RE: What is a dump valve? PH Explains

RE: What is a dump valve? PH Explains

Wednesday 7th February 2018

What is a dump valve? PH Explains

Find out how and why a dump valve can improve the life of a turbocharger



A dump valve is a component used in turbocharger set-ups to increase the longevity of the turbocharger. The term dump valve, however, is also often used when discussing other different types of pressure relief systems - including recirculating bypass valves, which are typically used in factory installations to reduce unwanted noise as well as reduce the chance of turbo damage.

What does a dump valve do?

When a driver accelerates in a turbocharged petrol car, the turbocharger will start pressurising the air in the engine's intake system. This high-pressure air then moves past the open throttle blade in the throttle body, into the intake manifold and on into the engine.

If the driver then lifts off, however, this moving high-pressure air will slam into the now-closed throttle blade. Having nowhere else to go, it bounces back and tries to exit through the still-spinning compressor of the turbocharger. This produces a pronounced chattering or fluttering noise as the compressor chops through the air passing over it in the wrong direction.

Besides creating noise, this can generate erratic loads on the turbocharger's bearings and blades. While a turbocharged engine doesn't need a pressure relief system to function properly, these loadings can cause premature turbocharger wear or failure. Consequently, manufacturers fit systems to vent this pressurised air from the intake when necessary.

In factory applications, quiet recirculating valves - sometimes called diverters - are used; these redirect the high-pressure air back into the intake in front of the turbocharger. Aftermarket set-ups sometimes favour valves which vent to atmosphere - these being the type most associated with the term 'dump valve'. These generate a characteristic 'psssch' noise when operating.


How does a basic dump valve work?

These valves typically consist of a spring-loaded piston in a cylinder. The cylinder has an inlet at the top and bottom, and a discharge port in the middle. The bottom port is connected into the pipework between the turbocharger and the throttle body. The other port, at the top, is hooked into the intake system after the throttle body.

At idle, vacuum from behind the throttle tries to lift the valve's piston up - so the spring holds it closed to prevent unwanted leaks. Similarly, at low boost levels, the spring stops the piston shifting. When you're driving along at high boost, the pressure on either side of the throttle body is the same - so the pressure on each side of the valve's piston is the same and it remains closed.

If the throttle closes, however, there will be high boost pressure on the bottom of the piston and strong vacuum from behind the now-closed throttle on the top. The vacuum attempts to pull the piston upwards, while the high boost pressure also tries to push it upwards - and the combined force overpowers the valve's spring, causes the piston to move and the discharge port to be exposed. Excess pressure is then vented, either to the atmosphere or back into the intake system, at which point the valve closes.

A dump valve has no effect - provided it doesn't leak - on the peak boost generated by a turbocharger, however, as that is controlled by the turbocharger's wastegate.


Different types of dump valve

  • Atmospheric dump valve: The classic 'blow-off valve' which vents all excess pressure to atmosphere. These generate a 'psssch' noise in operation. Some are offered with a range of fittings and trumpets, which can allow owners to change the volume or style of the noise produced.
  • Recirculating or diverter valve: The type favoured by manufacturers. These, as the name suggests, recirculate high-pressure air into the intake system - and, consequently, are far quieter when operating.
  • Adjustable bias: Many aftermarket suppliers, such as GFB, offer adjustable set-ups. These can blend between atmospheric and recirculating modes, allowing owners to tailor their volume. They can also work better than purely atmospheric set-ups on certain cars.

Do diesel engines need a dump valve?

As conventional diesel engines have no throttle plate and function differently, a dump valve is not required. In some diesel applications - such as high-performance aftermarket turbocharged set-ups - there may be a benefit to having a pressure relief system of some form, but it will need to be triggered by excessive pressure or an electronic system.

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adzpz

Original Poster:

185 posts

168 months

Tuesday 13th February 2018
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Good & informative Article.

I view the dump valve as a knobhead siren!

Krikkit

26,515 posts

181 months

Tuesday 13th February 2018
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Very good little piece, perhaps a schematic of it would be a bit more enlightening?

DuncB7

353 posts

98 months

Tuesday 13th February 2018
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adzpz said:
I view the dump valve as a knobhead siren!
yes

Had a rather loud HKS number fitted to an Impreza about 10 years ago. Loved it then. Cringe at the thought now.

