RE: McLaren BP23 to 'exceed' 243mph

RE: McLaren BP23 to 'exceed' 243mph

Friday 9th March 2018

McLaren BP23 to 'exceed' 243mph

Woking confirms that its forthcoming petrol-electric hybrid will exceed the top speed set by the McLaren F1



Having rested on its laurels for a nanosecond at Geneva, McLaren put the Senna GTR unveil story to bed by revealing some more details about the next hypercar in its Ultimate Series - the BP23. Much we already knew: the model will be a petrol-electric hybrid, it will have a centrally-mounted driving position, there will only be 106 examples (all sold) and it will be the 'fastest ever McLaren'.

Now Woking has specified precisely what that means - and, as expected, it refers to the car's top speed, which will apparently exceed 243mph. Why that exact number? Shame on you - that's the peak speed that Andy Wallace hit in 1998 when driving the XP5 prototype of the F1 at the Ehra-Lessien test track (the production car world record was averaged at 240.1mph over two runs).


How far will it exceed 243mph by? Naturally McLaren is not saying, although Andy Palmer - the Ultimate Series line director - did concede that establishing the final number in practise is not likely to be easy; especially as the firm would prefer to do it on tarmac rather than a salt flat somewhere. He apparently has a solution in mind - and the fact that the venue for such a run has being playing on his mind suggests that the BP23 will significantly outdo its predecessor.

Of course, McLaren would prefer that you didn't actually think of the car as a direct replacement to the F1; its obvious similarities are intended as 'homages' rather than the standout features of a successor. Woking likes to describe the car as a 'hyper GT' because it neatly distinguishes the model from the track-focused Senna. The BP23 - or whatever it's eventually called - will also be the work of its MSO division, meaning that each car will essentially be a bespoke creation.


Given its £1.6m price tag (before taxes) that level of personalisation is not surprising, and it reinforces the idea that this will be the 'most luxurious' McLaren yet when it's revealed later this year. Based on the design sketches revealed by the company, it's also likely to be the most beautiful; the long-tail design spurning the dramatic aero package required by the Senna. We'd confidently bet all the money in our pockets that it will be the most powerful McLaren yet seen as well.

This means exceeding the P1's output, which also used a combination of twin-turbocharged V8 and electric motor to produced 916hp. That was with the engine in its 3.8-litre 737hp guise though; the Senna GTR's 4.0-litre version will develop 'more than' 825hp alone. It would not be a surprise nor a stretch of the imagination to see that figure return in the BP23 - and with Woking likely to have done considerably better with its next generation of electric motor than 178hp, it is easy to conceive of a hyper GT endowed with considerably more than 1,000hp.

Enough to start setting records? Well, that really would make it the perfect tribute to Gordon Murray's masterpiece, wouldn't it? McLaren certainly isn't committing itself to the idea though. Palmer himself pointed out that it's just a number and one liable to be beaten by someone else a week later (even without Guiness's rubber stamp) - and that manufacturers are now limited by tyre technology as much as anything. Still, here's hoping, eh...

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skilly1

Original Poster:

2,702 posts

195 months

Friday 9th March 2018
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How can McLaren produce all of these cars?! Amazing to think the MP4-12C only came out 9 years ago and now look what they are producing.

Goes to show what can be done when you have no outdated systems, history or infrastructure in a factory / organisation.


Vitorio

4,296 posts

143 months

Friday 9th March 2018
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Wasnt the big thing about the F1 that it was the fastest car, period.. at the time?

Being "the fastest mclaren" seems like a less lofty goal when Bugatti is at ~267 mph

daveco

4,126 posts

207 months

Friday 9th March 2018
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skilly1 said:
How can McLaren produce all of these cars?! Amazing to think the MP4-12C only came out 9 years ago and now look what they are producing.

Goes to show what can be done when you have no outdated systems, history or infrastructure in a factory / organisation.
Because they use the same powerplant for every single car, just in different states of tune, which has to cut development costs back significantly.

M838T has been proven to work in the P1 so this can't be that much of a stretch



Shiv_P

2,746 posts

105 months

Friday 9th March 2018
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So their 2018/2019/2020 car will have a higher top speed than a car which set its record 20 years ago in 1998

confused

Krikkit

26,527 posts

181 months

Friday 9th March 2018
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Vitorio said:
Wasnt the big thing about the F1 that it was the fastest car, period.. at the time?

Being "the fastest mclaren" seems like a less lofty goal when Bugatti is at ~267 mph
And Koenigsegg are 278.

Macboy

739 posts

205 months

Friday 9th March 2018
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I am so much more interested in this project than the Senna and the huge level of debate that it has created about its purpose, especially given an even more track focussed version in the GTR. This has a purpose - to be used as a road car in the same way, like it or not, as the Veyron and Chiron. They are fast and ultra-luxurious but can be driven every day and in a variety of places including touring (although lack of luggage space makes this challenging). I hope it has some of the classic elegance of the F1 and they can better resolve the headlights which don't ever appear well executed to my eye.

WCZ

10,525 posts

194 months

Friday 9th March 2018
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Krikkit said:
And Koenigsegg are 278.
the chiron could be faster but hasn't been tested

either way faster than 243 is nothing these days

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 9th March 2018
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Can I be the first to say WOW that's incredible!

This message has been brought to you on behalf of McLaren social media spam marketing dept

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 9th March 2018
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Oh and McLaren please, please, please don't take any styling cues from the 720 or Senna. Thanks.

