RE: Velar SVR prototype spied testing
Wednesday 14th March 2018
Earlier this week JLR made some noise about a new record claimed by the Range Rover Sport SVR. It negotiated the 99 turns of China's Tianmen Road in 9 minutes and 51 seconds, beating the previous benchmark of 10 minutes 31 seconds laid down by a Ferrari 458. A Nurburgring lap record it is not, and we suspect that the SVR's all-wheel drive traction may have given its 575hp supercharged V8 100 advantages - including the start, see - over the 458's 570hp naturally aspirated V8 and rear-wheel drive.
Everything's looking good in Range Rover world, then. They're faster than Ferraris and green like Priuses, classier than BMW Xes and prettier than Bentaygas - they're all things to all men. There's no time for them to rest on their laurels, though, because spy shots are in showing a new model raring to challenge the Range Rover's superiority and it's... a Range Rover.
Aesthetically the revised front bumper sports an additional grille and flared side intakes, there are (presumably lighter) SVR wheels and quad exhausts at the rear help tell it apart from the standard model. There's no word on a release date or pricing yet, but we'll bring you all the details as and when we have them.
Velar SVR prototype spied testing
The Sport SVR's younger sibling could be set to steal its performance SUV spotlight...
Still, a record's a record, and it comes hot on the heels of the Range Rover Sport PHEV taking a title of its own on the same mountain, when it ascended not only the 99 turns of the road but the 999 steps that follow as well.
In fact, not only is the Velar SVR seen here expected to be powered by the same supercharged 5.0-litre V8 used to propel the Sport SVR to such great heights, but it's also expected to have 550hp and 502lb ft of torque on tap. This compares favourably with the 575hp produced by the updated Sport SVR - a car which weighs over 300kg more than the most potent Velar is expected to - though is likely to be less than JLR's other soon-to-be-released mid-size hot SUV, the F-Pace SVR.
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There's no time for them to rest on their laurels, though, because spy shots are in showing a new model raring to challenge the Range Rover's superiority and it's... a Range Rover.
Is it really a Range Rover?
Don't usually get stuck in these arguments but in a dim car park you cant tell if its a Jag or a RR.
ivantate said:
There's no time for them to rest on their laurels, though, because spy shots are in showing a new model raring to challenge the Range Rover's superiority and it's... a Range Rover.
Is it really a Range Rover?
Don't usually get stuck in these arguments but in a dim car park you cant tell if its a Jag or a RR.
The Land Rover badge on the front grill and the tail lights are the giveaways that it is a Velar.Is it really a Range Rover?
Don't usually get stuck in these arguments but in a dim car park you cant tell if its a Jag or a RR.
TheInsanity1234 said:
Oh boy, I want one!
When will they make an evoque SVR though?
It'd make sense to have a sporty version of their smallest SUV, surely?
Nope. When will they make an evoque SVR though?
It'd make sense to have a sporty version of their smallest SUV, surely?
As we all know, bigger cars are better cars, hence why the bigger the saloon or SUV, the bigger the price. Want a smaller car with all the luxury and tech and performance of a bigger car? Because, you know, 99% of the time there's only one person in them? Nope, 'fraid not sir. You must have a massive car if you want some semblance of quality.
A posh hatchback then? Hahaha! Are you mad?! A hatchback? But luxurious?! The most practically sized, most widely purchased style of car in Europe, and you want a posh one?! Clearly you're mental. Any more than 30 grand is bonkers don't you know.
Car logic.
As much as RRs look pretty I am going to stick my neck out here and probably take flack for it, but I would like to see some stats on reliability. Friends of mine with an Evoque and RR Sport have suffered major recurring problems with electrics. One leaving the car to be recovered from Spain taking 3 weeks. I have seen alot of Evoques at the side of the road with AA/RAC. I am not attaching a stigma as such but from what I have seen it does not inspire great confidence as JLR build increasingly more complex vehicles.
Edited by TUS373 on Thursday 15th March 08:27
TooMany2cvs said:
Shiv_P said:
Hmmm, I wonder what engine they will use... surely not that 500 year old supercharged V8
Well, 9 years old, but...Checking the reg from the vid (VE67 OJB) brings it up as 5000cc.
