Land Rover Defender Works V8 | UK Review
JLR has established its Classic Works division as a dream factory, but does its remade V8 Defender live up to the billing?
On the inside though, it's a shiny, swaggering sensation. Part showroom, part service centre, part car collection, part manufacturer, this where JLR has consolidated its fast-growing heritage operation. So in one corner they're servicing XJ220s. In another they're building Continuation D-types. In another, as part of the Reborn programme, they're restoring Series I Land Rovers. Armed with only a passing interest in cars, the place would be fascinating; for a PHer, it's like being invited inside a goose bump.
It is from this backward-looking, forward-thinking, steel-framed Mecca that the Defender Works V8 is slowly emerging. Its backstory is by now well known: Land Rover having already revealed that it has gone to the trouble of sourcing 150 (nearly new) examples of the car - in a mixture of 90 and 110 wheelbases - with the intention of re-engineering them to produce a modern-day version of the original V8, a highly-prized model last seen in 50th Anniversary format. Gaydon considered such a thing when it was still making the Defender at Solihull (going far enough to enter the prototype phase) but for various reasons the idea was never green-lit.
Charging a six-figure sum for a secondhand car gives your engineers rather a lot of scope, and it is to Classic Works' credit that its painstaking conversion has been less about making the Defender improbably fast (which has been done elsewhere, ad infinitum) and more about making it a better-rounded and more driveable product. Consequently, once the warm 'n' fuzzy feeling of hearing and feeling a V8 squirm on its mounts has faded, it's the first few hundred feet on the car's bespoke suspension that really take the biscuit.
Bouncing around like a runaway jackhammer made the Defender seem rawboned and tool-like - and was unassailably cool in low doses - but tiring to the point of tedious over distance. Making it seem a little less gaunt (without losing the cool) was high on the Classic Works' agenda, and it has succeeded marvellously. A far more more cultivated combination of variable rate springs and Bilstein dampers has reduced the chassis' belligerence by maybe 40 per cent; meaning that it remains rugged and uniquely busy - yet never to the extent that it feels like your head is being steadily worked from your shoulders.
Instead the V8 gets slightly more substantial anti-roll bars to help it around corners, along with (for the first time) 18-inch wheels. Around those larger rims you get BF Goodrich All Terrain tyres, a feature which - on tarmac at least - means the Works' Defender has a fairly modest grip limit built-in. This is appropriate, because 405hp is rather a lot, and while its handling certainly has a more sophisticated edge, a Porsche Macan this is most definitely not. A level of intent much beyond middling will have the front end under serious pressure, typically resulting in an amber-coloured lasso being flung over the engine's 380lb ft of torque by the stability control.
Better too to do it in manual mode. It goes without saying that the eight-speed ZF gearbox (a less intrusive presence in the cabin than one might think) gifts the car a step-off and oily upshift totally unlike any former inhabitant of the transmission tunnel, yet the adjoining engine is best enjoyed when you pick the ratio yourself, letting the revs build from low down without the possibility of a proactive downshift from the impatient auto-mode.
Even without its blower, the V8 is very responsive - and also wisely liberated from the fairytale exhaust note made familiar by SVO. Rather it is industrial and industrious, and urges this better, worthier, lovelier Defender ever onwards as you prod lethargically at the lever, arm propped on the window frame, half in this century, half in the last. Meeting in the middle has taken Land Rover 70 years and it's oddly befitting of the once hare-brained firm that it has materialised on cue from a shiny new building that deals almost exclusively in the specialness of the past. Yet more appealing is the idea that even in its final throe, the Defender - in spun-off, expensive, formidable and very exclusive format - embodies Land Rover's current ambitions no less succinctly than the Series I did in 1948. Assuming this is farewell, it's a wonderfully fitting one.
Land Rover Defender V8 - Specifications | |
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Engine | 4,999cc, V8 |
Transmission | 8-speed automatic, all-wheel drive |
Power (hp) | 405@6,000rpm |
Torque (lb ft) | 380@5,000rpm |
0-60mph | 5.7 sec |
Top speed | 106 mph |
Weight | TBC |
MPG | 18.5 (ECE combined) |
CO2 | 352g/km |
Price | from £150,000 |
but I would never shed 150 large of my hard earned for one of these.
I have driven far too many of them, with various tweeks, to know this would not be money well spent, unless my main interest in life was investment banking and ROI. This is an investors play thing, not a petrol head's.
This is evidence of a dead horse being mercilessly flogged.
(Prepares for trolling)
Although, following on from my previous comment on the Geneva article regarding this Defender being "the Defender it always meant to be", it's funny to see that there's not one photo of this Defender in an off road setting. And when I say "off road setting", a totally dry dirt road doesn't really count or is of a benefit to those who would need this to go through the mud.
So are you getting less of a mud plugger for the money as well?
I'm left cold with the thought of a 400bhp+ Defender when you think of the competition out there for 1/2 the price and twice the value...
Maybe I don't get it, let's see where they are in 5 years. I'm thinking gone or evolved to general tuning...
So funny reading this thread with all the know-it-alls.
I am one of these 'mugs' buying one of these cars. In fact mine is going to be the same as tested - build #4 in Fuji White arriving in April.
I'm also an owner of another unofficial V8, built at a so called 'fraction' of the price. It's been with Overfinch, JE, Nene and other specialists. It has actually cost over £100,000 and still is not right. I've driven many and the reality is none of the aftermarket options are as good as the official product which I have now driven.
Land Rover's version has been driven to the Sahara (in fact two went, towing new RR Hybrids) and back. Mike Cross signed off the ride and handling himself and the rest of the testing I was told about was seriously impressive, and quite simply no aftermarket gets close to this.
