RE: Ford Fiesta ST200 vs. Peugeot Sport 208 GTI

RE: Ford Fiesta ST200 vs. Peugeot Sport 208 GTI

Sunday 6th May 2018

Ford Fiesta ST200 vs. Peugeot Sport 208 GTI

With the new fast Fiesta imminent, how does the run-out model compare to our current favourite?



At last then, and on the cusp of driving the replacement next week, there's an opportunity to bring together the outgoing Ford Fiesta ST and the Peugeot Sport 208 GTI. It's a test we've been meaning to do for yonks, for a host of reasons: it's a comparison you've been calling for off the back of Ben's Fleet updates, it means driving two fantastic hot hatches and, just as importantly, it underlines their respective achievements given what went before.

The previous Fiesta ST was far from a terrible car, but it was categorically not a class leader. Since its introduction in 2013, the Ecoboost ST has banished nearly all memory of that car, offering a devilishly tempting blend of lusty performance, boisterous dynamism and excellent value for money. The Fiesta has forced anybody spending around £25k on some kind of fast car to reconsider - it's that good.


If anything the 208 marks an even larger triumph for its maker, because the 207 GTI represented Peugeot's hot hatch nadir. It was an absolute stinker. Now thanks to some cracking Peugeot Sport creations - this 208, the 308 GTI and the RCZ R - enthusiasts can eagerly anticipate new fast Peugeots, not cower in fear at what might emerge.

More than that, together both Fiesta and 208 present a compelling riposte to the ever more complex world of the hyper hatch. To those who feel that adaptive dampers, four-wheel drive and 1,500kg kerbweights have no place in a hot hatch, this pair will prove a tonic. Nothing has to be configured, the performance can really be exploited away from a circuit and they actually fit on a British B-road. Think of the hot hatch icons that are also around 200hp and 1,200kg - Ford Focus RS Mk1, Honda Civic Type R, Renault Megane R26 - and you'll see why these two are so appealing.


The Fiesta ST, emboldened further here by its run-out ST200 spec with what seemingly amounts to the Mountune MP215 upgrade, makes you wonder why you would ever need anything more in a hot hatch. It was and remains such a perfectly judged package: there's enough power for the weight, sufficient grip for the speed you'll have accrued between corners and just the right response from all areas to make the most of another fine Ford chassis. No single element stands out, instead every dynamic element of the Fiesta ST comes together to ensure a lunatic-style gurn from even the most placid driver.

More often than not, it implores you to drive quickly; the eager throttle response, rorty induction note, darty front end and slick gearshift goad you into carrying a little more speed here, brake a bit later there and generally behave like a bit of an oik everywhere. Which is what the best hot hatches do, don't they?


The Fiesta's success is in not trying to reinvent the wheel, or gratuitously overcomplicate the hot hatch; it takes the simple, endearing appeal of the classic pocket rockets and brings it sufficiently up to date to be called accommodating - all the while retaining a mischievous, cheeky, slightly naughty edge. It's a tougher, faster, sillier version of the best driving supermini out there, with predictably pleasing results. You know where you are with the Fiesta ST from the off, with little to learn and lots to enjoy.

Get into a corner too quick and a lift will tighten the car's line; push on a bit further and you'll find the Fiesta happy to wag its tail has outlandishly as you want, the whole car pirouetting around its gearstick. The balance feels so friendly and so malleable that you just can't help flinging the ST into every bend and flooring your way out. The traction is strong, the brakes are decent and the Mountune kit certainly makes the little Ecoboost turbo more willing. It's a hoot, the ST, a simple and time honed recipe executed with aplomb and setting a very high bar for the next fast Fiesta to match.


What can the 208 bring by way of opposition? An awful lot, in fact, which the Peugeot Sport car deserves more credit for than it has probably received. Certain elements are worse than the Fiesta - the driving position is even more awkward, there's more turbo lag and the gearbox is baggier - but don't discount it: this little Peugeot remains on of the best hot hatches on sale.

How so? Because while it's a more capable car than the Fiesta, possessing more sophistication and finesse, it never lets any of these traits spoil the entertainment. Where it felt like the Ford was turning in quickly, the Peugeot is even more agile; what seemed like decent traction in the Fiesta is exposed as slightly wayward by the 208 and where the grey car can reach a slightly ragged climax, the orange one keeps on delivering. The GTI's behaviour is testament to the engineering work that went into it; detailed tweaks like wider tracks, increased negative camber at the front and a standard limited-slip diff - the kind of stuff that casual enthusiasts wouldn't notice but make a real difference to those who care.


