RE: Mini Cooper S Works 210: PH Fleet

RE: Mini Cooper S Works 210: PH Fleet

Saturday 7th April 2018

Mini Cooper S Works 210: PH Fleet

Communicative, fast and enjoyable. These are all things that the Works 210 is, and the Mini experience isn't



Remember when the Beast from the East turned most of the UK into an apocalyptic Day After Tomorrow-style wasteland? The resulting spread of potholes and delamination was quite unlike anything I've seen in this country before, with several nasty and near-unavoidable examples cropping up right on my route to work. You can see where this is going...

Finding both my tyre and my enthusiasm for the day deflated, I found safe haven, opened the boot, and retrieved the space saver. Only joking! This is 2018, after all; practically nothing smaller than an articulated lorry comes with a spare wheel anymore, not even of the space saving variety. Most are instead equipped with that other pinnacle of modern technology: a can of shaving foam - along with the kind of electric pump you might use to inflate pool toys.


However, not wanting to call for assistance without having done my level best, I retrieved said equipment, set it up, and then watched as the pump asthmatically wheezed a cocktail of air and foam into the tyre, only for it to immediately dribble back out onto the ground again. Defeat admitted, I called Mini.

It should be noted at this point that I didn't mention the car in question was a press long-termer, assuming it would be flagged as such in the system. And if not, well, it's better to experience these things as a customer anyway. Not having been in this situation with Mini before - and perhaps setting the bar a little high - I envisaged a van of some sort being deployed to my location and replacing the tyre in situ before I carried on my merry way. That is not what happened.

Instead, a little over an hour later, a flatbed lorry arrived to take me and my car to the nearest Mini service centre. Despite it being one of the largest in London, it didn't have any of the 210's 205/45 R17 Pirelli P Zeros in stock, so I'd have to leave the car there and return the next day. If they'd known the car was coming in before 11:30, they said, they might have sourced one that day - a little galling considering my initial mayday call occurred around 90 minutes before that deadline.


I returned the following afternoon to be greeted by a clean and shiny Works 210, all four wheels once again fully functional. A complimentary 20 point 'visual health check' had also been carried out, although it had failed to detect that the shaving foam canister needed replacing - surely one of the first things to look for on a car brought in with a puncture. Not that it really matters, the chap at the centre explaining that it only has a chance of working on clean punctures of less than 4mm in diameter. I was also greeted with a bill for £187.36 and, once I'd left, by a pronounced rubbing sound under braking from the previously affected wheel.

A quote for the same tyre, fully fitted, from a nationwide chain came back at over £60 cheaper than the amount Mini charged. Which makes it all the more ridiculous that, should you be unfortunate enough to come into contact with anything larger than a nail, you're left completely at the manufacturer's mercy. With a space-saver in the boot, or under the car (or mounted to the roof Monte Carlo rally-style, for all I care) the puncture would have been a 20 minute inconvenience.


I could have carried on with my journey, arranged for a shop to source the tyre for a considerably lower price, and taken the car in at a time which suited me. Instead, after hours of waiting and travelling back and forth, and more than a day without the car, I was left with an over-inflated bill and a deflated impression of the efficiency you might expect from a brand which certainly isn't shy about marketing itself as an upmarket alternative to the competition.

The solution? A bit more joined up thinking. Or a spare wheel as standard, please.


FACT SHEET
Car:
2017 Mini Cooper S Works 210
On fleet since: January 2018
Run by: Dafydd
Mileage: 3,364
List price new: £19,994.40 (As tested £28,344.40 comprising £475 for Melting Silver metallic paint, £300 for Mini active from 12/06/17 to 11/06/20, £1,695 for Works enhanced kit, £75 for John Cooper Works sport leather steering wheel, £375 for variable damper control, £80 for black bonnet stripes, £120 for Anthracite roof lining, £220 for sun protection glass, £215 for front seat heating, £2,710 for Mini hatch tech pack, £2,000 for Chili pack for JCW sports pack and £85 for LED headlights with extended contents)
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sidesauce

Original Poster:

2,475 posts

218 months

Saturday 7th April 2018
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"Cars are too heavy!", the PHers cried.

"Ok, we'll try and lighten them, as cheaply as we can", said the manufacturers.

