RE: Volkswagen Golf GTI (Mk5): PH Heroes

RE: Volkswagen Golf GTI (Mk5): PH Heroes

Monday 2nd April 2018

Volkswagen Golf GTI (Mk5) | PH Heroes

There are more famous generations of Golf than the Mk5 - but the modern GTI as we know it starts here...



By the turn of the millennium, the GTI badge was in the doldrums. In 1975, Volkswagen invented the segment almost in its spare time - and spent the 80s and early 90s cheerfully exploring its potential. Lest we forget, the Mk2 Golf could not only be had in two outputs, but - on the continent, at least - you could have one with all-wheel-drive and a supercharger too. But then the Mk3 came along, with its shoddy steel and its ponderous emphasis on safety, and clogged up the concept's arteries.

The Mk4 wasn't any better. Sure, it was nicer inside and better put together, but it was also built like a crypt and made the entry-level GTI about as exciting as getting in a lift. Volkswagen didn't need telling, of course, and for two generations it simply engineered (and marketed) its way around the problem by fitting both models with cleverly packaged six-cylinder engines and a bigger price tag. The VR6 and R32 were very good. But they were expressly not GTI variants, and the manifest superiority of both models inevitably diluted the appeal of the cheaper badge.


Given their usefully fatter margins, that trend might easily have continued. A hot hatch can only be watered down for so long before it becomes a glorified trim pack, and the forgettable, underpowered Mk4 had the Golf GTI moving assuredly in that direction. To make matters worse, Honda introduced the EP3 Civic Type R in 2001, and Ford launched the Mk1 Focus RS a year later. One was cheap and one was not - but both were front-wheel drive and endowed with the kind of rousing, 200+hp engines that made lowlier versions of the Volkswagen's 1.8-litre 20v unit feel positively anaemic.

Change was needed, and it arrived in 2004. The Mk5 was built on a new platform, the PQ35, and not least among its benefits was proper independent rear suspension. The staid styling followed the twist beam onto the rubbish heap; Wolfsburg having chiselled its replacement into the kind of dainty teardrop that looks a million bucks when underpinned by the GTI's bigger, prettier alloys. Most importantly of all, there was the latest 2.0-litre FSI unit under the bonnet - the kind of new-fangled four-pot that combined common rail direct fuel injection and a BorgWarner turbocharger to quintessential modern effect.


At the time, the injection of 200hp and 207lb ft of torque was widely lauded for the Mk5's transformation. The old 1.8T was bland; the FSI motor was patently not. Its enthusiasm at practically any crank speed was enlivening, and it made the car's 7.3 second-to-62mph time seem a lot quicker in the real world than it was on paper. The chassis appeared less immediately innovative - it's 15mm lower-than-standard springs, stiffer anti-roll bars and re-valved dampers constituting fairly orthodox hot hatch fettling - but it was clearly tuned with finesse, and was praised for the sophisticated way it balanced ride and handling.

Driven now, it is this roundedness which feels acutely familiar. The deftness, ease of use and tractability which have since become hallmarks of the GTI are all prevalent in Mk5. The same pleasing ergonomics; the same gratifying control weights; the mid-range industry; the sure-footedness; the suppleness - some of it embryonic and unpolished compared with what would follow in this decade, sure - but all undeniably present and at the root of the car's appeal to even a casual driver.


The result is the kind of all-court ability we now take for granted. Thanks to its accessible peak twist and sympathetic suspension, the Mk5 makes short work of long motorway journeys. It commutes entirely unobtrusively. And then, just when you want it to - and without needing a button pushed or a drive mode selecting - it knuckles down beautifully to the business of being a discreetly spirited hot hatch. This too is achieved in inimitable GTI style: roll is resisted and lateral grip found with no overt strain - the car just gamely settles into being quicker and sharper and slightly lovelier than it was two minutes previously.

Of course there are moments when its wheel control or refinement or outright pace are of a lesser standard than a Mk7 or even a Mk6 - but it's worth noting too that by virtue of its hydraulic steering and passive suspension, and even its inferior NVH standard, the Mk5 tends to seem a bit less detached than its descendants when driven very quickly. And that's rather nice. Nicest of all though is the current price: high mileage examples are plentiful and mostly available for £5k or less - even a less well used GTI will typically be less than £8k.

