RE: Land Rover Defender Works V8: Driven

RE: Land Rover Defender Works V8: Driven

Tuesday 20th March 2018

Land Rover Defender Works V8 | UK Review

JLR has established its Classic Works division as a dream factory, but does its remade V8 Defender live up to the billing?



From the outside, the Jaguar Land Rover Classic Works facility looks much like the other large warehouse-cum-workshop buildings that populate Prologis Park Ryton, a thriving business estate just south of Coventry's southern bypass. There's some fancier signage than Network Rail has treated its nearby distribution centre to, but other than that it's a smart-looking but fairly standard 14,000 square metre industrial unit - one constructed so recently that it's still a building site in some Google street view angles.

On the inside though, it's a shiny, swaggering sensation. Part showroom, part service centre, part car collection, part manufacturer, this where JLR has consolidated its fast-growing heritage operation. So in one corner they're servicing XJ220s. In another they're building Continuation D-types. In another, as part of the Reborn programme, they're restoring Series I Land Rovers. Armed with only a passing interest in cars, the place would be fascinating; for a PHer, it's like being invited inside a goose bump.


Much of the life blood of the place, of course, was pre-existing - the people and the cars sequestered and tended to elsewhere. It's the size and brilliantly lit newness of the place (not to mention the business plan that underpins it all) which contributes a new layer of gloss to proceedings - one that leaves you in no doubt about the kind of profit being turned by 54 individual workshop bays. JLR says it's the largest purpose-built facility of its kind in the world. Who knows if that's true - but anything capable of making Ferrari jealous is liable to be fairly special in some way.

It is from this backward-looking, forward-thinking, steel-framed Mecca that the Defender Works V8 is slowly emerging. Its backstory is by now well known: Land Rover having already revealed that it has gone to the trouble of sourcing 150 (nearly new) examples of the car - in a mixture of 90 and 110 wheelbases - with the intention of re-engineering them to produce a modern-day version of the original V8, a highly-prized model last seen in 50th Anniversary format. Gaydon considered such a thing when it was still making the Defender at Solihull (going far enough to enter the prototype phase) but for various reasons the idea was never green-lit.


Now, with capacity available at Classic Works and a customer base entirely non-plussed by the idea of handing over at least £150,000 for a 90, the V8 lives again - powered this time by a naturally-aspirated version of the 5.0-litre supercharged petrol unit that helped make the SVR versions of the F-Type and Range Rover Sport vividly memorable. Plainly it is at the heart of the Defender's appeal, too, but - as Steve C found out when he briefly tried the car at Geneva - its virtues are only worth considering in the light of the other changes made by its creators.

Charging a six-figure sum for a secondhand car gives your engineers rather a lot of scope, and it is to Classic Works' credit that its painstaking conversion has been less about making the Defender improbably fast (which has been done elsewhere, ad infinitum) and more about making it a better-rounded and more driveable product. Consequently, once the warm 'n' fuzzy feeling of hearing and feeling a V8 squirm on its mounts has faded, it's the first few hundred feet on the car's bespoke suspension that really take the biscuit.

Bouncing around like a runaway jackhammer made the Defender seem rawboned and tool-like - and was unassailably cool in low doses - but tiring to the point of tedious over distance. Making it seem a little less gaunt (without losing the cool) was high on the Classic Works' agenda, and it has succeeded marvellously. A far more more cultivated combination of variable rate springs and Bilstein dampers has reduced the chassis' belligerence by maybe 40 per cent; meaning that it remains rugged and uniquely busy - yet never to the extent that it feels like your head is being steadily worked from your shoulders.


This has the effect of making the Defender seem far more settled, especially on challenging roads. And it is made to seem all the more transformative by a new steering box, which, while doing nothing much to eradicate the extraordinary amount of lock required at T junctions, has mostly seen to the disconcerting amount of play previously experienced while doing nothing more ambitious than going in a straight line. The rate of response remains extremely slow by modern standards - but this is not a platform which responds well to breakneck changes of direction at speed, and the Works team considered a drastically wider track too unsympathetic.

