DAMAGED REPAIRED CHIMAERA
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HI
There is a Chimaera advertised here and on EBay which I recently put a deposit on.When I HPIvchecked the car she came back as damage REPAIRED.I informed the owner who claimed he had no knowledge of this and refunded my money.The car is advertised again with no mention of the damage .I have informed EBay what should aim do here.He also claims to be a private seller which he is not
Regards Wes
There is a Chimaera advertised here and on EBay which I recently put a deposit on.When I HPIvchecked the car she came back as damage REPAIRED.I informed the owner who claimed he had no knowledge of this and refunded my money.The car is advertised again with no mention of the damage .I have informed EBay what should aim do here.He also claims to be a private seller which he is not
Regards Wes
If the seller is a trader then it is an offence not to disclose the Cat C or D rating.
http://www.lawgistics.co.uk/legal-article-business...
As it is a Trading Standards issue, that is who should be informed. There should also be a marker on the front of the registration document at the bottom with the insurance issue.
http://www.lawgistics.co.uk/legal-article-business...
As it is a Trading Standards issue, that is who should be informed. There should also be a marker on the front of the registration document at the bottom with the insurance issue.
The entry on the V5c is for a car that was cat C.
A cat D repaired car is the lowest category and doesn't require a check after repair, so it is not on the V5c.
The 'marker' will appear on an HPI check. Or, a cheap way, start the process of selling a car on Autotrader using the car's reg number. it will highlight in the description if it is cat C / cat d and you can cancel the process without paying.
A cat D repaired car is the lowest category and doesn't require a check after repair, so it is not on the V5c.
The 'marker' will appear on an HPI check. Or, a cheap way, start the process of selling a car on Autotrader using the car's reg number. it will highlight in the description if it is cat C / cat d and you can cancel the process without paying.
I don't know when cat C / Cat D was invented, but my parents had a repaired Fiesta that had 'vehicle inspected' on the V5c from a repair in the year 2001. When I first made an insurance claim in the 1980s I don't remember hearing about cat C / cat D.
If the "cat C" didn't involve heavy damage than maybe it didn't require a VIC but that is usually the case to ensure the same car has been repaired. It's an identity check by the way, I'm not sure it's an inspection of the quality of repair.
It's changing anyway apparently!
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-new...
If the "cat C" didn't involve heavy damage than maybe it didn't require a VIC but that is usually the case to ensure the same car has been repaired. It's an identity check by the way, I'm not sure it's an inspection of the quality of repair.
It's changing anyway apparently!
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-new...
Steve_D said:
I have a car that I believe to be Cat C and an HPI check came back with the same info but the V5C does not mention it.
Does the Cat C expire over time meaning it no longer matters because it was a long time ago?
Steve
I was in a similar position with a 928 I bought privately. No mention on the V5c but the HPI showed it had been a complete write off in 1995. The seller claimed to be a private one but after contacting the previous owner who told me he had sold it cheap because it was a Cat C, the seller admitted he bought and sold cars 'privately' but maintained he did not know. He refused to refund me.Does the Cat C expire over time meaning it no longer matters because it was a long time ago?
Steve
The MOT was just a few days old so checked the car and found it had been given a certificate without being tested - too many issues to list here - so reported it to Dept of Transport. Car was re-tested by them and garage issuing was suspended. Police became involved and as if by magic the seller refunded me fully.
Lesson learned to HPI first
I asked the DOT man why it was not on the V5c and he said that if the insurance company 'forgot' to tell DVLA then it would not be listed. He did say that with insurance companies now all being linked that this would be much rarer now.
I'm not being funny but the asking price of the Chimaera in the advert should have alerted you to the fact that something wasn't quite right. It is extremely rare nowadays for a Chimaera to be low mileage and under £10k unless there is a good reason.
Doesn't excuse the dealer not declaring it though!
Caveat Emptor!
Doesn't excuse the dealer not declaring it though!
Caveat Emptor!
PH ad says contact dealer.
Must admit to looking at that ad or rather the ebay one and thinking prices were dropping. Or I could buy that one and sell my current one for what I think it's worth...
Love the colour (like my first one) and later wheels but made me think it was a bitza along with the grille which is awful.
As said above, the price is low for a reason.
Must admit to looking at that ad or rather the ebay one and thinking prices were dropping. Or I could buy that one and sell my current one for what I think it's worth...
Love the colour (like my first one) and later wheels but made me think it was a bitza along with the grille which is awful.
As said above, the price is low for a reason.
Looks like a Tidy car to me for well under 10k. What were you expecting?
Far better to have a car recorded than the many out there which have had the same repairs and are not recorded??
There are 2 types of car owners.. Those that understand what cars are and how they go together and those that avoid cat C or D cars like the plague. as with all cars. do your research and buyer be ware... Personally though it doesn't look like a bad car especially if it has had an outrigger replacement...
