RE: GR Supra Racing Concept: Geneva 2018

RE: GR Supra Racing Concept: Geneva 2018

Tuesday 6th March

GR Supra Racing Concept: Geneva 2018

Racecar concept inspired by as-yet-unreleased road car unveiled to the public



The will they, won't they tale of Toyota's new Supra is one of the motoring industry's longest running stories and worst kept secrets. Having had confirmation for a while now that they will in fact be bringing the Supra name back from the dead, many details seem to have been leaked ahead of time by Japanese media.

We knew that that car would not be making an appearance at Geneva this time around, but despite this, there was still an element of intrigue in Toyota's pre-show foreshadowing of a Supra-related reveal - and here it is.

This, then, is the GR Supra Racing Concept. It's a front-engined rear-wheel drive racer which shares much of the styling expected from the road car, but makes extensive use of an unidentified 'lightweight composite material' for many of its parts. These include but aren't limited to the front and rear bumpers, bonnet, front splitter, rear diffuser, side skirts, and rear wing. The doors are lined with carbon fibre and the windscreen and windows are made of plastic for additional weight savings too.


The cabin, meanwhile, is described as "entirely competition-focused" fitted as it is with a racing dashboard and OMP driver's seat, safety harness and quick-release steering wheel - as well as the obligatory full roll cage and fire extinguishers.

Lowered suspension front and rear, BBS racing wheels with centre-locking nuts, Michelin racing tyres, Brembo Racing calipers and discs, and a racing exhaust complete the 'because race car' bingo sheet.

All of these details are somewhat moot, of course, given that this is just a concept - albeit one clearly very heavily influenced by the upcoming production car. On that subject Tetsuya Tada, the Supra's chief engineer, told Autocar that manufacturing would begin early next year.

"Supra is the sports car of Toyota, and we're very proud of its heritage," he said. "It's really fun to drive this car. Front-engined, rear-drive - with such a concept, you can have the greatest amount of fun."


As Tada was also responsible for Toyota's last sports car, we can be absolutely sure that he knows what he is talking about. It's heartening then to hear that the Supra will be "similar to the GT86 - the difference is power."

He continued: "The development of the GT86 was extremely difficult. Before the GT86, we experienced lots of time with no sports car. There was nothing I could learn from my predecessors, so we did it from scratch. With Supra, it's different. We learned form the GT86 experience, so the process was much smoother."

Can't wait to see the end result? Neither can we. For now though, the Racing Concept - coming to a PS4 near you in Gran Turismo Sport format - will just have to do.

 

 

   
   
   
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MustardCutter

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225 posts

53 months

Tuesday 6th March
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Looks awesome apart from that nose. I suspect the road car lurking somewhere beneath all the addenda will suffer the same fate...

"Supra is the sports car of Toyota, and we're very proud of its heritage"

So much so that they got BMW to develop it on one of their platforms and put their engine in it. Not necessarily a bad thing as BMW know a thing or two about rear wheel drive and straight sixes. Obviously Toyota will have input on the set-up/tuning but it just doesn't feel like a Supra to me.

Edited by MustardCutter on Tuesday 6th March 13:31

RacerMike

1,987 posts

144 months

Tuesday 6th March
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Sadly, I think the road car will look pretty anaemic once it loses the wide arches and big wheels.

Mafffew

1,076 posts

44 months

Tuesday 6th March
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I really really like that, fingers crossed!

Ryvita

442 posts

143 months

Tuesday 6th March
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MustardCutter said:
Looks awesome apart from that nose. I suspect the road car lurking somewhere beneath all the addenda will suffer the same fate...

"Supra is the sports car of Toyota, and we're very proud of its heritage"

So much so that they got BMW to develop it on one of their platforms and put their engine in it.
...just like they got Subaru to develop chassis and put an engine in the GT-86. At least they're consistent.

As someone who has had Subaru, Toyota and BMW sports cars, I find my brand loyalties, errr, confused but... aroused by all this cross-dressing? tongue outsmile


Edited by Ryvita on Tuesday 6th March 14:27

jimjam92

148 posts

35 months

Tuesday 6th March
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Ryvita said:
As someone who has had Subaru, Toyota and BMW sports cars, I find my brand loyalties, errr, confused but... aroused by all this cross-dressing? tongue outsmile
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LasseV

1,082 posts

66 months

Tuesday 6th March
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This looks sooo goood... biggrin

ZX10R NIN

11,584 posts

58 months

Tuesday 6th March
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That looks really good.

Sensei Rob

82 posts

12 months

Tuesday 6th March
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Looks Beast.

Its Just Adz

9,203 posts

142 months

Tuesday 6th March
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Now that looks fantastic!
It just needs a highly tuneable turbo motor and a not too extravagant price tag.

Tartan Pixie

1,042 posts

80 months

Tuesday 6th March
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Did they partner with Massey Ferguson to make the rear diffuser? Want to see this thing ploughing a rice paddy at 100mph now.

