RE: Driven: Aston Martin Vantage prototype

RE: Driven: Aston Martin Vantage prototype

Thursday 15th March 2018

Aston Martin Vantage prototype | UK Review

After the challenge of a frozen lake, Aston's new baby faces a tougher test: the A429



The wait is nearly over, honestly. We've already driven the prototype version of the new Aston Vantage on a frozen lake in Finland, and soon we'll be able to tell you how the finished version feels on the glamorous media launch in Portugal. But, before then, one last intermediate step: a blast of a full dazzle-liveried engineering hack in UK roads.

While I should probably try to make out that this was a hard-won exclusive and the result of the sort of journalistic graft that normally wins prizes and pay rises, the reality is considerably more mundane. I couldn't make it to the Scandinavian ice-drive so Aston very generously offered to let me have a go closer to home. The journey starts at the company's new engineering base in Wellesbourne, and with the reassuring presence of the company's chief vehicle attributes engineer - and driving god - Matt Becker in the passenger seat.


The basics have all been well covered with our previous stories on the car so need detain us only briefly. The Vantage uses the AMG-sourced twin-turbo 4.0-litre V8, with 510hp and 505lb ft - slightly more torque than the same engine produces in the baby DB11. Although it sits on the same platform as its grand touring sister it is lighter and shorter, has no rear seats, but gains a very clever electronically controlled locking rear differential plus a mission to go and harry the Porsche 911 in a manner its predecessor never quite managed.

The huge workshop at Wellesbourne is full of immaculate Vantages being prepared for the official press launch, in marked contrast to the general skankiness of the prototype and its peeling zebra-pattern disguise wrap. There's plentiful evidence of a life lived hard, from chips and abrasions on the exterior panels to fault messages on the instrument screen and a feral fug to the cabin itself. It smells like many engineers have spent many hours sweating in here.


As this isn't a test of niceness, none of this matters. The Vantage's cabin feels smaller and tighter-fitting than the DB11's and the natural seating position is lower. The fat A-pillars also seem to eat more front quarter visibility than in the '11, it takes several of the roundabouts we encounter on our way to the Fosse Way to get used to the need to peer around this to check the substantial blindspot. The steering wheel is the same as the DB11, the prototype having the same insubstantial feeling rocker switches to toggle between the different handling and powertrain dynamic modes. The big difference is that the Vantage loses its big sister's "Comfort" mode; instead there is a choice between Sport, Sport Plus and Track.

Well before reaching faster roads it's obvious that the Vantage is a very different beast than the V8-powered DB11, with a much darker soundtrack when exhaling through what Becker says will become an optional sports exhaust, full of rasps and crackles. To my ears it sounds angrier than anything else fitted with this engine below, perhaps, the full-on AMG GT R.


While Finland didn't offer the chance to check performance beyond the ability to spin tyres, the first derestriction sign puts a tick next to "Aston fast" on the list. The engine feels brawny low down, but saves its best for the higher reaches of its rev range, pulling with increasing seriousness as it closes in on the 7000rpm redline. As in the DB11, the union between the highly strung AMG engine and the eight-speed ZF auto is a happy one, the box feeling pretty much as quick as a twin-clutcher in the punchier powertrain modes and when bossed by the steering wheel paddles, yet smooth when left in Drive. Becker says that in full-fang Track mode upshifts are actually fractionally slower than Sport Plus, to give a more forceful torque bump and a louder exhaust crack.

The Vantage is both firmer and louder than the DB11, with the subframe that carries the rear suspension mounted directly to the bonded aluminium body rather than through refinement-enhancing bushes. Although the exhaust dominates most of the time, there's plenty of road noise when cruising, and some pattering from the prototype's front suspension as it deals with bigger bumps. Damping is more about control than comfort, Sport is pliant enough but there's always an edge to the Vantage's ride over rougher surfaces. It feels very stable at speed, tracking true at the sort of making progress pace the Fosse Way encourages. This is where the prototypes come to play, and it's not long before we pass a line of similarly disguised Land Rover mules heading back to Gaydon. The brakes feel great too. Becker admits that the 911 GT3 was the inspiration for the Vantage pedal's weight and feel, firm and with little travel but very easy to modulate through pressure.


