RE: Porsche confirms the death of diesel
Tuesday 20th February 2018
Remember when the diesel Cayenne was launched, back in 2009? Only just over the shock of a Porsche SUV, purists now had to face the prospect of said sports utility vehicle being powered by the devil's fuel. Buyers loved it, of course, as diesel was far more desirable back then, and the diesel variants became a mainstay of the Cayenne range.
Officially this is the result of a "cultural shift" in Porsche customers, with their focus now on petrol and hybrid alternatives. As a result the Panamera 4S Diesel and Macan SDiesel have been "taken out of the production programme", which means just nine years of Porsche diesel models. You never know, they might become collectors' items at some point...
Porsche confirms the death of diesel
Production of diesel Panameras and Macans has ended, and that's that for diesel Porsches
But now the Cayenne diesel is no more, in fact Porsche diesel is no more. Some may say the writing was on the wall when the new Cayenne was launched with only petrol engines, and today it has been confirmed with production of both Macan and Panamera diesels ceasing, too.
In addition to the apparent lack of customer confidence in diesel at the moment, Autocar's comment from Porsche also cites a "software update" for the halting of production. It's been suggested that this is related to the new WLTP emissions test, which has also seen the F80 M3 bow out early. Combine the need to reengineer the product for new legislation with reduced demand from customers and the decision to remove diesel Porsche makes more sense.
Despite less than a decade on sale, the removal of Porsche diesels does look like a significant move given their previous popularity in the UK. Of those for sale on PH at the moment, nearly half of the Panameras are diesel; for the Macan and Cayenne it's significantly higher, at 62 per cent and 70 per cent respectively. So is now the time to pounce on a diesel Porsche? Or stay well away? Over to you...
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Discussion
Diesel does not deserve all the hate it has been getting.
If you live in the city or do less than 10000 Miles a year you should not have a diesel.
This was even the case before dieselgate thanks to the filters getting clogged on diesels with no long drives.
To be honest this year I’m potentially looking to get my first diesel as my commute is long enough to justify it and my commute only goes through 2 small towns.
But I fully understand why Porsche has done this as they are the most sporty brand in the SUV market currently
If you live in the city or do less than 10000 Miles a year you should not have a diesel.
This was even the case before dieselgate thanks to the filters getting clogged on diesels with no long drives.
To be honest this year I’m potentially looking to get my first diesel as my commute is long enough to justify it and my commute only goes through 2 small towns.
But I fully understand why Porsche has done this as they are the most sporty brand in the SUV market currently
I am surprised at that, but it does seem to be the way it's going - having VW sourced diesels and all the bad PR with that must have been a factor too.
I've been a diesel driver (mostly) for 10 years now, I like the way they drive, the modern ones don't sound like a tractor (on the inside anyway) and hardly ever driving in the city or short trips it made sense.
Ironically perhaps my Wife's VW TSI powered car drives a lot like a Turbo Diesel.
I've been a diesel driver (mostly) for 10 years now, I like the way they drive, the modern ones don't sound like a tractor (on the inside anyway) and hardly ever driving in the city or short trips it made sense.
Ironically perhaps my Wife's VW TSI powered car drives a lot like a Turbo Diesel.
Was really in the market for a Panamera I facelift 300hp diesel. They are plenty fast in the real world, great comfort, and the rwd and ptv gave its chassis an unexpected dynamic edge. And when muching miles, the (optional) 100l tank meant one could do almost 1000miles on a tank, or on unrestricted routes abroad, at least press on for several hours (in excellent comfort) and get really, really far before having to stop. Basically the fastest car for sale seen like that...
But it all fell on the fact that these are only euro 5, and the city where I live are actively discussing banning these ... Oh well. Maybe a G30 530d then as the next fast cruizer, bit boring really in comparison, if probably very competent too...
But it all fell on the fact that these are only euro 5, and the city where I live are actively discussing banning these ... Oh well. Maybe a G30 530d then as the next fast cruizer, bit boring really in comparison, if probably very competent too...
Onehp said:
And when muching miles, the (optional) 100l tank meant one could do almost 1000miles on a tank
That's insane. That's the equivalent of New York to Los Angeles with only two stops to refuel. A comfortable long-distance cruiser indeed. A use-case of continental proportions!W12AAM said:
Perhaps pick up a late 2nd hand, diesel Cayenne in a years time...for half price?!
Probably. For the right person with the right needs in terms of long distance / high annual mileage, a used example could prove a bargain -- especially as legislation tightens.I wonder how many of the diesel haters have to do nearly 20K a year, support 3 kids and pay a mortgage on an average wage? For some people every penny counts. Now of course with regards to new Porsches and their price point that doesn't really hold water but for many of us a daily barge needs to be cheap to run.
I wish I could live in petrol eutopia but I can't.
I wish I could live in petrol eutopia but I can't.
Good news. I have driven probably 200 + cars, of which perhaps 10 have been diesels as a I have never liked them. Two of them were the V8 Cayenne S Diesel and the new model Panamera 4S Diesel. They were really good cars but to me, not very appealing.
I feel really sorry for the manufacturers. Certain governments confused C02 with carcinogenic particulates. This seems pretty strange given that diesels, even the new ones, smell horrible and petrol cars do not - there is clearly something bad in diesel exhaust emissions. Nonetheless, the manufacturers were coerced into building diesels because car tax rules in many countries made diesel cars much cheaper to own.
The manufacturers were forced into a huge r&d project which many of them probably thought was madness, but had to follow to sell cars, given the governmental rules.
I wonder how many other technologies which should have died out could have been advanced to incredible levels of development if there were sufficient governmental incentives? Steam engines? Betamax players? It could be like the Blade Runner films and the parallel universe technologies therein.
I wonder how long the Bentayga Diesel has to run?
I feel really sorry for the manufacturers. Certain governments confused C02 with carcinogenic particulates. This seems pretty strange given that diesels, even the new ones, smell horrible and petrol cars do not - there is clearly something bad in diesel exhaust emissions. Nonetheless, the manufacturers were coerced into building diesels because car tax rules in many countries made diesel cars much cheaper to own.
The manufacturers were forced into a huge r&d project which many of them probably thought was madness, but had to follow to sell cars, given the governmental rules.
I wonder how many other technologies which should have died out could have been advanced to incredible levels of development if there were sufficient governmental incentives? Steam engines? Betamax players? It could be like the Blade Runner films and the parallel universe technologies therein.
I wonder how long the Bentayga Diesel has to run?
I just spent some time recently in both London and New York and the difference in air quality is palpable. London reeks of diesel fumes whereas New York doesn't so any move away from diesel is only a good thing IMO.
Deep down I'm sure Porsche know that VW diesels are going to struggle in real world testing rather than blaming it on market shifts.
Deep down I'm sure Porsche know that VW diesels are going to struggle in real world testing rather than blaming it on market shifts.
Jual Mass Flywheel said:
I wonder how many of the diesel haters have to do nearly 20K a year, support 3 kids and pay a mortgage on an average wage? For some people every penny counts. Now of course with regards to new Porsches and their price point that doesn't really hold water but for many of us a daily barge needs to be cheap to run.
I wish I could live in petrol eutopia but I can't.
Thought I'd jump in before anyone else - please can we avoid turning this into (yet another) Brexit thread?I wish I could live in petrol eutopia but I can't.
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