MustardCutter

Original Poster:

225 posts

53 months

Wednesday 7th March
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Ryvita said:
MustardCutter said:
Looks awesome apart from that nose. I suspect the road car lurking somewhere beneath all the addenda will suffer the same fate...

"Supra is the sports car of Toyota, and we're very proud of its heritage"

So much so that they got BMW to develop it on one of their platforms and put their engine in it.
...just like they got Subaru to develop chassis and put an engine in the GT-86. At least they're consistent.

As someone who has had Subaru, Toyota and BMW sports cars, I find my brand loyalties, errr, confused but... aroused by all this cross-dressing? tongue outsmile


Edited by Ryvita on Tuesday 6th March 14:27
Haha consistent, yes! I think they get away with it with the toyobaru/subota (whatever) as it's not really a halo car and haven't used that specific name before (I know it's a mash up of AE86 and 2000GT, but those are quite different cars) so doesn't have the heritage of the Supra name, and it's a big departure from Subaru's back catalogue so you could apportion a lot of influence from Toyota on the final product. However with this new Supra it's very much BMW bread and butter. I've never owned a Supra but have lusted after one, I've owned two generations of Celica and currently own a BMW but it's just not a Toyota (or GRMN/whatever) to me.

Ryvita

442 posts

143 months

Wednesday 7th March
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I had a couple of Celica GT-Four ST205s, and always lusted after the bigger brother twin-turbo Supra. There was something very right about the 90's-era Toyota sports offerings before they lost their way and everything went beige for a while.

If they have to borrow mojo from other companies to get themselves back on the right track so be it. The resultant GT-86 is a gift to drivers wanting a lower cost, involving, proper sports coupe. If the new Supra fills a similar slot further up the food chain then it will be fulfilling a great and noble purpose.

I would have a Toyobaru currently but couldn't stretch to it after a recent house purchase (and the subsequent new kitchen, new bathroom, new everything that has followed... cry). Instead I went old school and got something similar (four pot, RWD, analogue) - a 944.

Stig

11,434 posts

217 months

Wednesday 7th March
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Ryvita said:
MustardCutter said:
Looks awesome apart from that nose. I suspect the road car lurking somewhere beneath all the addenda will suffer the same fate...

"Supra is the sports car of Toyota, and we're very proud of its heritage"

So much so that they got BMW to develop it on one of their platforms and put their engine in it.
...just like they got Subaru to develop chassis and put an engine in the GT-86. At least they're consistent.

As someone who has had Subaru, Toyota and BMW sports cars, I find my brand loyalties, errr, confused but... aroused by all this cross-dressing? tongue outsmile


Edited by Ryvita on Tuesday 6th March 14:27
And why wouldn't they? Toyota own a fair chunk of Subaru!

Ryvita

442 posts

143 months

Wednesday 7th March
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Stig said:
And why wouldn't they? Toyota own a fair chunk of Subaru!
You raise a good point. smile

Do you think there's room in the Toyota range for a resurrected GT-Four based on WRX STi underpinnings? biggrin

RobM77

31,322 posts

167 months

Wednesday 7th March
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I think this looks stunning, and I look forward to the road car smile The steering column angle's a bit of a shame and seems to hint at a 'sit up and beg' driving position, but other than that it's all good!

TwinExit

240 posts

25 months

Wednesday 7th March
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Too small, too cramped, too crude/simple, and will be left behind against 4WD competition.

They'll still attempt to retail it for £45k-£50k but will make their money through interest on PCP.





Stig

11,434 posts

217 months

Wednesday 7th March
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TwinExit said:
Too small, too cramped, too crude/simple, and will be left behind against 4WD competition.

They'll still attempt to retail it for £45k-£50k but will make their money through interest on PCP.
Too many assumptions on your part I’d say smile

TwinExit

240 posts

25 months

Wednesday 7th March
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Stig said:
TwinExit said:
Too small, too cramped, too crude/simple, and will be left behind against 4WD competition.

They'll still attempt to retail it for £45k-£50k but will make their money through interest on PCP.
Too many assumptions on your part I’d say smile
We know it is rear wheeled drive, we know its relative size of the test mule to the occupant and other vehicles near it, we know there are many powerful AWD motorcars under the 40k bracket.

My only assumption is that this car was originally intended to be launched around 2002, to compete with the likes of the mediocre 350Z and RX8 - hence its dated concept and low rent spec (frighteningly close to Toyota's own Celica territory). They must have pulled the plug on it due to possibly very poor sales forecasts, young males were aspiring to buy SUVs and not cramped expensive to build from scratch NA sports cars that had to meet the modern emission and safety requirements of the time.






soad

29,063 posts

109 months

Wednesday 7th March
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Not too shabby.

Cacatous

3,035 posts

206 months

Thursday 8th March
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It's lost a little of the concept car's menace.

The nose has been lifted and underneath is a gaping hole and the headlights look taller and aren't sunken into the body work like the concept either. I guess those are the limitations of going into production?

The rest I like though!