But it's tighter turning onto some smaller and tighter roads that make things really interesting. Becker says the Vantage's steering rack has an identical ratio to the DB11, but the fact the wheelbase is 100mm shorter gives it a higher effective ratio and makes it feel much quicker. The front end responds with plenty of bite, even in the damp conditions I'm driving the car in. And the e-diff gets the chance to prove how clever it is.

Becker says that this can produce up to 1845lbs of locking torque almost instantly, much more than a mechanical LSD, but it can also disengage fully. So as well as helping to find traction it vectors torque across the rear axle to help the car turn, but adds none of the low-speed understeer that aggressive locking diffs tend to create. The Vantage feels nimble and secure even when being pushed hard, but with an impressive degree of throttle steerability with the stability control switched on. With nanny turned off it becomes predictably lairy - that peak torque arrives at just 2000rpm - but without turning scary.


Although Aston is committed to producing a manual version of the Vantage, which will get seven ratios as well as its clutch pedal, it won't arrive until some time after the automatic has gone on sale. Nor will it get the clever e-diff, having to make do with an old-school mechanical LSD instead, which is likely to give it a substantially different dynamic character.

Aston's development engineers travel the globe to tune new cars, from frozen lakes in reindeer country to the heat of Death Valley in the summer. But the greatest amount of chassis development work is done on the company's doorstep, right here in the UK. Which, on the basis of how well the prototype Vantage deals with the challenge of rural Warwickshire, is exactly how it should be.

And while our next appointment with the Vantage is at its formal launch, and in full production form, I reckon it will be the one after that which will be the most significant. Because I, for one, am itching to see how it will feel in direct contrast to a Porsche 911. Pretty bloody well, I reckon.

 

 

 

 

 

 



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Aston Martin Vantage - Specifications
Engine 3,982cc, V8 twin-turbo
Transmission 8-speed automatic, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp) 510@6,000-6,500rpm
Torque (lb ft) 505@2,000-5,000rpm
0-62mph 3.6sec
Top speed 195mph
Weight 1,530kg (EC)
MPG 26.9
CO2 245g/km
Price £120,900
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Thorburn

Original Poster:

2,399 posts

193 months

Wednesday 14th March 2018
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Does anyone else starting to get the feeling that the new Vantage is actually just a super elaborate Pirelli marketing stunt?

cookie1600

2,114 posts

161 months

Wednesday 14th March 2018
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Can I just say what an easy to read, interesting and informative article this is.

I can't wait to see the Vantage out and about in anger now. I think Aston are just about to hit the sweet spot with their new line-up and it must be a very exciting period to be involved with them.

Good luck Aston Martin!

TWPC

842 posts

161 months

Wednesday 14th March 2018
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Sounds promising, but a shame about the poor visibility due to the thick A-pillars. The 911 will have its usual advantage there.

Fire99

9,844 posts

229 months

Wednesday 14th March 2018
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Admittedly this is early days but the front looks like a blend of GT86, MX-5 and an old Mazda MX-6. After the earlier Vantage being a very pretty looking car, I hope the end result goes beyond the prototype.

Thorburn

Original Poster:

2,399 posts

193 months

Wednesday 14th March 2018
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Fire99 said:
Admittedly this is early days but the front looks like a blend of GT86, MX-5 and an old Mazda MX-6. After the earlier Vantage being a very pretty looking car, I hope the end result goes beyond the prototype.
It has already 'launched' and that is the final look. For whatever reason the validation cars still have the camo.



I think the earlier cars are far prettier, but the new one actually looks better with a numberplate fitted as it breaks up the giant grille a bit.