JoshMay

76 posts

108 months

Friday 9th March 2018
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Having deep pockets but short arms, I want to point out how being a hybrid, you won’t have to pay the congestion charge!
I can’t affird not to have one of these.

RobM77

35,349 posts

234 months

Friday 9th March 2018
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Vitorio said:
Wasnt the big thing about the F1 that it was the fastest car, period.. at the time?

Being "the fastest mclaren" seems like a less lofty goal when Bugatti is at ~267 mph
It was after the release, yes. The initial design brief for the car was very different to that and focused on it being the ultimate driver's car for daily use: mid mounted longitudinal n/a V12, <1000kg weight, no assisted controls or driver aids, a compliant chassis setup for the public road, and good luggage space. BMW were asked to provide around 450bhp; the fact that their new engine for the car produced 627bhp was actually a pleasant surprise and not intentional at all, at least not from GM's team. What I find sad is how many manufacturers, including McLaren, have not made cars to this spec again and focus on speed instead. Of course the latest range are very usable, but they don't follow that original purist brief, which is what I think is a shame.

humblesabot

55 posts

127 months

Friday 9th March 2018
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Andy Palmer?
Isn't he the CEO of Aston Martin?
Is there a typo at work, or is there a coincidence?

Regiment

2,799 posts

159 months

Friday 9th March 2018
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Vitorio said:
Wasnt the big thing about the F1 that it was the fastest car, period.. at the time?

Being "the fastest mclaren" seems like a less lofty goal when Bugatti is at ~267 mph
The car to beat is the Koenigsegg Agera RS at 278mph.

GranCab

2,902 posts

146 months

Friday 9th March 2018
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daveco said:
skilly1 said:
How can McLaren produce all of these cars?! Amazing to think the MP4-12C only came out 9 years ago and now look what they are producing.

Goes to show what can be done when you have no outdated systems, history or infrastructure in a factory / organisation.
Because they use the same designed, developed and built by Ricardo powerplant for every single car, just in different states of tune, which has to cut development costs back significantly.

M838T has been proven to work in the P1 so this can't be that much of a stretch

smilo996

2,791 posts

170 months

Friday 9th March 2018
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They have now turned selling their cars before they have been built into a routine which is impressive itself without all the other innovations they have incorporated.

So 4.0L twinhairdriered V8 plus leccy motas plus batteries and low cd, should do it.

Still, difficult to be as iconic as the original F1.

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

93 months

Friday 9th March 2018
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Shiv_P said:
So their 2018/2019/2020 car will have a higher top speed than a car which set its record 20 years ago in 1998

confused
Big news!

HardMiles

318 posts

86 months

Friday 9th March 2018
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FN2TypeR said:
Shiv_P said:
So their 2018/2019/2020 car will have a higher top speed than a car which set its record 20 years ago in 1998

confused
Big news!
Silly isn’t it. Even I would have thought they’d have sought the highest top speed as just an offshoot of the project, just to rub peoples noses in it, although I suppose they’re probably tied to using a certain number of engines / motors a year to get their ideal purchase price, so just to knock out a half hearted attempt is good enough. The people with the money are paying so that’s all that matters! I for one, would be buying an f1 over this any day.

But as I can’t afford either. I’ll be quiet :-)

Murphy16

254 posts

82 months

Friday 9th March 2018
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Yawn. Call me pessimistic but it's hard to get excited by a car I'll never own, a car that has already sold out, a car faster than our roads can accommodate. A car that will probably sit in a climate controlled bubble in the middle east, appearing only for instagram shots with a lion cub draped over it. Maybe some of the tech will trickle down into some second hand sports car in the future that i might own, but it's hard to get excited about that.

sidesauce

2,475 posts

218 months

Friday 9th March 2018
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fblm said:
Oh and McLaren please, please, please don't take any styling cues from the 720 or Senna. Thanks.
Sorry but not sorry:-




Don Colione

93 posts

76 months

Friday 9th March 2018
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We now live in an era of history where we can benefit from hindsight.

The McLaren brand is suffering from the Senna debacle, no matter how much the blogs still hype them.

They are releasing this information in the SAME week as the public debut of the Senna and Senna GTR; to focus our attention on this vaporware car, using the "Top Speed" marketing approach.

Keeping all the attention on beating the 20 year old, 243mph number, and telling us that a car that is not even fully designed or built yet, is already sold out.

More "hype"...

Instead of telling us how they are putting a brand new, bespoke engine, and chassis in the car; to justify its price.

If it really hits 243 or more, it really means absolutely nothing on the public road, in real life; unless you want to risk killing yourself and others trying to achieve it, because that is exactly what will happen.

We have video footage of 4 top speed runs that have been achieved over the years.

They all looked incredibly dangerous, and the potential for error at those speeds; made going past 210 look like it was not worth it - Especially ON THE PUBLIC ROAD.

One under-inflated/damaged tire, or error in driver input can spell disaster at those speeds.

So what is the point of chasing that "number"?


I hope this car is not another fail, with the same engine & (3 seat layout), using hype and marketing to try to get us to believe that it is special; because the 'top speed' thing has been done numerous times already. 243 would place them at the bottom of the pack.


McLaren F1 (243 mph) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uoK_COxvvs

Bugatti Super Sport (267 mph) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSFX9vrwJf8

Hennessey Venom GT (270.49) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWAavCjVQvM

Koenigsegg Agera RS (284.6 mph) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj4gar5dKAU