Very well-kept Edition 30 cars are likely to come with the most vaunted seller expectation. The anniversary model was built in limited numbers, and gained an extra 30hp as well as a modest body kit and some interior tinsel. With a 0-62mph time reduced to 6.8 seconds, it's among the most desirable Mk5s - but even these can be had for around the £10k mark. Which means that for around a third of the cost of a brand new Mk7 Golf GTI Performance, you get 85 per cent of what made it great in the first place. A bargain, then - and a hero to boot.


SPECIFICATION | 2004-2008 VOLKSWAGEN GOLF GTI (MK5)

Engine: 1,984cc, 4-cyl turbocharged
Transmission: 6-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 200@5,100-6,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 201@1,800-5,000rpm
0-62mph: 7.2sec
Top speed: 146mph
Weight: 1,509kg (EU)
CO2: 189g/km
On sale: 2005-2008
Price new: £20,850
Price now: £2,475 - £15,000







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sege

Original Poster:

558 posts

222 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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I think it's unfair to cast the Mk3 and 4 as weak points in the evolution of the GTI. Both had much nicer interior plastics than the French competition at the time, lots of really great 'perceived quality' and also doors that didn't shut with a tinny clang, but rather a solid....

99Chimaera

324 posts

131 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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I've driven the mk3 and mk4 gtis. I thought they were definitely the weakest links. I thought the mk4 was so poor, that I bought a V5 instead which is what the GTI should have been. I owned a mk5 GTI and I thought it was excellent a return to form. I currently have a Edition 30 and it's great. smile

Jon_S_Rally

3,403 posts

88 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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Is it just me who finds the endless variations of the "added multi-link rear suspension because twist beams are rubbish" line totally ridiculous? The very same journalists who write this nonsense then laud cars like the Megane RS and Fiesta ST, both of which have twist beams.

g7jhp

6,964 posts

238 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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There were two Mk4 badged GTI.

The Mk4 2.0 GTI is a dog with 115bhp.

The Mk4 1.8t GTI with 150 or 180bhp isn't a bad GTI. It's well built, can be easily remapped for more power.

p4cks

6,908 posts

199 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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Just sold my mk5 for a mk7. I thought the mk5 was good until I bought the mk7

As I've said previously the Golf GTI since the mk5 have just been the best option in the market - they aren't the best at anything other than being the best all-rounder, if that makes sense.

martin12345

603 posts

89 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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I had a mk5 as my company car - what a great car it was - did absolutely everything from 500 miles trips to germany to thrashes in the peak district. Vmax'd on the autobahn at 160 MPH (on speedo) - probably about the claimed 149 MPH although it did get a bit light at those speeds. Not mentioned in the article was the good brakes - I nearly put a work colleague through the windscreen for fun when he asked how good they were. Replaced is with a Seat Leon FR TFSi (same car cheaper) when I changed jobs and needed to buy my own car.

The next car I owned that approach the Mk5 as a "complete package" was my Fiesta ST which is another great car. The Mk 5 is one of those cars where OEM (briefly) forget the bean counters and make the best car they can and move the game on (similar to the original Mondeo). The Mk6 was a "cost reduced" Mk5 as VW needed the car to make money and then the Mk7 was another "money no object" as it was the first volume application of the MQB platform (only A3 first I believe) where the cost was managed through economies of scale rather than cheaper component spec's.

Sorry, bit of a ramble, anyway - I agree, Mk5 was a great "once a generation" type of car that move a genre on (in this case "hot hatch") - had one, loved it !!

Nigel_O

2,888 posts

219 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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Mk1 GTi - 110bhp and 810kg
Mk2 GTi - 110bhp and 960(?)kg
Mk3 GTi - 113bhp and 1089kg (but it generally got lighter as the rust took hold....)
Mk4 GTi - 150bhp and 1213kg

The Mk3 was probably the low-point for power to weight and the Mk4 was probably the low point for chassis dynamics - good strong car but not an exciting steer....