RumbleOfThunder

3,554 posts

203 months

Wednesday 14th March 2018
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PhantomPH

4,043 posts

225 months

Wednesday 14th March 2018
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I really want one of these. The want is strong. Been a while since I actually 'wanted' an Aston, but this really works for me. Having heard the sound it makes, I am pretty much smitten. I am in deep smit.


SEGTCSL

66 posts

86 months

Wednesday 14th March 2018
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Shame about the front numberplate placement.

NJC0607

13 posts

137 months

Wednesday 14th March 2018
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i was really looking forward to this car....
but the woeful interior design, the shocking dash clocks, and the worst (ala mazda MX5) headlights ever... it really smacks of laziness in design, and hints at cost cutting.

its got an AMG engine, drivetrain etc, that i can understand... as developing your own engine is ££££££££,
but an interior from a 10year old car...?!?!?

whats gone wrong ?

PhantomPH

4,043 posts

225 months

Wednesday 14th March 2018
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I'm really not seeing a problem with the interior. I would perhaps spec a few different colour options, but in terms of design the worst thing I can say about it, is that it's quite similar to the AMG GT - which is fine by me!




anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 14th March 2018
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NJC0607 said:
i was really looking forward to this car....
but the woeful interior design, the shocking dash clocks, and the worst (ala mazda MX5) headlights ever... it really smacks of laziness in design, and hints at cost cutting.

its got an AMG engine, drivetrain etc, that i can understand... as developing your own engine is ££££££££,
but an interior from a 10year old car...?!?!?
whats gone wrong ?
The interior's a step up on the outgoing Vantage, and has all the good bits developed for the DB11. Every other manufacturer appears to be moving toward digital gauges and displays, so for the first time in a while, Aston are keeping up with rivals, and the infotainment system is fairly current (due to the Daimler partnership).

Some piccies of the Zaffre Blue example last week at Brizzle:







Thorburn

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2,399 posts

193 months

Wednesday 14th March 2018
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NFC 85 Vette said:
Every other manufacturer appears to be moving toward digital gauges and displays, so for the first time in a while, Aston are keeping up with rivals, and the infotainment system is fairly current (due to the Daimler partnership).
Shame they kept the Merc "cheap Android tablet slapped on top of the dash" display. Hate this in pretty much any car - much prefer the setup on the older cars where you can fold it away when you aren't using it.

adam_gs57

1 posts

73 months

Wednesday 14th March 2018
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I live about 4 kms from the Algarve Autodrome and i can confirm, the new Vantage, is not lacking in noise and drama! I can hear it in full clarity sitting in my living room.

I followed a white one, with a luminous rear up the road the other day and filmed it (badly filmed it, you can mostly just see my dashboard).

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 14th March 2018
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Thorburn said:
Shame they kept the Merc "cheap Android tablet slapped on top of the dash" display. Hate this in pretty much any car - much prefer the setup on the older cars where you can fold it away when you aren't using it.
It was certainly a cleaner appearance on the outgoing cars to have the ability to fold it away. Most firms seem to be set on have nav screens looking like iPads that are velcro'd to the centre console now though, that it seems to be the way things are. I got used to it in the DB11, and appreciated the functionality and ease of use over the system in the Vantage. Times are changing (I sound old before my time biggrin ).

Fire99

9,844 posts

229 months

Wednesday 14th March 2018
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Thorburn said:
Fire99 said:
Admittedly this is early days but the front looks like a blend of GT86, MX-5 and an old Mazda MX-6. After the earlier Vantage being a very pretty looking car, I hope the end result goes beyond the prototype.
It has already 'launched' and that is the final look. For whatever reason the validation cars still have the camo.



I think the earlier cars are far prettier, but the new one actually looks better with a numberplate fitted as it breaks up the giant grille a bit.
The front looks scared... Like it's going "Yikes!! I don't like my new face!" biggrin

Dare I say the front looks...............Japanese.... This isn't a 'good car / bad car' thing but it's certainly lost that Aston Martin 'class' that the old Vantage, early DB9s etc. had. Even the Vanquish.. Wilson is not impressed.. Yet.