Instead the V8 gets slightly more substantial anti-roll bars to help it around corners, along with (for the first time) 18-inch wheels. Around those larger rims you get BF Goodrich All Terrain tyres, a feature which - on tarmac at least - means the Works' Defender has a fairly modest grip limit built-in. This is appropriate, because 405hp is rather a lot, and while its handling certainly has a more sophisticated edge, a Porsche Macan this is most definitely not. A level of intent much beyond middling will have the front end under serious pressure, typically resulting in an amber-coloured lasso being flung over the engine's 380lb ft of torque by the stability control.


The remedy for this - in direct violation of current thinking - is to stop expecting gravity-defying miracles from a humble and high-sided 4x4, and start enjoying the V8 for what it can do: namely transport you from A to B in a way that has you endlessly revelling in its maverick status. Precious little of this has anything to do with outright speed; the Works' Defender hustles along just fine - but wilfully exceeding 90mph or 4500rpm is unusual. Better to dip into the V8's performance lazily and laconically, like a lion swatting at flies.

Better too to do it in manual mode. It goes without saying that the eight-speed ZF gearbox (a less intrusive presence in the cabin than one might think) gifts the car a step-off and oily upshift totally unlike any former inhabitant of the transmission tunnel, yet the adjoining engine is best enjoyed when you pick the ratio yourself, letting the revs build from low down without the possibility of a proactive downshift from the impatient auto-mode.

Even without its blower, the V8 is very responsive - and also wisely liberated from the fairytale exhaust note made familiar by SVO. Rather it is industrial and industrious, and urges this better, worthier, lovelier Defender ever onwards as you prod lethargically at the lever, arm propped on the window frame, half in this century, half in the last. Meeting in the middle has taken Land Rover 70 years and it's oddly befitting of the once hare-brained firm that it has materialised on cue from a shiny new building that deals almost exclusively in the specialness of the past. Yet more appealing is the idea that even in its final throe, the Defender - in spun-off, expensive, formidable and very exclusive format - embodies Land Rover's current ambitions no less succinctly than the Series I did in 1948. Assuming this is farewell, it's a wonderfully fitting one.

Land Rover Defender V8 - Specifications
Engine 4,999cc, V8
Transmission 8-speed automatic, all-wheel drive
Power (hp) 405@6,000rpm
Torque (lb ft) 380@5,000rpm
0-60mph 5.7 sec
Top speed 106 mph
Weight TBC
MPG 18.5 (ECE combined)
CO2 352g/km
Price from £150,000
 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dafuq

Original Poster:

371 posts

170 months

Tuesday 20th March 2018
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Don't get me wrong, I am a long term fan of landies, and I also get wood for V8's.........,

but I would never shed 150 large of my hard earned for one of these.

I have driven far too many of them, with various tweeks, to know this would not be money well spent, unless my main interest in life was investment banking and ROI. This is an investors play thing, not a petrol head's.

This is evidence of a dead horse being mercilessly flogged.

(Prepares for trolling)

Jual Mass Flywheel

5,497 posts

155 months

Tuesday 20th March 2018
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ONE. HUNDRED. AND. FIFTY. THOUSAND. POUNDS..................................


sgtBerbatov

2,597 posts

81 months

Tuesday 20th March 2018
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You could get a Bowler Defender for a third of the price of this.

Although, following on from my previous comment on the Geneva article regarding this Defender being "the Defender it always meant to be", it's funny to see that there's not one photo of this Defender in an off road setting. And when I say "off road setting", a totally dry dirt road doesn't really count or is of a benefit to those who would need this to go through the mud.

So are you getting less of a mud plugger for the money as well?

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 20th March 2018
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How have some springs, dampers and an ARB "transformed" the R&H on this car, when that's exactly what's been fitted by pretty much every single aftermarket Defender Fettler for the last, ooh, 40 years?




