RE: Alfa Romeo 164 Cloverleaf: Spotted

RE: Alfa Romeo 164 Cloverleaf: Spotted

Sunday 4th March

Alfa Romeo 164 Cloverleaf: Spotted

A front-wheel-drive Alfa from the early 1990s, for 13 grand. Sounds rather steep - but is it?



Go on. Look at that above picture and tell us you aren't at least a little bit excited by it. We dare you. No, actually we don't, because we know if you try and tell us that, you'll be lying.

Frankly, there are relatively few large executive cars from the 1990s you can really go weak at the knees for, but the Alfa Romeo 164 is one of them. And no more so in our book than the 24v Cloverleaf, of which just 191 were specially imported, to order, by Alfa Romeo between 1993 and 1997.

But is the 164 QV special enough to warrant the £12,990 price tag being asked for it here? Certainly, a few years ago you'd have picked up a shiny one for less than half that. Have prices really risen to the extent that this sort of figure is justified for not only an Alfa dating from the early 1990s - making it barely a classic, in other words - but also one with front-wheel drive?


To answer that, let's have a look at the specs. The 24v succeeded the 12v Cloverleaf, itself quite a special car, featuring electronic dampers and a 200hp version of the famous 'Busso' 3.0-litre V6. The 12v was, however, a flawed diamond, plagued with torque steer problems and short on grip, which meant it was rather a handful to drive.

However, Alfa Romeo worked on the problem, and this continual evolution meant that by the time of the 24v's introduction the issues had, for the most part, been ironed out, leaving a car that was remarkably agile for its size. The engine changes boosted power to a not-inconsiderable 232hp, enough to cover the 0-60 benchmark in around seven seconds.

Like all Cloverleafs, of course, this one looks fabulous - its two-tone red-over-grey paintwork suiting the 164's shape and Cloverleaf bodykit down to the ground. Inside it's glorious, too, all black leather, heavily bolstered seats and angular dashboard lines. And then there are those gorgeous split-rim telephone dial wheels - here, freshly renovated.


The rest of the car's had a bit of work done, too, and there's plenty of history to back all that work up. And from the sound of things, it's been lovingly maintained, the advert even detailing repairs to the loom - so you shouldn't even have the Italian cliche of dodgy electrics to worry about.

In short, this looks about as good a Cloverleaf as you'll find, which brings us back to the original question: is it worth £13k, or close to? With everything it has going for it, we're inclined to say so. What do you think?


SPECIFICATION - ALFA ROMEO 164 3.0 V6 24V QUADRIFOGLIO VERDE

Engine: 2,959cc, four-cyl
Transmission: 5-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 232@6,300rpm
Torque (lb ft): 207@5,000rpm
MPG: 27.4 (ECE touring)
CO2: n/a
First registered: 1995
Recorded mileage: 91,000
Price new: £31,486
Yours for: £12,990

See the original advert here.





 

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SydneyBridge

Original Poster:

3,761 posts

88 months

Sunday 4th March
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Nice, aged pretty well. Never sure about the two tone body kit though.
Would maybe prefer a Thema 8.32 but they are a bit pricier for a decent one.

Edited by SydneyBridge on Sunday 4th March 11:34

davebem

543 posts

107 months

Sunday 4th March
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I do love an Alfa saloon. Wasnt the platform developed with Saab?

SydneyBridge

Original Poster:

3,761 posts

88 months

Sunday 4th March
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Saab 9000, Alfa, fiat croma and lancia thema. I think..

MarkwG

1,747 posts

119 months

Sunday 4th March
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SydneyBridge said:
Nice, aged pretty well. Never sure about the two tone body kit though.
I tend to agree: I had a Twinspark in blue metallic, below the waist was body colour. It changed the whole look of the car, & I prefer it. The black Cloverleafs & the Q4s where also available like that, but I've not seen an Alfa red one that way - tempting to buy that one & try it! - here's one, now I'm not so keen... https://www.2ememain.be/autos/alfa-romeo/164/alfa-...

Although there are different versions, with sill covers etc, it's not quite a body kit in the traditional sense: the lower sections of the door are plastic (ABS I imagine) so the whole lower section of the car is protected against minor knocks.



Edit = should have tried harder!

Edited by MarkwG on Sunday 4th March 12:03

paulyv

474 posts

53 months

Sunday 4th March
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31k, in the mid-nineties! Coming from a family who struggled but eventually succeeded to attain a modest new car in the 80s these prices boggle my mind a little.

I always look on the 164 fondly as my late Dad had a great deal of interest in them, possibly as a purchase in the late-80's after the brand new Fiat Regata 85s he bought, but even a non-Cloverleaf 164 was a big step up from the 6k the Fiat cost in 1984. It never happened but it's probably for the best. The 164 could have been ruinous at the time and instead he went into a series of non-glamourous but very dependable Hyundai models such as the Stellar.

Still love the interior in these which I remember from several magazine articles he had - rows of buttons and fancy LED displays as I recall. At current prices I think they are best left in my imagination rather than on my driveway.
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Chris944_S2

1,328 posts

153 months

Sunday 4th March
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I miss my old 164, it was a lovely car to drive, not a QV though just the lowly V6 24V. The underpinnings may have been shared with Saab, but the two cars feel very different. The 9000 is a comfy cruiser, the 164 feels much more playful. Good to see these cars finally appreciating, they are much more than what they look on paper.