Dannbodge

2,164 posts

121 months

Tuesday 13th February 2018
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Dump valve on a 1000bhp supra or R34, that's fine with me.
On the local Corsa VXR? No thanks

pti

1,697 posts

144 months

Tuesday 13th February 2018
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Healthy or not, turbo flutter sounds cool.

TartanPaint

2,982 posts

139 months

Tuesday 13th February 2018
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Dannbodge said:
Dump valve on a 1000bhp supra or R34, that's fine with me.
On the local Corsa VXR? No thanks
Why? It improves throttle response and longevity for a modest cost. Why would you turn your nose up at somebody making a sensible mod to their car? Snobbery, that's why.

I think the idea that dump valve = chav is wrong, and I hope this PH guide goes some way to dispelling that, at least amongst us enthusiasts.

Mr.Jimbo

2,082 posts

183 months

Tuesday 13th February 2018
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Dannbodge said:
Dump valve on a 1000bhp supra or R34, that's fine with me.
On the local Corsa VXR? No thanks
I'm fine with it on any Turbo'd car so long as the fuel map isn't adjusted and a decat is fitted - more cars should be backfiring and flaming regularly. Spice it up a bit.

For a long time on my old RB5 I had the decat and full system but never touched the dump valve from the stock recirculating one because I didn't think it would do much and I could take or leave the noise. But when I fitted one for the new owner just before I sold it, I absolutely loved it, you got a massive bang on each gearshift and could usually see the flames in the rear view mirror if the exhaust was good and warm.

I want an Impreza now just to drive around clattering and banging away again. The M3 is positively pedestrian in that respect.

IanCress

4,409 posts

166 months

Tuesday 13th February 2018
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TartanPaint said:
Why? It improves throttle response and longevity for a modest cost. Why would you turn your nose up at somebody making a sensible mod to their car? Snobbery, that's why.

I think the idea that dump valve = chav is wrong, and I hope this PH guide goes some way to dispelling that, at least amongst us enthusiasts.
A Corsa VXR will already have a diverter valve. I don't see any benefit to fitting an atmospheric dump valve - all it does is make noise.

captain_cynic

11,972 posts

95 months

Tuesday 13th February 2018
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IanCress said:
A Corsa VXR will already have a diverter valve. I don't see any benefit to fitting an atmospheric dump valve - all it does is make noise.
Not of BOV's are loud, they can be designed to be quite quiet like on my BMW M240i (although that does not produce a huge amount of boost to begin with).

I'll agree that ones fitted with tweeters are incredibly obnoxious.

mrbarnett

1,091 posts

93 months

Tuesday 13th February 2018
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When I was a lad, it always used to be Imprezas or Rover 220 Turbo coupes that whistled as they changed gear, often with after-market wheels and stickers in the windows. I suspect all of those cars are now dead.

Strangely enough, considering it's the era of the turbo, these intentionally whistling valves seem to have gone out of fashion...

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 13th February 2018
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"A dump valve has no effect - provided it doesn't leak "


Who the fk is writing these articles?!?

If you fit a 'dump' valve to a VAG group 1.8T then it causes it to run rich and causes misfires.

PH articles at there best, written by someone googling.

They dump pre metered air causing the engine to run rich, I can't believe I would ever read such bullst on a genuine PH article.

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 13th February 15:11

Limpet

6,307 posts

161 months

Tuesday 13th February 2018
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We may mock it now, but the Max Power vent to atmosphere type was part of the soundtrack of the 90s. Every Renault 5 Turbo, Fiat Uno Turbo and Escort RS Turbo seemed to have one, and every launch from the lights was combination of rampant wheelspin, and that BWAAAAAAAAPPP...TISSSHHHH soundtrack. Memories smile

captain_cynic

11,972 posts

95 months

Tuesday 13th February 2018
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BAM225 said:
"A dump valve has no effect - provided it doesn't leak "


Who the fk is writing these articles?!?

If you fit a 'dump' valve to a VAG group 1.8T then it causes it to run rich and causes misfires.
That would be the fault of the crappy VAG engine design, not the blow off valve.

Most engines will be unaffected, well apart from the lack of blow back into the turbo causing it to spool down... but that is a good thing.

TartanPaint

2,982 posts

139 months

Tuesday 13th February 2018
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IanCress said:
TartanPaint said:
Why? It improves throttle response and longevity for a modest cost. Why would you turn your nose up at somebody making a sensible mod to their car? Snobbery, that's why.