WCZ

10,521 posts

194 months

Tuesday 20th March 2018
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what an absolute joke for £150k

7795

1,070 posts

181 months

Tuesday 20th March 2018
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...and the factory shots? Nothing else in this article got me even remotely excited; especially the price tag of these things.

I'm left cold with the thought of a 400bhp+ Defender when you think of the competition out there for 1/2 the price and twice the value...

Maybe I don't get it, let's see where they are in 5 years. I'm thinking gone or evolved to general tuning...

zeb

3,201 posts

218 months

Tuesday 20th March 2018
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a fool and his money........

Pintofbest

804 posts

110 months

Tuesday 20th March 2018
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It's like Groundhog day! This was a great post in the last thread that went the same way this with but maybe not within a handful of posts:

hondansx said:
laugh

So funny reading this thread with all the know-it-alls.

I am one of these 'mugs' buying one of these cars. In fact mine is going to be the same as tested - build #4 in Fuji White arriving in April.

I'm also an owner of another unofficial V8, built at a so called 'fraction' of the price. It's been with Overfinch, JE, Nene and other specialists. It has actually cost over £100,000 and still is not right. I've driven many and the reality is none of the aftermarket options are as good as the official product which I have now driven.

Land Rover's version has been driven to the Sahara (in fact two went, towing new RR Hybrids) and back. Mike Cross signed off the ride and handling himself and the rest of the testing I was told about was seriously impressive, and quite simply no aftermarket gets close to this.

And the result? It feels like a complete car; a cohesive car. It's not just 'fun' in a rose-tainted way, it's genuinely good. I think people are incredibly naive to expect a manufacturer to sell a properly tested, warrantied product in small numbers.

The reality is, I couldn't care less what people think. I think it's a shame people would rather moan than celebrate it's existence. I will have the Defender I always wanted, and that's all that matters.
The problem is people never want to listen to someone with first hand knowledge and experience, and will just throw comments around that are all pretty much the same.

J4CKO

41,520 posts

200 months

Tuesday 20th March 2018
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zeb said:
a fool and his money........
I suppose if someone buys one they have a lot of money to be foolish with !

I sort of like it, I like Landrovers and I like V8s but would be more impressed if someone had built it themselves rather than JLR buying up and tarting up their own stuff for what must be a fairly big profit, buy up a 1990 model, see how much fun that is to convert biggrin

And sticking "Works" on things, now beocmign like the yanks calling pretty much anything a "Raptor"

Ian_C

193 posts

210 months

Tuesday 20th March 2018
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Max_Torque said:
How have some springs, dampers and an ARB "transformed" the R&H on this car, when that's exactly what's been fitted by pretty much every single aftermarket Defender Fettler for the last, ooh, 40 years?

Hahahahaha.

Plug Life

978 posts

91 months

Tuesday 20th March 2018
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What a pile of archaic fæces.

sgtBerbatov

2,597 posts

81 months

Tuesday 20th March 2018
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Pintofbest said:
It's like Groundhog day! This was a great post in the last thread that went the same way this with but maybe not within a handful of posts:

hondansx said:
laugh

So funny reading this thread with all the know-it-alls.

I am one of these 'mugs' buying one of these cars. In fact mine is going to be the same as tested - build #4 in Fuji White arriving in April.

I'm also an owner of another unofficial V8, built at a so called 'fraction' of the price. It's been with Overfinch, JE, Nene and other specialists. It has actually cost over £100,000 and still is not right. I've driven many and the reality is none of the aftermarket options are as good as the official product which I have now driven.

Land Rover's version has been driven to the Sahara (in fact two went, towing new RR Hybrids) and back. Mike Cross signed off the ride and handling himself and the rest of the testing I was told about was seriously impressive, and quite simply no aftermarket gets close to this.