Incidentally, why do PH cover the reg on snapped prototype cars??
- edit*
Edited by csd19 on Thursday 15th March 08:40
csd19 said:
Incidentally, why do PH cover the reg on snapped prototype cars??
Does seem rather ridiculous when there's umpteen photos so widely available a quick google away.
That must be one ragged old nail by now, fairly early-stages. That plate was coming back as 3.0 petrol when it was spotted on a ferry last summer, camo'd up.
PunterCam said:
Nope.
As we all know, bigger cars are better cars, hence why the bigger the saloon or SUV, the bigger the price. Want a smaller car with all the luxury and tech and performance of a bigger car? Because, you know, 99% of the time there's only one person in them? Nope, 'fraid not sir. You must have a massive car if you want some semblance of quality.
A posh hatchback then? Hahaha! Are you mad?! A hatchback? But luxurious?! The most practically sized, most widely purchased style of car in Europe, and you want a posh one?! Clearly you're mental. Any more than 30 grand is bonkers don't you know.
Car logic.
Quite. Reminds me of an old Car column (Setright perhaps) who lamented that the market didn't offer such things as a Golf with a Rolls-Royce style interior or a Jaguar with a 1.4 engine and wind-up windows.As we all know, bigger cars are better cars, hence why the bigger the saloon or SUV, the bigger the price. Want a smaller car with all the luxury and tech and performance of a bigger car? Because, you know, 99% of the time there's only one person in them? Nope, 'fraid not sir. You must have a massive car if you want some semblance of quality.
A posh hatchback then? Hahaha! Are you mad?! A hatchback? But luxurious?! The most practically sized, most widely purchased style of car in Europe, and you want a posh one?! Clearly you're mental. Any more than 30 grand is bonkers don't you know.
Car logic.
PunterCam said:
Nope.
As we all know, bigger cars are better cars, hence why the bigger the saloon or SUV, the bigger the price. Want a smaller car with all the luxury and tech and performance of a bigger car? Because, you know, 99% of the time there's only one person in them? Nope, 'fraid not sir. You must have a massive car if you want some semblance of quality.
A posh hatchback then? Hahaha! Are you mad?! A hatchback? But luxurious?! The most practically sized, most widely purchased style of car in Europe, and you want a posh one?! Clearly you're mental. Any more than 30 grand is bonkers don't you know.
Car logic.
You can actually spec most decent small cars up to a mega level, but when accessible cars have been put out with a luxury angle, they've typically flopped (hello Ford Vignale)As we all know, bigger cars are better cars, hence why the bigger the saloon or SUV, the bigger the price. Want a smaller car with all the luxury and tech and performance of a bigger car? Because, you know, 99% of the time there's only one person in them? Nope, 'fraid not sir. You must have a massive car if you want some semblance of quality.
A posh hatchback then? Hahaha! Are you mad?! A hatchback? But luxurious?! The most practically sized, most widely purchased style of car in Europe, and you want a posh one?! Clearly you're mental. Any more than 30 grand is bonkers don't you know.
Car logic.
I wonder if they have managed to sort the numerous electrical issues, oh and the HVAC which means it fogs up in seconds. Rather more obvious is that some have suffered with the handles ejecting and retracting.
JLR seem on a role, but only if owners were not so peeved early on in their journey with some of these vehicles.
JLR seem on a role, but only if owners were not so peeved early on in their journey with some of these vehicles.
Ninja59 said:
I wonder if they have managed to sort the numerous electrical issues, oh and the HVAC which means it fogs up in seconds. Rather more obvious is that some have suffered with the handles ejecting and retracting.
JLR seem on a role, but only if owners were not so peeved early on in their journey with some of these vehicles.
They're on a roll too JLR seem on a role, but only if owners were not so peeved early on in their journey with some of these vehicles.
But I think all new models have teething problems.
TUS373 said:
As much as RRs look pretty I am going to stick my neck out here and probably take flack for it, but I would like to see some stats on reliability. Friends of mine with an Evoque and RR Sport have suffered major recurring problems with electrics. One leaving the car to be recovered from Spain taking 3 weeks. I have seen alot of Evoques at the side of the road with AA/RAC. I am not attaching a stigma as such but from what I have seen it does not inspire great confidence as JLR build increasingly more complex vehicles.