"But we don't want to lose the spare wheel and we want all our mod-cons with the latest modern safety features, we also want our cars smaller, lighter and priced the same they were in the 1980s", they moaned.

Hmmm...

robemcdonald

8,787 posts

196 months

Saturday 7th April 2018
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I’m struggling to see what mini did wrong here, apart from not giving you some magical instant repair as you’re a member of the press.
Many people managed to survive the recent inclement weather without destroying tyres. Perhaps the fact it is a press car means you weren’t driving it as considerately as you should have been in the first place.

thiscocks

3,128 posts

195 months

Saturday 7th April 2018
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sidesauce said:
"Cars are too heavy!", the PHers cried.

"Ok, we'll try and lighten them, as cheaply as we can", said the manufacturers.

"But we don't want to lose the spare wheel and we want all our mod-cons with the latest modern safety features, we also want our cars smaller, lighter and priced the same they were in the 1980s", they moaned.

Hmmm...
I don't think the reason for the omission of the spare wheel is to save weight. Its so manufactures can charge for the process of changing the tyre/wheel as per article. My boss has had his Volvo (r-design with ridiculously sized wheels and tyre side walls) in with a wheel change at the manufacturer for over two weeks while they source a wheel.

Kenny Powers

2,618 posts

127 months

Saturday 7th April 2018
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Not the best article. Comes across as an entitled moan, sorry.

These are fabulous cars though smile

PSB1967

281 posts

156 months

Saturday 7th April 2018
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The price included full recovery? Quite a bargain really apart from the inconvenience. My 2016 Fiesta ST3 has a spare that I specc'd at order. Modern cars can come with them if you pick wisely and avoid those with centre exhausts. This is another reason not to buy Mini, along with the price, poor engine reliability, poor trim quality and over complicated, over controlled BMW workings (even the climate control unit needs registering to the ECU by BMW). They look good, as do most supermodels. But like the latter I wouldn't want to live with one.

nickfrog

21,143 posts

217 months

Saturday 7th April 2018
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thiscocks said:
I don't think the reason for the omission of the spare wheel is to save weight. Its so manufactures can charge for the process of changing the tyre/wheel as per article. My boss has had his Volvo (r-design with ridiculously sized wheels and tyre side walls) in with a wheel change at the manufacturer for over two weeks while they source a wheel.
I don't think the manufacturers fix punctures or change tyres. The article doesn't say the car had to go back to where it was made.

airsport1

19 posts

74 months

Saturday 7th April 2018
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Good job you had low miles on the car. More wear on the opposite side and you would have been asked to buy two to match the axle. Own a quattro or x-drive and expect the manufacturer to request four new boots for a single puncture.

martin12345

603 posts

89 months

Saturday 7th April 2018
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This article confirms my view of life - I won't buy a car where there is no room for a spare wheel
My last 2 cars ( Fiesta & Swift) both came without a spare BUT there is a well for a spare saver ( adequate - I don't need a full size spare)

About £50 later I have a space saver off ebay and the pump kit is in my garage roof until I sell the car
Then when I change the car, I sell the space saver on ebay and get most of what it cost back

Manufacturers don't fit spare wheels now for 5 reasons:

a) Most new car buyers don't care/know/check; "company car and don't care" or "don't realise till too late"
b) It saves about 10~15kg which helps improve the quote performance, fuel economy & emissions
c) In some cases, it allows them to advertise a bigger boot (even though the extra space is virtually useless)
d) It reduces the cost of manufacturing the car; pump & goop is cheaper than wheel & tyre
e) They use the space for something else; adblue or LPG tanks being popular to go in that place

The one reason which doesn't motivate them is the money made from fitting replacements as that is made by the garages who in 99.9% of cases are not owned by the manufacturers

I think this is primarily a Euorpean phenomina, driven by

i) CO2 regulartion
ii) Competition
iii) Widescale recovery services

You won't find many cars sold in america, Africa , Asia ......... without spare wheels becuase if you breakdown in some of those places you are seriously miles from anywhere and no recovery services

Limpet

6,309 posts

161 months

Saturday 7th April 2018
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We had one of these for a week loan from the MINI dealer while ours was in for repair.