And the result? It feels like a complete car; a cohesive car. It's not just 'fun' in a rose-tainted way, it's genuinely good. I think people are incredibly naive to expect a manufacturer to sell a properly tested, warrantied product in small numbers.

The reality is, I couldn't care less what people think. I think it's a shame people would rather moan than celebrate it's existence. I will have the Defender I always wanted, and that's all that matters.
The problem is people never want to listen to someone with first hand knowledge and experience, and will just throw comments around that are all pretty much the same.
You may be right with some people, but I spoke to a Sheik with more money than sense and he loved his Bowler and said he wouldn't bother with the new one (this one) because it's just not offering value for money.

But, again, it might be a problem that people never want to listen to someone with first hand knowledge and experience. But that is also assuming that person with the first hand knowledge and experience knows what they're talking about and knows their arse from their elbow.

Just because you've done a job for 30 years doesn't mean you're any good at it.

Pintofbest

804 posts

110 months

Tuesday 20th March 2018
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sgtBerbatov said:
You may be right with some people, but I spoke to a Sheik with more money than sense and he loved his Bowler and said he wouldn't bother with the new one (this one) because it's just not offering value for money.

But, again, it might be a problem that people never want to listen to someone with first hand knowledge and experience. But that is also assuming that person with the first hand knowledge and experience knows what they're talking about and knows their arse from their elbow.

Just because you've done a job for 30 years doesn't mean you're any good at it.
Agree - and I would suggest most people throwing in comments on here have absolutely no experience with this whatsoever.

But you had a conversation with a Sheik who talked about value for money on a £150k car? laugh Either he was the bloke who used to work for the News of the World or that comment is a little embellished for effect.

AngryPartsBloke

1,436 posts

151 months

Tuesday 20th March 2018
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sgtBerbatov said:
You may be right with some people, but I spoke to a Sheik with more money than sense and he loved his Bowler and said he wouldn't bother with the new one (this one) because it's just not offering value for money.

But, again, it might be a problem that people never want to listen to someone with first hand knowledge and experience. But that is also assuming that person with the first hand knowledge and experience knows what they're talking about and knows their arse from their elbow.

Just because you've done a job for 30 years doesn't mean you're any good at it.
You've mentioned bowler twice now, and also put out a figure of a third of the price of this which leads me to believe you are just talking about the defender with a few bowler bolt on accessories and so It's really not comparable.

Despite what's also been pointed out you can in fact be a petrolhead who is also very well off.

Maybe this is a cynical cash grab by land rover, maybe not. If i had a £150k (Or £160k for the 110) to spend on a V8 defender then i'd probably have snapped one up.

sgtBerbatov

2,597 posts

81 months

Tuesday 20th March 2018
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Pintofbest said:
sgtBerbatov said:
You may be right with some people, but I spoke to a Sheik with more money than sense and he loved his Bowler and said he wouldn't bother with the new one (this one) because it's just not offering value for money.

But, again, it might be a problem that people never want to listen to someone with first hand knowledge and experience. But that is also assuming that person with the first hand knowledge and experience knows what they're talking about and knows their arse from their elbow.

Just because you've done a job for 30 years doesn't mean you're any good at it.
Agree - and I would suggest most people throwing in comments on here have absolutely no experience with this whatsoever.

But you had a conversation with a Sheik who talked about value for money on a £150k car? laugh Either he was the bloke who used to work for the News of the World or that comment is a little embellished for effect.
I did wonder why he was trying to sell me a timeshare in Syria...

No, it's not embellished. He was fairly down to earth, was friendly with the women we worked with (as in would shake hands with them etc). I didn't know he was a Sheik at all until a colleague told me. There was another Sheik in around the same time and he didn't even acknowledge the women who worked there.

AngryPartsBloke said:
sgtBerbatov said:
You may be right with some people, but I spoke to a Sheik with more money than sense and he loved his Bowler and said he wouldn't bother with the new one (this one) because it's just not offering value for money.