I think the idea that dump valve = chav is wrong, and I hope this PH guide goes some way to dispelling that, at least amongst us enthusiasts.
A Corsa VXR will already have a diverter valve. I don't see any benefit to fitting an atmospheric dump valve - all it does is make noise.
Performance dump valves will respond much faster, vent quicker and hold higher pressures before leaking than standard OEM diverters (generally speaking, of course there are crappy ebay examples). Just like any other OEM part, they can be improved for a cost. Your car already has brakes, why change the pads or fit bigger discs?

I think, from my limited experience, that a reputable dump valve is a good mod, easy to fit for the amateur mechanic, has real benefits, has very few drawbacks (on most models of car anyway.. I don't know about the particular VAG mentioned above, but that's hardly a reason to assume they're bad for all cars), they have a reasonable benefit to cost ratio, certianly no worse than an aftermarket exhaust or induction kit, and the noise is personal preference.

It's not true to say that all it does is make a noise. It might be a marginal benefit, but all mods short of a remap or rebuild are marginal.

Squirrelofwoe

3,183 posts

176 months

Tuesday 13th February 2018
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Limpet said:
We may mock it now, but the Max Power vent to atmosphere type was part of the soundtrack of the 90s. Every Renault 5 Turbo, Fiat Uno Turbo and Escort RS Turbo seemed to have one, and every launch from the lights was combination of rampant wheelspin, and that BWAAAAAAAAPPP...TISSSHHHH soundtrack. Memories smile
yes

My Starion had one fitted when I first got it ten years ago. Loved it. Still had it fitted when I sold it a couple of years ago.

To me it went perfectly with that era of turbocharged car- along with the lag, the on/off power delivery, the factory-fitted TURBO stickers, boost-gauge in-between the speedo & rev counter, and the crippling fuel economy (15mpg from a 170bhp 4-cylinder anyone?).

Whilst I suspect modern turbocharged engines are technically superior in just about every way, they have little appeal to me. I want a turbocharged engine to feel & sound like a turbocharged engine- preferably one from the 80's/90's, and the loud dump-valve is an important part of this! nuts

cj2013

1,357 posts

126 months

Tuesday 13th February 2018
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I remember the 306 Dturbo phase, having to explain to someone that they didn't have negative vacuum and so on.

Anyway, some genius in the local area got one of those 'imitation' dump valve kits that, quite bizarrely, dumped the brake vacuum line when triggered by a microswitch on the fuel pump stop laugh


I also remember a company (some 10-12 years ago now) making a speaker that you'd fit under the bonnet of your Saxo/etc that would emit a dump valve noise on gear change

HD Adam

5,147 posts

184 months

Tuesday 13th February 2018
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BAM225 said:
"A dump valve has no effect - provided it doesn't leak "


Who the fk is writing these articles?!?

If you fit a 'dump' valve to a VAG group 1.8T then it causes it to run rich and causes misfires.

PH articles at there best, written by someone googling.

They dump pre metered air causing the engine to run rich, I can't believe I would ever read such bullst on a genuine PH article.

Edited by BAM225 on Tuesday 13th February 15:11
If you have it tuned properly, the fuel is cut off as the throttle is snapped shut and it doesn't go rich.

Well, mine doesn't anyway.

snuffy

9,710 posts

284 months

Tuesday 13th February 2018
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I love dump valves.

I had a pair fitted to my Esprit V8 and then one on my Noble M12. The noise is fantastic. I would have them on my GT-R (yes, I know it already has them, but they do not vent to atmosphere) but the gear change is so quick you'd hardly hear them.

InitialDave

11,881 posts

119 months

Tuesday 13th February 2018
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TartanPaint said:
Why? It improves throttle response and longevity for a modest cost. Why would you turn your nose up at somebody making a sensible mod to their car? Snobbery, that's why.

I think the idea that dump valve = chav is wrong, and I hope this PH guide goes some way to dispelling that, at least amongst us enthusiasts.
You can have a valve that simply recirculates what it outputs, they mention them in the article.

R8Steve

4,150 posts

175 months

Tuesday 13th February 2018
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Limpet said:
We may mock it now, but the Max Power vent to atmosphere type was part of the soundtrack of the 90s. Every Renault 5 Turbo, Fiat Uno Turbo and Escort RS Turbo seemed to have one, and every launch from the lights was combination of rampant wheelspin, and that BWAAAAAAAAPPP...TISSSHHHH soundtrack. Memories smile
Agreed! Those were the days smile

I had a Bailey twin piston one on my S1 RST at 18 years old, i thought i was the bees knees laugh