Hands down, one of the most entertaining cars that I've driven in years. Put a bigger grin on my face than my M140i does.

unsprung

5,467 posts

124 months

Saturday 7th April 2018
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How are we getting on with the launch of the non-pneumatic tyre?

cornishboy1970

37 posts

79 months

Saturday 7th April 2018
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Thanks for the article it told us all lots about the car, the way it handles and drives and will most likely help certain people make an informed buying decision.

Anything else you want to inform us about? You drove the MINI to a supermarket and they didn't have the bread that you like and you queued for hours and then it rained....?

Like my post, the article was pointless and a waste of time....


soupz

6 posts

147 months

Saturday 7th April 2018
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Because of the twin centre exhausts on a Cooper S it is physically impossible for MINI to even offer you the option of a spare wheel. What would you suggest they do?

Speed_Demon

2,662 posts

188 months

Sunday 8th April 2018
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Almost 50% over base just in options, Christ.

s m

23,223 posts

203 months

Sunday 8th April 2018
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airsport1 said:
Good job you had low miles on the car. More wear on the opposite side and you would have been asked to buy two to match the axle. Own a quattro or x-drive and expect the manufacturer to request four new boots for a single puncture.
How would a single spare tyre with new tread help if you had worn tyres on a quattro and got a flat
Would you need 2 ( or 4 spares )......or just risk the 4wd gibbons?

Spaceibiza

64 posts

110 months

Sunday 8th April 2018
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I have found the service at my local mini dealer to be excellent. (Sytner Nottingham) They always do their best to get me on my way again if anything goes wrong. As for tyres, I ticked the run flat option. Yeah the ride might be very marginally worse, but at least I have the peace of mind I won’t be stuck at the side of the road!

daemon

35,818 posts

197 months

Sunday 8th April 2018
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Speed_Demon said:
Almost 50% over base just in options, Christ.
Indeed - whilst i'm a big advocate of MINIs i'd find it hard to walk past a M140i to buy one of these.


Jamesxo92

1 posts

72 months

Sunday 8th April 2018
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Very unprofessional thread Piston Heads, this is coming from someone who has been reading your articles for years.

I am an F56 Cooper S owner myself.

The title of your article is : Communicative, fast and enjoyable. These are all things that the Works 210 is, and the Mini experience isn't

Yet you do not address a single point about the car, just focusing on the fact you got a flat tyre (just like you could in any car) and yet have the cheek to talk about it's speed and enjoyment in the title, both points never addressed to the reader.

I will admit I have had a few flat tyres (Pirelli P7 Cinturato's), but like I said before, this is just car life. I don't know what you expect when they are low profile, being either 17 or 18inch on a small hatchback with the amount of potholes there is in the UK.

You cannot fit a spare wheel as the central exhaust raises the centre of the boot floor higher. Not to mention that this is a trend with the vast majority of cars coming out the factory without a spare wheel.

Unprofessional, Ill-Informed & Childish!

Armitage.Shanks

2,275 posts

85 months

Sunday 8th April 2018
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The manufacturers foam is usually cack. Much better with a bottle of green 'Slime' given this can be washed out and the tyre plugged. Use the other stuff and most tyre places tell you the tyre is knackered because of the foam.

daemon

35,818 posts

197 months

Sunday 8th April 2018
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Armitage.Shanks said:
The manufacturers foam is usually cack. Much better with a bottle of green 'Slime' given this can be washed out and the tyre plugged. Use the other stuff and most tyre places tell you the tyre is knackered because of the foam.
Didnt know about Slime. Just read up on it and ordered a bottle off Amazon. Thank you! beer

s m

23,223 posts

203 months

Sunday 8th April 2018
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daemon said:
Armitage.Shanks said:
The manufacturers foam is usually cack. Much better with a bottle of green 'Slime' given this can be washed out and the tyre plugged. Use the other stuff and most tyre places tell you the tyre is knackered because of the foam.
Didnt know about Slime. Just read up on it and ordered a bottle off Amazon. Thank you! beer
They do bike inner tubes pre coated in it and I've found them very good - was on a bike ride with my sons the other weekend - spotted a thorn clicking its way round on the tyre, pulled it out ( do have a puncture repair kit as a couple of our inner tubes are still not Slime ones - replacing them as they go ) and got home 5 miles with no apparent loss of inflation. Checked it a couple of days later and it was still fine