RE: Porsche Cayman S (987): Spotted

RE: Porsche Cayman S (987): Spotted

Thursday 15th March 2018

Porsche Cayman S (987): Spotted

An original Cayman with the affordability of a gen one but the reliability of the gen two? It does exist!



How many column inches have been dedicated to the perils of used Porsche Cayman ownership? A fair few we'd wager, given its inarguable status as a fabulous sports car has to be considered against some well known mechanical issues.

While their prevalence may have been exaggerated, only a fool would consider an original Porsche Cayman without some awareness of the bore scoring, Intermediary Shaft (IMS) and Rear Main Seal (RMS) woes. They're fairly well known now, though there's more detail in the PH Buying Guide if you've been blissfully ignorant of them. Undetected they can be catastrophic, although if they never emerge, you're left with a great Porsche...


However, we tend to play it safe rather than sorry on PH (Shed is a different matter), and would therefore like to present this 987 Cayman S. Looks like every other early Cayman, doesn't it? Bar the silver additions, yes. But underneath it's rather different.

Having succumbed to bore scoring problems in 2015, this Cayman had its engine rebuilt using parts from a facelifted - and less troublesome - generation two car. Look at all those receipts! Not only has the owner resisted putting loads of miles on their refreshed and (hopefully) resilient engine - there are just 79,000 miles recorded - they are also willing to share more info about the rebuild to put your mind at ease.

With an engine that eliminates the known problems, you as the new owner will be left to enjoy what's so good about this era of Cayman: lovely Porsche hydraulic steering, that sweet mid-engined balance, a great manual gearbox and, best of all, the value for money. A different attribute, yes, but just as likely to make you smile...


Cheap Caymans have been around for a good while, though it's very rare to find ones like this with the security of a rebuilt and updated engine. Yet as one of the oldest it's still for sale at just £14,000, which makes it comfortably one of the cheapest available. And how low can they realistically go? More than that, this Cayman is eligible for cheaper tax, because it's on a 55-plate. If you want a revised Cayman S with the tougher engine, you're looking at £23,000.

Need further convincing? It has one or two choice upgrades as well, including a naughtier exhaust, some suede retrimming work, plus both steering wheel and short shift from a 911 GT3. Lovely.

So there's a heck of a lot going for this little Porsche, with the hefty investment of its current owner standing to significantly benefit the next one. Because, let's be honest, what could be better than your own 21st century Porsche for less than £15k? Some rivals are certainly cheaper now, with lower mileage examples of the 350Z and TT S available for similar money, but neither appeals in this situation quite like the Porsche. It was the class of the field when new and, with that substantial engine work done, this Cayman looks like the used sports car of choice, too.


SPECIFICATION - PORSCHE CAYMAN S

Engine: 3,386cc, flat-six
Transmission: 6-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 299@6,250rpm
Torque (lb ft): 251@4,400-6,000rpm
MPG: 26.6
CO2: 254g/km
First registered: 2006
Recorded mileage: 79,000
Price new: £43,930
Yours for: £14,000

See the original advert here.

 

 

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2 GKC

Original Poster:

1,896 posts

105 months

Thursday 15th March 2018
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"There're" - I don't think I have ever seen that written before

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

93 months

Thursday 15th March 2018
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Aes87 said:
Ah! The Cockster! It reminds me of the Z3 M coupe, where the car was originally designed to be a roadster and then they decide to whack a roof on to try to flog more, creating extreme weirdness in the process i.e. looks only a Mother (or German) could love.

I’ll have a decent Boxster thanks.
confused

Rawwr

22,722 posts

234 months

Thursday 15th March 2018
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Aes87 said:
Ah! The Cockster! It reminds me of the Z3 M coupe, where the car was originally designed to be a roadster and then they decide to whack a roof on to try to flog more, creating extreme weirdness in the process i.e. looks only a Mother (or German) could love.

I’ll have a decent Boxster thanks.
What the hell did I just read?

Filibuster

3,154 posts

215 months

Thursday 15th March 2018
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How do you rebuild a Gen 1 engine using Gen 2 parts??
Is he talking M96 to M97.21 engine? That may be, but A Gen 2 has the DFI MA1.21 engine and I doubts parts are interchangeable.
Also the 987.2 doesn't have a IMS any more, since both chains are on the same side...

Otherwise looks to be a very nice car!!

Krikkit

26,527 posts

181 months

Thursday 15th March 2018
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Silver ste aside that looks a bloody bargain.

Rich A

248 posts

159 months

Thursday 15th March 2018
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Filibuster said:
How do you rebuild a Gen 1 engine using Gen 2 parts??
Is he talking M96 to M97.21 engine? That may be, but A Gen 2 has the DFI MA1.21 engine and I doubts parts are interchangeable.
Also the 987.2 doesn't have a IMS any more, since both chains are on the same side...

Otherwise looks to be a very nice car!!
Cylinder liners? I dunno.

I'll be in the market for something like this in 1-2 months. I guess this car will be snapped up well before then. It's a lot of fun for 14k.

culpz

4,882 posts

112 months

Thursday 15th March 2018
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Filibuster said:
How do you rebuild a Gen 1 engine using Gen 2 parts??
Is he talking M96 to M97.21 engine? That may be, but A Gen 2 has the DFI MA1.21 engine and I doubts parts are interchangeable.
Also the 987.2 doesn't have a IMS any more, since both chains are on the same side...

