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RE: Alfa Romeo 159 Q4: Spotted

RE: Alfa Romeo 159 Q4: Spotted

Sunday 10th December 2017

Alfa Romeo 159 Q4: Spotted

They say Christmas is about spending time with your family, so what better place to do it than in an Alfa?



You know how life goes - it's basically like a bloody Christmas TV advert. You're young, your parents look after you, you play, you're happy; then, you grow up, you get a job, you meet a partner, and you have children. Then you begin to spend an awful lot of money indeed...


You have to buy a car to suit your new lifestyle - the two-seater has to go, obviously. With all your new expenses, can you afford a decent family car though? An SUV? Sod off. If you have to drag your family around with you, and they won't fit inside your empty pockets, you'll at least choose a saloon car. A sporting saloon car, if possible, and preferably one with an Alfa badge.

We all loved the old 156 and you could see why. In its day it was a bit of a looker, even if it was a little more ordinary underneath. In fact it was no more a 'true' Alfa Romeo than my cat is, but to most that didn't matter - it had the badge and it looked great. Enter the 159, which looked, no, looks, absolutely stunning. The question of how it drives, or what it is, is no longer of any relevance unless you're mad - the thing to do now is to just go and buy one.


This lovely example is a 2007 car with 55,000 miles for £7,450, but even that is only telling half the story. Underneath its beautiful body it's a 3.2-litre V6 Q4, and to anyone who knows their Alfas that's a good thing, a very good thing. Try 260hp, 0-60mph in 7 seconds and four-wheel drive. That engine is a sonorous and responsive delight; the drive system is descended from the marvellous Delta Integrale and as a result the Q4 is wonderfully fluent through the bends. Inside is a leathery cocoon with room for your offspring (there's even Isofix), and there's a boot, too.

Oh, and did I mention the full service history and six months' warranty, and the 12-month MOT and comprehensive service? Well, what are you waiting for? Life is also painfully short, you know....


SPECIFICATION - ALFA ROMEO 159 Q4

Engine: 3,195cc, V6
Transmission: six-sppeed automatic, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 260@6,200rpm
Torque (lb ft): 237@4,500rpm
MPG: 24.6
CO2: 270g/km
First registered: 2007
Recorded mileage: 55,000miles
Price new: N/A
Yours for: £7,750

See the original advert here

 

 

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golfer19

Original Poster:

1,084 posts

58 months

Sunday 10th December 2017
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Very good looking car.
Maybe just me but might be a bit on the expensive side.

Phil Dicky

5,022 posts

188 months

Sunday 10th December 2017
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For sale by a dodgy dealer in Oldham with previous for clocking cars, now on his third company name by the looks, previous TCS then Thornham Cars I believe. Love it when PH supports unscrupulous dealers wasn't it Keighley Car Sales a few weeks ago rolleyes

Kringle

44 posts

17 months

Sunday 10th December 2017
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This reminds me of a thread where we shared red lines for when we buy a car.

A car listed without its numberplate on show is a good bye from me. Especially a dealer.

s m

15,733 posts

128 months

Sunday 10th December 2017
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Looks a bit cramped in the back in that photo - optical illusion?

FN2TypeR

4,013 posts

18 months

Sunday 10th December 2017
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article said:
Recorded mileage: 55,000miles
Of course yes
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brixo

14 posts

42 months

Sunday 10th December 2017
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Phil Dicky said:
For sale by a dodgy dealer in Oldham with previous for clocking cars, now on his third company name by the looks, previous TCS then Thornham Cars I believe. Love it when PH supports unscrupulous dealers wasn't it Keighley Car Sales a few weeks ago rolleyes
Out of interest, how did you go about finding this information out? I just a search on Companies House, but nothing there - where do you do your digging?

Just interested to find out when doing research if I purchase a future car...

thanks.

MDMA .

3,780 posts

26 months

Sunday 10th December 2017
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brixo said:
Phil Dicky said:
For sale by a dodgy dealer in Oldham with previous for clocking cars, now on his third company name by the looks, previous TCS then Thornham Cars I believe. Love it when PH supports unscrupulous dealers wasn't it Keighley Car Sales a few weeks ago rolleyes
Out of interest, how did you go about finding this information out? I just a search on Companies House, but nothing there - where do you do your digging?

Just interested to find out when doing research if I purchase a future car...

thanks.
This garage was/is well known about on Alfa forums.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/local-...

brixo

14 posts

42 months

Sunday 10th December 2017
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MDMA . said:
This garage was/is well known about on Alfa forums.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/local-...
Thanks for the heads up. Wow, just wow - "...Mr Kendall was a self-diagnosed dyslexic with large fingers that he described as ‘banana hands’..." - for some reason, I'm not buying that!

Unexpected Item In The Bagging Area

5,575 posts

114 months

Sunday 10th December 2017
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I love this quote from that article:

Josephine Scally, defending, said other people within the business were responsible for placing the advertisements because Mr Kendall was a self-diagnosed dyslexic with large fingers that he described as ‘banana hands’.

