PH Footnote: Communication is key
Driverless cars may understand their environment, but how will their environment understand them?
No shit, you might be tempted to say, but Byford does infact raise an interesting point. How autonomous cars will receive and interpret information is a subject which has been debated ad nauseum, how they will communicate back with us has been discussed rather less. Of course, new laws will be introduced and highway codes altered to help people adapt to having autonomous machines on the streets, but when a pedestrian attempts to cross the road or a human driver tries to edge out of a junction, the behaviour of autonomous cars may be a little harder to comprehend.
In cities where jay-walking isn't illegal, or where pedestrians have priority, those on foot tend to look for physical cues from the driver - be it a flash of the lights or a wave of the hand - to show them that they've been seen and can cross, move out, or merge. But if a car isn't piloted by a human driver how are those physical cues going to be represented? The machine itself, through deep learning, may comprehend what is in its peripheral vision and what action to take, but how will it relay to the child on his bike or the pensioner crossing the road what that action is to be?
In a white paper by roboticists at Duke University, Michael Clamann carried out an experiment in which a van showed a display similar to that of a traffic crossing with 'walk' and 'don't walk' signals, as well as a speed display. "The idea was that the participants would use the speedometer to determine whether it was safe to cross... pedestrians relied on old habits when interacting with new technologies."
As it stands, though, companies haven't yet cracked the ideal way for autonomous cars to communicate with us. We learn how to communicate from a very young age and the earlier people interact with technology, the easier it is to communicate with it. But as autonomous technology takes to the road, there will be a crucial transition period during which young and old alike will have to get to grips with encountering it in environments not yet optimised for that occurrence. So, how do you think it should be done? Are extra lights enough, or will they just create confusion? Would you understand what a car meant if it was displaying an emoji? Is there even any need for communication at all? Let us know what you think.
This is the least of our worries with creating fully autonomous vehicles
Surely its not about what the techies want to do, its about what the law makers allow/mandate them to do - look at Infiniti's steering by wire, they have to a back up normal rack in case as the law states there must be a physical link between the steering wheel & rack.
Plus if the driver-less car decides what to do in the event of a potential accident and someone is hurt or there is damage to someones property because of a decision the car made and you the "owner" have no way of over riding the programming, you can't be negligent - surely the car companies will need to be insured against this instead of the "owner". Fully driver-less cars are going to need masses of legislation as well as potentially changing the highway code, road traffic act and how the insurance industry work massively.
And making driver-less car only zones, whats the point? Remove pedestrians, bikes & the like, normal cars would be almost equally safe at city centre speeds.
Was in a factory in Turkey a few weeks ago. They use driverless vehicles for transporting component parts all across the site. Some run on preset tracks, while others are free to roam anywhere in geofenced zones. They simply beep, flash and shout, if you get too close. Workers work with and around them every day and they operate just fine.
Interestingly, a couple of the most common communications - waving someone to go ahead and flashing headlights with the same intent - are explicitly forbidden in official driving instruction. Waving risks the other person feeling obliged to go and potentially being hit by another vehicle, while headlight flashing is officially a synonym for blowing the horn, ie 'I'm coming through'. Not that it makes any difference to what human drivers actually do, though.
Since we already have indicators to communicate turning left and right, I think we only really need to communicate forwards/backwards intent. A light for 'going' (moving off, accelerating or continuing) and another light for 'stopping' (remaining at rest, stopping or slowing down and being prepared to stop) would probably suffice.
In terms of displaying speed, in Japan all HGVs carry three green lights above the cab facing forwards, which light up at various speeds. So if you see a truck approaching with all three lights lit, you know it's going (relatively) quickly. So there is prior art in this regard.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-usage-of-three-g...
Was in a factory in Turkey a few weeks ago. They use driverless vehicles for transporting component parts all across the site. Some run on preset tracks, while others are free to roam anywhere in geofenced zones. They simply beep, flash and shout, if you get too close. Workers work with and around them every day and they operate just fine.