But, again, it might be a problem that people never want to listen to someone with first hand knowledge and experience. But that is also assuming that person with the first hand knowledge and experience knows what they're talking about and knows their arse from their elbow.

Just because you've done a job for 30 years doesn't mean you're any good at it.
You've mentioned bowler twice now, and also put out a figure of a third of the price of this which leads me to believe you are just talking about the defender with a few bowler bolt on accessories and so It's really not comparable.

Despite what's also been pointed out you can in fact be a petrolhead who is also very well off.

Maybe this is a cynical cash grab by land rover, maybe not. If i had a £150k (Or £160k for the 110) to spend on a V8 defender then i'd probably have snapped one up.
I thought the Bowler was a good comparison to be honest, that's why I mentioned it twice. And it was only a quick Google that showed up a more or less like for like Defender for £45,000.

Yeah you can be a petrol head who's well off but you can also be a petrol head who thinks just because it cost a lot of money it must be good. Price =/= The Best.

100SRV

2,134 posts

242 months

Tuesday 20th March 2018
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WCZ said:
what an absolute joke for £150k
At that price I'd expect some custom-valved Fox remote reservoir dampers, maybe with external bypass and hydraulic bump stops too.

Or maybe this with a factory warranty?
http://www.bowlermotorsport.com/cars/bulldog/

No, not enough ROI for the factory.

Image is everything, substance is irrelevant.
No current off-road pedigree any more - that died with the Camel Trophy.

Edited by 100SRV on Tuesday 20th March 13:21

zeb

3,201 posts

218 months

Tuesday 20th March 2018
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J4CKO said:
zeb said:
a fool and his money........
I suppose if someone buys one they have a lot of money to be foolish with !

I sort of like it, I like Landrovers and I like V8s but would be more impressed if someone had built it themselves rather than JLR buying up and tarting up their own stuff for what must be a fairly big profit, buy up a 1990 model, see how much fun that is to convert biggrin

And sticking "Works" on things, now beocmign like the yanks calling pretty much anything a "Raptor"
I agree, had a few defenders myself over the years and if thats what makes the owner happy....so be it. For 150k though that wouldn't be me....hehe

Gandahar

9,600 posts

128 months

Tuesday 20th March 2018
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"Consequently, once the warm 'n' fuzzy feeling of hearing and feeling a V8 squirm on its mounts has faded,"

I have no comment to make on this sentence apart from I have no comment to make on this ridiculous sentence when talking about an off road car.

More

"There's some fancier signage than Network Rail has treated its nearby distribution centre"

"On the inside though, it's a shiny, swaggering sensation".

" it's like being invited inside a goose bump" scratchchin

"Bouncing around like a runaway jackhammer" actually I doubt they do runaway or bounce, we need to ask Kent local highways who are about to resurface the entire road outside my house again in April but due to potholes are "touching up" today. I digress.

"Making it seem a little less gaunt (without losing the cool) was high on the Classic Works' agenda, and it has succeeded marvellously"

Gaunt?

" typically resulting in an amber-coloured lasso being flung over the engine's 380lb ft of torque by the stability control."

Amber, that's bloody beige you git! I






Edited by Gandahar on Tuesday 20th March 15:12

Gandahar

9,600 posts

128 months

Tuesday 20th March 2018
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Let me summarise

The Land Rover Discovery is shiit on road and great offroad.
This is a marketing exercise.

Go buy the cheap new Toyota Land Cruiser with steel wheels! £32,795.





unsprung

5,467 posts

124 months

Tuesday 20th March 2018
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Let's see. There must be a typo, right?

If we replace the errant £ symbol with that of the Brazilian Real, things start to come into focus.

B$ 150,000 is the equivalent of approximately £ 33,000. Simples!

Furthermore... the tooling and line equipment for the production of this classical and handsome motor (yes, I'm a fan) can be shipped to Brazil, where JLR could manufacture and export Defenders ad infinitum.