What a great excuse for being a st

Phil Dicky

5,022 posts

188 months

Sunday 10th December 2017
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brixo said:
MDMA . said:
This garage was/is well known about on Alfa forums.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/local-...
Thanks for the heads up. Wow, just wow - "...Mr Kendall was a self-diagnosed dyslexic with large fingers that he described as ‘banana hands’..." - for some reason, I'm not buying that!
I just don't get it, PH is for car enthusiasts and the site is promoting villains, first Keighley now this shower of st.....come on PH get the article pulled and get your act together !!!!!!

MDMA .

3,780 posts

26 months

Sunday 10th December 2017
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To be fair, True Alfa are a different company. Just trade from the same premises as TCS smile

Phil Dicky

5,022 posts

188 months

Sunday 10th December 2017
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MDMA . said:
To be fair, True Alfa are a different company. Just trade from the same premises as TCS smile
I agree, we are being very judgmental, True Alfa, I'm sure are a pukka company smile

brixo

14 posts

42 months

Sunday 10th December 2017
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Phil Dicky said:
I agree, we are being very judgmental, True Alfa, I'm sure are a pukka company smile
Coincidentally the AT reviews for True Alfa are all 5-star and mention a 'Matthew" a number of times and how great he is... Funny that!

givablondabone

2,263 posts

80 months

Sunday 10th December 2017
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How do these 3.2 V6s compare to the old Busso? They're a GM derived unit aren't they?

V88Dicky

6,058 posts

108 months

Sunday 10th December 2017
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I'd rather have this one;

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

Less miles, less money, red and a manual box. cloud9

Kierkegaard

748 posts

23 months

Sunday 10th December 2017
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givablondabone said:
How do these 3.2 V6s compare to the old Busso? They're a GM derived unit aren't they?
Not very well. It's chain driven, which you think will be more durable, but has a GM cost cutting design flaw that stretches it (same with the 2.2 4-pot). Less character and noise (in a good way).

As much as I love the look and interior of the 159 for this money get yourself a 3.2 busso 156 GTA or 166 (if you can find one) if you want an V6 Alfa Saloon. You don't really need 4wd anyway..

golfer19

Original Poster:

1,084 posts

58 months

Sunday 10th December 2017
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V88Dicky said:
I'd rather have this one;

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

Less miles, less money, red and a manual box. cloud9
Much better.

DrSteveBrule

1,411 posts

56 months

Sunday 10th December 2017
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FN2TypeR said:
article said:
Recorded mileage: 55,000miles
Of course yes
Quite possible; my 2007 Q4 had 59,000 when i bought it this year and a lot of the 3.2s have similar low miles. I would suggest they aren’t used for commuting or daily drivers.

This has been on sale for a few months now. It’s a niche market of buyers willing to spend money on a thirsty 10 year old Alfa that attracts £500 tax a year.

There’s useable but not a huge amount of room in back and the Q4s have a quirk where filling the petrol tank can prove troublesome due to the tank/prop shaft layout. Regular oil changes using the recommended oil are key to avoiding timing chain woes on this and the 2.2 engines.


Edited by DrSteveBrule on Sunday 10th December 11:03

wal 45

390 posts

105 months

Sunday 10th December 2017
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s m said:
Looks a bit cramped in the back in that photo - optical illusion?
From experience no it isn’t an optical illusion, they are pretty cramped for the size of car.

peter450

1,650 posts

158 months

Sunday 10th December 2017
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Kierkegaard said:
givablondabone said:
How do these 3.2 V6s compare to the old Busso? They're a GM derived unit aren't they?
Not very well. It's chain driven, which you think will be more durable, but has a GM cost cutting design flaw that stretches it (same with the 2.2 4-pot). Less character and noise (in a good way).

As much as I love the look and interior of the 159 for this money get yourself a 3.2 busso 156 GTA or 166 (if you can find one) if you want an V6 Alfa Saloon. You don't really need 4wd anyway..
This is not really correct. Yes their is an issue with the chains but this mostly seems to be down to the very long oil change service intervals (18000 miles I think) that mean the oil gets dirty and can block the narrow oil ways that lubricate the chains. Cars that have the oil changed more regularly don't seem to suffer these issues. Theirs plenty of cars that have not had these issues.

The engine in my view is pretty good, it does not look as nice as the busso under the bonnet (few engines do) but has lower service costs as there's no cambelt.

It's a much more modern design and produces more power and torque, it's very smooth and can be either quiet or loud depending on your exhaust choice, it does have a nice sound perhaps not quite up their with the busso but soundtracks are subjective things.

It's got more midrange were as the busso is a more rev it out design. Yes it's is based on a GM block with Alfa specifying the design of the heads which are very different to the GM ones. Overall I consider it a pretty good V6 it's a very very smooth unit and I've not had any issues with mine.

However the Busso is part of Alfa lore and although the GM derived unit is probably the easier engine to live with day to day and well ahead from a technical point of view, the busso is a legendary engine, the looks alone make it the one you'd want to see under the bonnet.

The downside of course is you need to get a 156/166 which means you miss out on the RWD biased 4 wheel drive + the far superior build of the 159. Never an easy choice with an Alfa I think that's why the new Guila 2.9 twin turbo has been so well received it's the first sporty Alfa that doesn't seem to have a compromise. RWD, Ferrari derive engine, great looks.