Thorburn

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2,399 posts

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Wednesday 14th March 2018
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NFC 85 Vette said:
Most firms seem to be set on have nav screens looking like iPads that are velcro'd to the centre console now though, that it seems to be the way things are. I got used to it in the DB11, and appreciated the functionality and ease of use over the system in the Vantage. Times are changing (I sound old before my time biggrin ).
AMI iii in my V12 Vantage S. Got Android Auto support added last year, so I just plug in my phone and mirror Google Maps directions to the screen if I want to use it. Sorted. smile
Weirdly I don't think the Merc system in the DB11 does Apple CarPlay or Android Auto?

Actually thought AMI ii/iii were pretty good (particularly after the latest AMI iii update last year), but I really don't like or use 99% of in-car entertainment stuff - all I really care about is the sat-nav and the reversing camera.

PhantomPH

4,043 posts

225 months

Wednesday 14th March 2018
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NFC 85 Vette said:
Thorburn said:
Shame they kept the Merc "cheap Android tablet slapped on top of the dash" display. Hate this in pretty much any car - much prefer the setup on the older cars where you can fold it away when you aren't using it.
It was certainly a cleaner appearance on the outgoing cars to have the ability to fold it away. Most firms seem to be set on have nav screens looking like iPads that are velcro'd to the centre console now though, that it seems to be the way things are. I got used to it in the DB11, and appreciated the functionality and ease of use over the system in the Vantage. Times are changing (I sound old before my time biggrin ).
I used to dislike the 'tablet on the dash' look, but having (and currently having) the floating tablet/integrated screen/folding away options, I can say with 100% conviction, that the 'tablet on the dash' is really not a problem. What matters is that the screen is a good quality, the bezels are not too thick and that the software works.

On my S5 there screen just hangs there and looks strange in pictures - but in reality, I actually just had to Google it to remind myself what it looks like - and I drove it to work this morning! It's really not something that causes any issue, as you see the content, not the physical unit - if that makes sense?

Thorburn

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Wednesday 14th March 2018
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PhantomPH said:
I used to dislike the 'tablet on the dash' look, but having (and currently having) the floating tablet/integrated screen/folding away options, I can say with 100% conviction, that the 'tablet on the dash' is really not a problem. What matters is that the screen is a good quality, the bezels are not too thick and that the software works.

On my S5 there screen just hangs there and looks strange in pictures - but in reality, I actually just had to Google it to remind myself what it looks like - and I drove it to work this morning! It's really not something that causes any issue, as you see the content, not the physical unit - if that makes sense?
Not tried it in the DB11, but looking for a daily for the missus we looked at a couple Mercs and the Mazda CX-5 which had this arrangement and thought it looked crap in all its implementations. I guess over time you just phase it out, but I don't WANT a screen permanently in my eye-line.

Gets into the issue of too much distracting crap in cars in general now encouraging people not to actually focus on the driving.

Amanitin

421 posts

137 months

Wednesday 14th March 2018
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NFC 85 Vette said:
The interior's a step up on the outgoing Vantage
the previous dashboard was relatively clean and simple, elegant even.
in this one, the lower middle console is tolerable. The rest is horror

Thorburn

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Amanitin said:
the previous dashboard was relatively clean and simple, elegant even.
in this one, the lower middle console is tolerable. The rest is horror
Don't forget you have three generations of dash in the previous Vantage. The MY16 dash with the touch controls looks the cleanest, although I'd prefer proper physical buttons.

One thing that caught me out a few times was when adjusting temperature it was very easy to register a touch on the screen demist button below it, so you try and turn the temperature down and suddenly it is set to 24c and max fan speed. Almost took the car back to the dealers to get it checked out, but realised what was happening before taking an embarrassing 2 hour round trip - it was only the little haptic 'buzz' of pressing the button as I turned the dial that gave it away.