PaulV

181 posts

156 months

Sunday 4th March
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I had both a 1989 12v and a 1994 24v, sadly not in Cloverleaf just Lusso with automatic transmissions.

That aside, they were both great cars with plenty of character and noise.

I would love another one, but at £13k, this one is sadly out of my price range.


Strugs

393 posts

159 months

Sunday 4th March
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Massive soft spot for these.. tried to convince a friend's dad to get one as a company car back in t'day.. he settled on a Citroen XM in the end!

Think I'd still hanker after a 155 V6 though..

Bibbs

3,423 posts

140 months

Sunday 4th March
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Drove a 12v cloverleaf for 18 months or so.

Black over grey.

Torque steering was huge, it wasn’t quick. Comfy, but bad design meant thing broke, expensive and warning lights came on like a Xmas tree.

Madfraz

9 posts

65 months

Sunday 4th March
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Back in the early 90s my dad had three 164 V6 at the same time. The first one was an ex-demo from local Alfa garage and it was fantastic ( I had an Alfa 33 16v at the time ) the 164 was so much faster it was laughable! The second was an accident damaged 164 lusso and he repaired it over two weeks and the third was bought from Private seller as it needed a cam belt replaced.
Fair to say dad loved them and would love another.

Jual Mass Flywheel

2,477 posts

85 months

Sunday 4th March
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Dad ran one or two of these whilst selling Alfas in Nottingham in the late 80s early 90s for Gordon Lamb. These along with the 75s (TS and V6) hold fond memories for me. 13K a lot but as said to the person wanting the best, is there a better on e out there?

kaikyoung

9 posts

33 months

Sunday 4th March
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Really love the looks of these, very mafioso as well. Chris944's looks great, I hope you don't regret selling too much.

alfa phil

1,385 posts

137 months

Sunday 4th March
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Was given a 164 as a courtesy car from the local Alfa specialist when my spider went in for some work , did wonder how it got us from A to B every light used to stay on on that dash as you drove it and there was plenty of them, it was in Alfa Red, got a bit attached to it really.

Chestrockwell

683 posts

87 months

Sunday 4th March
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Not sure what the appeal is with Alfa’s, biggest piles of crap going, even the new ones, picture them all in 10 years time. Rubbish cars, everyone knows they’re rubbish but like them because they have ‘soul’. fk all that, I’m not going to praise a manufacturer for being crap.

13 grand, ok....give me an E36 M3 instead....actually I’ll take a 500 pound 318i E36 over this?!

When will this bubble burst

MJK 24

5,130 posts

166 months

Sunday 4th March
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Chestrockwell said:
Not sure what the appeal is with Alfa’s, biggest piles of crap going, even the new ones, picture them all in 10 years time. Rubbish cars, everyone knows they’re rubbish but like them because they have ‘soul’. fk all that, I’m not going to praise a manufacturer for being crap.

13 grand, ok....give me an E36 M3 instead....actually I’ll take a 500 pound 318i E36 over this?!

When will this bubble burst
What a load of baloney.

Meridius

1,030 posts

82 months

Sunday 4th March
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Still remember mid-teens sitting in my mates car at about 4am half asleep, the only other car on the roads was a 164 V6 that pulled up next to us at the lights, first experience of the Alfa V6 has he cained it off down the road, loved it.

MarkwG

1,747 posts

119 months

Sunday 4th March
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MJK 24 said:
Chestrockwell said:
Not sure what the appeal is with Alfa’s, biggest piles of crap going, even the new ones, picture them all in 10 years time. Rubbish cars, everyone knows they’re rubbish but like them because they have ‘soul’. fk all that, I’m not going to praise a manufacturer for being crap.

13 grand, ok....give me an E36 M3 instead....actually I’ll take a 500 pound 318i E36 over this?!

When will this bubble burst
What a load of baloney.
MJK 24 said:
Chestrockwell said:
Not sure what the appeal is with Alfa’s, biggest piles of crap going, even the new ones, picture them all in 10 years time. Rubbish cars, everyone knows they’re rubbish but like them because they have ‘soul’. fk all that, I’m not going to praise a manufacturer for being crap.

13 grand, ok....give me an E36 M3 instead....actually I’ll take a 500 pound 318i E36 over this?!

When will this bubble burst
What a load of baloney.
Indeed - probably never driven one, let alone owned one. I have an e36 M3, & owned a 164, amongst other Alfas & BMWs:...take a knackered 318 over a V6 Cloverleaf?!? wobblelaugh

0a

19,922 posts

124 months

Sunday 4th March
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A lovely looking machine. However seriously expensive. The whole point of large Alfas is that they are cheap so the gamble balances out!

kellydk

41 posts

89 months

Sunday 4th March
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Loved these 164 cloverleaf’s for a long time. Prices have been increasing over the years but £13K seems very high. This one is nice but have seen a better one in black at the Auto Italia day in the past. I have a picture somewhere. I don’t see this selling quickly .....

rassi

1,859 posts

181 months

Sunday 4th March
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Fantastic cars! Had a 24V Lusso and dad was inspired to get a 24V QV - had s Remus exhaust and to date one of the best sounding cars I have heard.

The featured one strangely has a single exit exhaust, should be a double, and at that price would certainly expect an original one.