how much you can lean on these big estates, where they can’t hide their weight is in the tyres, which really take a pounding. The brakes have excellent fade resistance and haul you up everytime, as they should for their size!




dinkel

24,562 posts

188 months

Friday 10th November 2017
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Ares said:
Impressive, but only 5secs quicker than the £60k Alfa SUV....
The most impressive thing is: he holds both hands on the wheel, no need to shift.

Fetchez la vache

5,053 posts

144 months

Friday 10th November 2017
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Ares said:
Impressive, but only 5secs quicker than the £60k Alfa SUV....
...that was driven by Fabio Francia, on slicks.

GranCab

1,139 posts

76 months

Friday 10th November 2017
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Fetchez la vache said:
Ares said:
Impressive, but only 5secs quicker than the £60k Alfa SUV....
...that was driven by Fabio Francia, on slicks.
... and timed using a 1970's Veglia Borletti stopwatch ... probably smile

Icehanger

249 posts

152 months

Friday 10th November 2017
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Gandahar said:
Lets make a wager

Who thinks a newly married 25 year old who is keen on cars can lap quicker in an AMG 45 than his 50+ year old father in law in an E63 estate who has a lot of money?

Cars are only as fast nowadays, with modern tyres, as the bravery / youthful stupidity of the drivers.


Edited by Gandahar on Thursday 9th November 19:59
or my 70 year old Father in Law who thinks his VRS Skoda is the fastest thing in the world and goes out racing people, stupidity doesn't get close

popeyewhite

6,571 posts

50 months

Friday 10th November 2017
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GranCab said:
Fetchez la vache said:
Ares said:
Impressive, but only 5secs quicker than the £60k Alfa SUV....
...that was driven by Fabio Francia, on slicks.
... and timed using a 1970's Veglia Borletti stopwatch ... probably smile
...which looked nice and did the job but kept falling to pieces...

krismccloy

131 posts

79 months

Friday 10th November 2017
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Impressive for a 2 tonne estate albeit a close lap time to a Honda Civic and similar to a VW Golf.

Edited by krismccloy on Friday 10th November 11:22

xjay1337

10,344 posts

48 months

Friday 10th November 2017
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Icehanger said:
or my 70 year old Father in Law who thinks his VRS Skoda is the fastest thing in the world and goes out racing people, stupidity doesn't get close
laugh

"st old people do".