I'm a fan. But I'm also scratching my head at the "what ifs" as we put beta vehicles, carrying passengers, on public roads. Whatever moral questions we face with this technology, and despite the nascent status of what we now call "autonomous", in several locations round the world, people are pressing on.
This year, in Arizona, it is claimed that a commercial taxi service will be launched.
Was in a factory in Turkey a few weeks ago. They use driverless vehicles for transporting component parts all across the site. Some run on preset tracks, while others are free to roam anywhere in geofenced zones. They simply beep, flash and shout, if you get too close. Workers work with and around them every day and they operate just fine.
If there was an issue with the site, the techies were very upfront and responsive and at least tried to fix the issues.
Discussion around changes were prevalent.
There were some good initiatives to take feedback from the users - different forums, feedback events and as I mentioned there seemed to be a two way process.
These days changes are introduced seemingly without discussion, they often don't work and when they don't work nothing is done about the problems.
Feedback is none existent, there is no presence from the management team.
Progress & development seems to have vanished.
And yes I know... it's a free website. I could ps off, but I like it here - it just used to be run better..... and don't forget i'm not talking about the 'good old days' here - just a few years ago.
So if Haymarket ARE listening then you know... i'd be more than happy to provide more feedback!
If there was an issue with the site, the techies were very upfront and responsive and at least tried to fix the issues.
Discussion around changes were prevalent.
There were some good initiatives to take feedback from the users - different forums, feedback events and as I mentioned there seemed to be a two way process.
These days changes are introduced seemingly without discussion, they often don't work and when they don't work nothing is done about the problems.
Feedback is none existent, there is no presence from the management team.
Progress & development seems to have vanished.
And yes I know... it's a free website. I could ps off, but I like it here - it just used to be run better..... and don't forget i'm not talking about the 'good old days' here - just a few years ago.
So if Haymarket ARE listening then you know... i'd be more than happy to provide more feedback!
Was in a factory in Turkey a few weeks ago. They use driverless vehicles for transporting component parts all across the site. Some run on preset tracks, while others are free to roam anywhere in geofenced zones. They simply beep, flash and shout, if you get too close. Workers work with and around them every day and they operate just fine in controlled areas.
As you pointed out they're either on rails or secured zones where there are warning signs and workers are trained not to loiter. We can barely prevent trained adults from entering these areas... you cant expect a dog or child to understand this.
Just this morning I had to brake hard because a grandma stepped out onto the road. I'm sure she didn't intend to step out in front of a moving vehicle (she did the sorry wave) but its things all drivers need to be ready to deal with, when it comes to split second decisions based on incomplete data, meat based is better than silicon and will be for some time.
The horn. Use only while your vehicle is moving and you need to warn other road users of your presence. Never sound your horn aggressively. You MUST NOT use your horn
while stationary on the road
when driving in a built-up area between the hours of 11.30 pm and 7.00 am
except when another road user poses a danger.
Rule 110
Flashing headlights. Only flash your headlights to let other road users know that you are there. Do not flash your headlights to convey any other message or intimidate other road users
If there was an issue with the site, the techies were very upfront and responsive and at least tried to fix the issues.
Discussion around changes were prevalent.
There were some good initiatives to take feedback from the users - different forums, feedback events and as I mentioned there seemed to be a two way process.
These days changes are introduced seemingly without discussion, they often don't work and when they don't work nothing is done about the problems.
Feedback is none existent, there is no presence from the management team.
Progress & development seems to have vanished.
And yes I know... it's a free website. I could ps off, but I like it here - it just used to be run better..... and don't forget i'm not talking about the 'good old days' here - just a few years ago.
So if Haymarket ARE listening then you know... i'd be more than happy to provide more feedback!
Human nature is what it is. If AV designers fail to recognise that, they are doomed to failure. All I see from articles like this one is evidence that AV design is largely being driven by idealistic fanboys who are simply ignoring the hard questions that such machines raise.
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