You couldn't be more right. We have a Land Rover Disco Sport which, over the 3 years we have had it, has consistently developed faults. The good news is that over that time we have pretty much sampled JLRs back catalogue of vehicles as loan cars! (In fact its due back in for some further gremlin extermination). Its out of warranty in a few weeks so will be punted as soon as!Edited by TUS373 on Thursday 15th March 08:27
My cousin has had 2 Evoques. The first one was so bad that after 27 months the dealer offered to replace it for a new one for just a few grand top up and the second one has just died a few days out of warranty.
A friend of mine rejected 2 Land Rover Disco Sports based on, amongst other issues, the dreaded B Pillar rattle - which fortunately, we have never had on ours.
I know none of these are at the top of the range, but if I had shelled out 70k+ and had the same poor reliability I would be pretty peeved. Our local dealer is an absolute waste of space as well (not JLRs fault I know).
JLR cars look stunning, but are built like crap.
matfitzpatrick said:
TUS373 said:
As much as RRs look pretty I am going to stick my neck out here and probably take flack for it, but I would like to see some stats on reliability. Friends of mine with an Evoque and RR Sport have suffered major recurring problems with electrics. One leaving the car to be recovered from Spain taking 3 weeks. I have seen alot of Evoques at the side of the road with AA/RAC. I am not attaching a stigma as such but from what I have seen it does not inspire great confidence as JLR build increasingly more complex vehicles.
You couldn't be more right. We have a Land Rover Disco Sport which, over the 3 years we have had it, has consistently developed faults. The good news is that over that time we have pretty much sampled JLRs back catalogue of vehicles as loan cars! (In fact its due back in for some further gremlin extermination). Its out of warranty in a few weeks so will be punted as soon as!Edited by TUS373 on Thursday 15th March 08:27
My cousin has had 2 Evoques. The first one was so bad that after 27 months the dealer offered to replace it for a new one for just a few grand top up and the second one has just died a few days out of warranty.
A friend of mine rejected 2 Land Rover Disco Sports based on, amongst other issues, the dreaded B Pillar rattle - which fortunately, we have never had on ours.
I know none of these are at the top of the range, but if I had shelled out 70k+ and had the same poor reliability I would be pretty peeved. Our local dealer is an absolute waste of space as well (not JLRs fault I know).
JLR cars look stunning, but are built like crap.
matfitzpatrick said:
TUS373 said:
As much as RRs look pretty I am going to stick my neck out here and probably take flack for it, but I would like to see some stats on reliability. Friends of mine with an Evoque and RR Sport have suffered major recurring problems with electrics. One leaving the car to be recovered from Spain taking 3 weeks. I have seen alot of Evoques at the side of the road with AA/RAC. I am not attaching a stigma as such but from what I have seen it does not inspire great confidence as JLR build increasingly more complex vehicles.
You couldn't be more right. We have a Land Rover Disco Sport which, over the 3 years we have had it, has consistently developed faults. The good news is that over that time we have pretty much sampled JLRs back catalogue of vehicles as loan cars! (In fact its due back in for some further gremlin extermination). Its out of warranty in a few weeks so will be punted as soon as!Edited by TUS373 on Thursday 15th March 08:27
My cousin has had 2 Evoques. The first one was so bad that after 27 months the dealer offered to replace it for a new one for just a few grand top up and the second one has just died a few days out of warranty.
A friend of mine rejected 2 Land Rover Disco Sports based on, amongst other issues, the dreaded B Pillar rattle - which fortunately, we have never had on ours.
I know none of these are at the top of the range, but if I had shelled out 70k+ and had the same poor reliability I would be pretty peeved. Our local dealer is an absolute waste of space as well (not JLRs fault I know).
JLR cars look stunning, but are built like crap.
Ares said:
But I think all new models have teething problems.
But they`ve had `Teething problems` on almost every model ever built!!Dont get the thinking with these SUV`s these days.
IMO a 3.0 S/C is going to be the better car if the experience we had of 5.0 S/C V 3.0 S/C is anything to go by in FFRR guise.
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