Otherwise looks to be a very nice car!!
There was a guy on here not long ago that suspected his 997 was fooked and was pondering getting the engine rebuilt or having the Gen2 engine fitted.

I believe it turned out it would have been cheaper to simply sell the car and just buy a Gen2 model, if going down that route.

UmpaLoompa

1,789 posts

161 months

Thursday 15th March 2018
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Advert is pretty vague. Gonna go out on a limb and call BS on gen 2 reliability for £14k!

Fury1630

393 posts

227 months

Thursday 15th March 2018
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Filibuster said:
How do you rebuild a Gen 1 engine using Gen 2 parts??
Is he talking M96 to M97.21 engine? That may be, but A Gen 2 has the DFI MA1.21 engine and I doubts parts are interchangeable.
Also the 987.2 doesn't have a IMS any more, since both chains are on the same side...
I'm really hoping you had to do a lot of research to write that post. If you wrote it all from memory, that's got to be a worry. I built my car myself - every part & I can't quote that sort of detail.

Go outdoors & get some sunshine my friend!

lewisf182

2,089 posts

188 months

Thursday 15th March 2018
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Main bits of info missing from the advert are what liners they used in the rebuild. If Hartech sourced liners then this is an utter bargain of a car tbh and would have jumped at this had this been May last year when i was looking.
As it is, needs a bit more investigation into the type of rebuild otherwise it doesn't really mean anything to be honest.

MB140

4,064 posts

103 months

Thursday 15th March 2018
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I had the unfortunate luck to buy a 987.1 s that suffered bore scoring. Whilst I loved the car. I wouldn’t touch a gen 1 with someone else’s barge pole.

My next car will either be 981(s) or 718(s).

Jual Mass Flywheel

5,503 posts

155 months

Thursday 15th March 2018
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Aes87 said:
Ah! The Cockster! It reminds me of the Z3 M coupe, where the car was originally designed to be a roadster and then they decide to whack a roof on to try to flog more, creating extreme weirdness in the process i.e. looks only a Mother (or German) could love.

I’ll have a decent Boxster thanks.
rolleyes

Turbobanana

6,266 posts

201 months

Thursday 15th March 2018
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Well I’d buy it in a heartbeat if I had £14,000 lying around. Lovely looking car and seems good value.

Personally I wouldn’t not buy it just because it “might” break down: if I thought that way I’d never buy anything.

Jual Mass Flywheel

5,503 posts

155 months

Thursday 15th March 2018
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lewisf182 said:
Main bits of info missing from the advert are what liners they used in the rebuild. If Hartech sourced liners then this is an utter bargain of a car tbh and would have jumped at this had this been May last year when i was looking.
As it is, needs a bit more investigation into the type of rebuild otherwise it doesn't really mean anything to be honest.
TBF to the seller he clearly states more info available and happy to discuss.....................

Matt Bird

1,450 posts

205 months

PH Reportery Lad

Thursday 15th March 2018
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anonymous said:
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Didn't know about how long it had been for sale! Guess we've learnt something there. What would have been done? It's a later engine? Its an original with uprated parts? No better person to ask for Cayman knowledge...

dgmx5

151 posts

249 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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anonymous said:
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Thanks for confirming that. The silver enhancements looked familiar as did the photograph in a field look.

Whilst the works done may well be for the good of the car going forward, it is written in a way that smacks more of a modfied Japanese car. Nothing wrong with that in itself, but I think a lot of people looking to buy a Porsche (and a Cayman at this price will probably be considered by people looking at their first Porsche ownership) are more likely wanting originality rather than modification.

A lot more detail as what has been done would no doubt help sell the vehicle. People seem to forget that £14k is still a lot of money and expect potential buyers to purchase with blind faith. If the seller was really serious, get a PPI done by a reputable Porsche specialist and factor that into the selling price so that buyers would have more confidence in the car.

dgmx5

151 posts

249 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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Aes87 said:
Ah! The Cockster! It reminds me of the Z3 M coupe, where the car was originally designed to be a roadster and then they decide to whack a roof on to try to flog more, creating extreme weirdness in the process i.e. looks only a Mother (or German) could love.

I’ll have a decent Boxster thanks.
The looks are only part of the equation. Yes, the breadvan's looks are possibly challenging but I have a soft spot for a shooting brake design. The Cayman is nowhere near as challenging as the BMW and I think the Cayman is a much better looking car than the Boxster; the lines into the rear suit it better and I personally prefer its shape over a 911.

Anyway, a roofed car will always have certain non-aesthetic advantages over a convertible.

JoshMay

76 posts

108 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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I like the look of this car, but am SO put off off by the reliability concerns, you could save a couple of thousand buying, but end up with and engine-less car😩
Maybe I am not adventurous enough 🤔

TheAlastair34

369 posts

128 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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JoshMay said:
I like the look of this car, but am SO put off off by the reliability concerns, you could save a couple of thousand buying, but end up with and engine-less car??
Maybe I am not adventurous enough ??
yeah im unsure how all the others cars that haven't had a engine rebuild have managed to do 80k

i think its blown out of proportion and if it did fail then a rebuilt motor should command a higher price over a stock one

culpz

4,882 posts

112 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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anonymous said:
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Agreed.

The other issue is that, despite any professional engine rebuilds, it still remains the exact same unit. So, unfortunately, it's only a matter of time until it will need another re-build again in the future. As far as i know, it's an absolute lottery as to when they can start to go, in terms of mileage.

Basically, for absolute peace of mind, save up for a Gen2 model.