Mk5 changed everything and is probably responsible for saving the GTi brand for VW

p4cks

6,908 posts

199 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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I hasten to add that the quality of the mk5 interior is better than the 'cheap' feel mk7

galaxie500

68 posts

163 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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Totally agree on the cheap plastics in the Mk7 compared to the Mk5. I had an Edition 30 for 4 years and the interior had definitely better specified plastics especially on the doors and dash surround. I’ve a 5 door Golf R at the moment and while the front doors cards are well put together the rear door cards, especially the tops are made of plastic which wouldn’t be out of place on a Mini Metro. Along with the deletion of door marker lights, rear footwell lights and other premium feel accessories ( all withdrawn during the 2005/2006 MY change by VW’s accountants) the current top of the line GTI & R products are not as premium as they ought to be.

tomic

720 posts

145 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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The sweetspot of the MK4 GTI was the 130bhp amd 150bhp Diesel engine.

I think the 130bhp version in particular was fast, durable and pretty well regarded. I remember having use of one for a few weeks at the time and being really impressed. The others were a bit meh.

ambuletz

10,734 posts

181 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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Nigel_O said:

Mk3 GTi - 113bhp and 1089kg (but it generally got lighter as the rust took hold....)
Didn't the mk3 have a 16v that had slightly more power then that.

daemon

35,814 posts

197 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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g7jhp said:
There were two Mk4 badged GTI.

The Mk4 2.0 GTI is a dog with 115bhp.

The Mk4 1.8t GTI with 150 or 180bhp isn't a bad GTI. It's well built, can be easily remapped for more power.
+1

Hub

6,434 posts

198 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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Good cars. Quick and fun yet classless. They put the power down really well, and better than other similarly powered fwd contemporaries of the time. The engine was quite peaky and progressive for a turbocharged unit at the time.

Not as bulletproof as you might expect though. Getting cheap now so good ones may hold their value or go up in time.

thebraketester

14,224 posts

138 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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Slight bias... but these are class. Its a great do-all car. I have had all sorts in the back of there. 20 lengths of 2.4m CLS, internal house doors... you name it.

Ruskins

221 posts

121 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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galaxie500 said:
Totally agree on the cheap plastics in the Mk7 compared to the Mk5. I had an Edition 30 for 4 years and the interior had definitely better specified plastics especially on the doors and dash surround. I’ve a 5 door Golf R at the moment and while the front doors cards are well put together the rear door cards, especially the tops are made of plastic which wouldn’t be out of place on a Mini Metro. Along with the deletion of door marker lights, rear footwell lights and other premium feel accessories ( all withdrawn during the 2005/2006 MY change by VW’s accountants) the current top of the line GTI & R products are not as premium as they ought to be.
Its odd that ive never read a single review of a new GTI which mentions cheap plastics.

carparkno1

1,432 posts

158 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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Currently sitting on mine and can't decide whether to sell as I need a change for commute, or run alongside a barge as its great fun for the weekends.

Heated leather is such a solid option in these to turn it into a perfect all rounder if you're doing lower miles.

aaron_2000

5,407 posts

83 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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sege said:
I think it's unfair to cast the Mk3 and 4 as weak points in the evolution of the GTI. Both had much nicer interior plastics than the French competition at the time, lots of really great 'perceived quality' and also doors that didn't shut with a tinny clang, but rather a solid....
Nobody is denying that they were good quality cars, but good quality doesn't make them good hot hatches. The 306 GTI was cheap inside, nobody would have the audacity to call that a bad hot hatch.

On a side not, how has it been 14 years since the MK5 came out?!

Hub

6,434 posts

198 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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aaron_2000 said:
On a side not, how has it been 14 years since the MK5 came out?!
It hasn't... It's been 13 getmecoat

(Edit - GTi anyway)

woogie

3,313 posts

252 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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I had one, worst car I have ever owned , so many problems with it, the electrics going was the last straw , 1500 quid to re wire it at VW.

reggie82

1,370 posts

178 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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ambuletz said:
Nigel_O said:

Mk3 GTi - 113bhp and 1089kg (but it generally got lighter as the rust took hold....)
Didn't the mk3 have a 16v that had slightly more power then that.
Yeah that’s the 8v, the 16v had around 150bhp.