I really struggle with this whole cat c and d issue?? I have a Cat C T350. which doubtless will always have a stigma attached to it for some... Similarly I have restored 2 complete Pre-80's cars from nothing more than a Pile of Scrap. yet no one views these with the Stigma that the T350 has??? I dream of a day where engineers will rule the world again rather than the keyboard warrior??
N.
Far better to have a car recorded than the many out there which have had the same repairs and are not recorded??
There are 2 types of car owners.. Those that understand what cars are and how they go together and those that avoid cat C or D cars like the plague. as with all cars. do your research and buyer be ware... Personally though it doesn't look like a bad car especially if it has had an outrigger replacement...
I really struggle with this whole cat c and d issue?? I have a Cat C T350. which doubtless will always have a stigma attached to it for some... Similarly I have restored 2 complete Pre-80's cars from nothing more than a Pile of Scrap. yet no one views these with the Stigma that the T350 has??? I dream of a day where engineers will rule the world again rather than the keyboard warrior??
N.
Dollyman1850 said:
Looks like a Tidy car to me for well under 10k. What were you expecting?
Far better to have a car recorded than the many out there which have had the same repairs and are not recorded??
There are 2 types of car owners.. Those that understand what cars are and how they go together and those that avoid cat C or D cars like the plague. as with all cars. do your research and buyer be ware... Personally though it doesn't look like a bad car especially if it has had an outrigger replacement...
I really struggle with this whole cat c and d issue?? I have a Cat C T350. which doubtless will always have a stigma attached to it for some... Similarly I have restored 2 complete Pre-80's cars from nothing more than a Pile of Scrap. yet no one views these with the Stigma that the T350 has??? I dream of a day where engineers will rule the world again rather than the keyboard warrior??
N.
Well said!Far better to have a car recorded than the many out there which have had the same repairs and are not recorded??
There are 2 types of car owners.. Those that understand what cars are and how they go together and those that avoid cat C or D cars like the plague. as with all cars. do your research and buyer be ware... Personally though it doesn't look like a bad car especially if it has had an outrigger replacement...
I really struggle with this whole cat c and d issue?? I have a Cat C T350. which doubtless will always have a stigma attached to it for some... Similarly I have restored 2 complete Pre-80's cars from nothing more than a Pile of Scrap. yet no one views these with the Stigma that the T350 has??? I dream of a day where engineers will rule the world again rather than the keyboard warrior??
N.
Categorising a car as a C or D is a purely commercial decision taken by the insurer; the clue is the 'uneconomical to repair' bit, ie uneconomical for the insurer to repair commercially.
In my view it should be possible to have the category lifted once an engineer's report deems it to have been properly repaired.
In my view it should be possible to have the category lifted once an engineer's report deems it to have been properly repaired.
Yes and this was the problem. The stepdaughter's car was written off Cat C so I bought it from the insurance company. Got all the parts and repaired it. Took it for a VIC check and that was a waste of time. Simply checking the chassis number to prevent 'ringing' is all well and good but does not examine the car to ensure the repairs are properly done. VIC checks have been abolished I think now.
Even if a motor engineer with lots of letters after his name examines and passes a Cat C and said car is involved in a crash, who will be liable for any defects found? Easy to hide poor welding and repairs and plenty lawyers out there ready to make a few quid. This is a complicated subject.
Even if a motor engineer with lots of letters after his name examines and passes a Cat C and said car is involved in a crash, who will be liable for any defects found? Easy to hide poor welding and repairs and plenty lawyers out there ready to make a few quid. This is a complicated subject.
N7GTX said:
Yes and this was the problem. The stepdaughter's car was written off Cat C so I bought it from the insurance company. Got all the parts and repaired it. Took it for a VIC check and that was a waste of time. Simply checking the chassis number to prevent 'ringing' is all well and good but does not examine the car to ensure the repairs are properly done. VIC checks have been abolished I think now.
Even if a motor engineer with lots of letters after his name examines and passes a Cat C and said car is involved in a crash, who will be liable for any defects found? Easy to hide poor welding and repairs and plenty lawyers out there ready to make a few quid. This is a complicated subject.
it really isn't !!Even if a motor engineer with lots of letters after his name examines and passes a Cat C and said car is involved in a crash, who will be liable for any defects found? Easy to hide poor welding and repairs and plenty lawyers out there ready to make a few quid. This is a complicated subject.
Cars are bits of fibreglass and steel tube.
So our car examiner friend wouldn't have a Cat C or D car??
I take it he wouldn't buy one that has had new outriggers? Or a restored car which has had chassis welding?
Is he sure his car is OK/ perhaps it is one of many which has been crashed and repaired but has no Marker.
like anything with 4 wheels and an engine. Look, assess and buy wisely.
I am running around in a T350, last of the line on an 05 plate with less than 6k miles from new at £15k under market value..
That puts a big smile on my face. Each to their own.
Like I said to some it will carry a Stigma. Others can see the benefits.
Buy wisely and Well and you too can have a grin as big as mine.
N.
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