And the result? It feels like a complete car; a cohesive car. It's not just 'fun' in a rose-tainted way, it's genuinely good. I think people are incredibly naive to expect a manufacturer to sell a properly tested, warrantied product in small numbers.
The reality is, I couldn't care less what people think. I think it's a shame people would rather moan than celebrate it's existence. I will have the Defender I always wanted, and that's all that matters.
I sort of like it, I like Landrovers and I like V8s but would be more impressed if someone had built it themselves rather than JLR buying up and tarting up their own stuff for what must be a fairly big profit, buy up a 1990 model, see how much fun that is to convert
And sticking "Works" on things, now beocmign like the yanks calling pretty much anything a "Raptor"
So funny reading this thread with all the know-it-alls.
I am one of these 'mugs' buying one of these cars. In fact mine is going to be the same as tested - build #4 in Fuji White arriving in April.
I'm also an owner of another unofficial V8, built at a so called 'fraction' of the price. It's been with Overfinch, JE, Nene and other specialists. It has actually cost over £100,000 and still is not right. I've driven many and the reality is none of the aftermarket options are as good as the official product which I have now driven.
Land Rover's version has been driven to the Sahara (in fact two went, towing new RR Hybrids) and back. Mike Cross signed off the ride and handling himself and the rest of the testing I was told about was seriously impressive, and quite simply no aftermarket gets close to this.
And the result? It feels like a complete car; a cohesive car. It's not just 'fun' in a rose-tainted way, it's genuinely good. I think people are incredibly naive to expect a manufacturer to sell a properly tested, warrantied product in small numbers.
The reality is, I couldn't care less what people think. I think it's a shame people would rather moan than celebrate it's existence. I will have the Defender I always wanted, and that's all that matters.
But, again, it might be a problem that people never want to listen to someone with first hand knowledge and experience. But that is also assuming that person with the first hand knowledge and experience knows what they're talking about and knows their arse from their elbow.
Just because you've done a job for 30 years doesn't mean you're any good at it.
But, again, it might be a problem that people never want to listen to someone with first hand knowledge and experience. But that is also assuming that person with the first hand knowledge and experience knows what they're talking about and knows their arse from their elbow.
Just because you've done a job for 30 years doesn't mean you're any good at it.
But you had a conversation with a Sheik who talked about value for money on a £150k car? Either he was the bloke who used to work for the News of the World or that comment is a little embellished for effect.
But, again, it might be a problem that people never want to listen to someone with first hand knowledge and experience. But that is also assuming that person with the first hand knowledge and experience knows what they're talking about and knows their arse from their elbow.
Just because you've done a job for 30 years doesn't mean you're any good at it.
Despite what's also been pointed out you can in fact be a petrolhead who is also very well off.
Maybe this is a cynical cash grab by land rover, maybe not. If i had a £150k (Or £160k for the 110) to spend on a V8 defender then i'd probably have snapped one up.
But, again, it might be a problem that people never want to listen to someone with first hand knowledge and experience. But that is also assuming that person with the first hand knowledge and experience knows what they're talking about and knows their arse from their elbow.
Just because you've done a job for 30 years doesn't mean you're any good at it.
But you had a conversation with a Sheik who talked about value for money on a £150k car? Either he was the bloke who used to work for the News of the World or that comment is a little embellished for effect.
No, it's not embellished. He was fairly down to earth, was friendly with the women we worked with (as in would shake hands with them etc). I didn't know he was a Sheik at all until a colleague told me. There was another Sheik in around the same time and he didn't even acknowledge the women who worked there.
But, again, it might be a problem that people never want to listen to someone with first hand knowledge and experience. But that is also assuming that person with the first hand knowledge and experience knows what they're talking about and knows their arse from their elbow.
Just because you've done a job for 30 years doesn't mean you're any good at it.
Despite what's also been pointed out you can in fact be a petrolhead who is also very well off.
Maybe this is a cynical cash grab by land rover, maybe not. If i had a £150k (Or £160k for the 110) to spend on a V8 defender then i'd probably have snapped one up.
Yeah you can be a petrol head who's well off but you can also be a petrol head who thinks just because it cost a lot of money it must be good. Price =/= The Best.
Or maybe this with a factory warranty?
http://www.bowlermotorsport.com/cars/bulldog/
No, not enough ROI for the factory.
Image is everything, substance is irrelevant.
No current off-road pedigree any more - that died with the Camel Trophy.
I sort of like it, I like Landrovers and I like V8s but would be more impressed if someone had built it themselves rather than JLR buying up and tarting up their own stuff for what must be a fairly big profit, buy up a 1990 model, see how much fun that is to convert
And sticking "Works" on things, now beocmign like the yanks calling pretty much anything a "Raptor"
I have no comment to make on this sentence apart from I have no comment to make on this ridiculous sentence when talking about an off road car.
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"There's some fancier signage than Network Rail has treated its nearby distribution centre"
"On the inside though, it's a shiny, swaggering sensation".
" it's like being invited inside a goose bump"
"Bouncing around like a runaway jackhammer" actually I doubt they do runaway or bounce, we need to ask Kent local highways who are about to resurface the entire road outside my house again in April but due to potholes are "touching up" today. I digress.
"Making it seem a little less gaunt (without losing the cool) was high on the Classic Works' agenda, and it has succeeded marvellously"
Gaunt?
" typically resulting in an amber-coloured lasso being flung over the engine's 380lb ft of torque by the stability control."
Amber, that's bloody beige you git! I
Let's see. There must be a typo, right?
If we replace the errant £ symbol with that of the Brazilian Real, things start to come into focus.
B$ 150,000 is the equivalent of approximately £ 33,000. Simples!
Furthermore... the tooling and line equipment for the production of this classical and handsome motor (yes, I'm a fan) can be shipped to Brazil, where JLR could manufacture and export Defenders ad infinitum.
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