Gah, the Ford is good though. It's just as fast, makes a better noise and never makes you feel like you're missing out - although that's kind of the Peugeot's trick. Drive nothing other than a Fiesta ST and you'd be mightily impressed, but with them back-to-back, the 208 reveals that extra edge. The brakes are stronger, the body control is better yet the ride more compliant and, while there is more lag, the Peugeot's top end rush is more exciting, too.

Put it this way: the Peugeot Sport 208 GTI will almost certainly always be more expensive than the Fiesta ST, yet it feels that way, too. It's a more sophisticated, more accomplished and (very slightly) more entertaining car to drive, as you would hope it to be given the price premium (against a regular ST that is, not this limited edition). Throw in a higher quality interior and what you're left with is an objectively superior hot hatch. Even if it's more costly. So where does that leave us?

For a cheap, cheerful and riotously good fun car, there's still nothing better for the money - considerably less than £10k now, don't forget - than a Fiesta ST. For the best hot hatch this segment has seen since the last Renaultsport Clio, however, and the best fast Peugeot in 20 years, pay more money and get the 208. As for the Fiesta's replacement, if it can combine the effervescence and impish thrills of this ST with an additional layer of chassis expertise - options like the Quaife LSD suggest it might - then it promises to be an absolute corker.

SPECIFICATION - FORD FIESTA ST200
Engine: 1,596cc, turbocharged 4-cyl
Transmission: 6-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 218@6,000rpm (on overboost)
Torque (lb ft): 236@3,000rpm (on overboost)
0-62mph: 6.7sec
Top speed: 143mph
Weight: 1,163kg
MPG: 46.3
CO2: 140g/km
Price: £22,745

SPECIFICATION - PEUGEOT SPORT 208 GTI
Engine: 1,593cc, turbocharged 4-cyl
Transmission: 6-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 208@6,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 221@3,000rpm
0-62mph: 6.5sec
Top speed: 143mph
Weight: 1,160kg
MPG: 52.3
CO2: 125g/km
Price: £23,550 (As tested £24,250 comprising £250 for Peugeot Connect SOS & Assistance, £250 for Active City Brake and £200 for Reversing Camera)

Inspired? Search for a used Fiesta ST here, and a 208 GTI here

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Kenny Powers

Original Poster:

2,618 posts

127 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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I’ll never grow to like that steering wheel setup in the Peugeot.

What did you get from McDonald’s?

wab172uk

2,005 posts

227 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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Peugeot were the default car of choice back in the day. Some great cars.

But today, I think I'd choose the Fiesta everyday. While the current (old) fiesta was a button-fest inside, the ride was great, and the seats very supportive. Tried to update my Twingo 133 RS run-a-round earlier this year with a Fiesta ST, but as Evan Helshaw don't even give £1 off their cars, it didn't quite happen.

I'll be interested to see how the new Fiesta ST stacks up. Especially if (as rumoured) you can buy and fit performance parts direct from Ford. Coil-overs etc as well as Montune tuning kits

Dr Nookie

234 posts

200 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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Even if the Peugeot was 10k cheaper I think I'd still rather have the Fiesta. I've developed a significant bias against Peugeot over the years. It might even be irrational, but there's no way I could hand over any significant money for anything they currently make(or have made since the proper 205).

Fiesta every time.

ecsrobin

17,093 posts

165 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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The only bit for me is the fiesta interior does nothing for me, the pug not being much better.

steve-5snwi

8,653 posts

93 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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The208 could be the greatest car in the world but the Fischer price steering wheel would always put me off.

Drive Blind

5,092 posts

177 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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I have not sat in any modern pug but that driving position and the position of the clocks 'looks' totally wrong.The pic in the article shows the steering wheel blocks the views of the clocks.

It can't be that bad in reality, can it ?

Drive Blind

5,092 posts

177 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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[attenborough] and here, we see, the junior members of the family relaxed in their natural habitat [/attenborough] hehe

ecsrobin

17,093 posts

165 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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Drive Blind said:


attenborough said:
and here, we see, the junior members of the family relaxed in their natural habitat
hehe
rofl

MJ85

1,849 posts

174 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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Going against the grain here; I’d have the Pug.

ArnageWRC

2,063 posts

159 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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I wouldn't mind either to be honest - however, which ever one has at least a space saver will get the nod.

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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The Peugeot all day long. The Fiesta really is a horrible looking thing inside and out. And who wants to drive a fastish Ford - the chav image is second to none.

rjfp1962

7,697 posts

73 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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ArnageWRC said:
I wouldn't mind either to be honest - however, which ever one has at least a space saver will get the nod.
My 2016 ST 2 came with space saver spare as an option.

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

93 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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208 for me - I love 'em, I wouldn't blame anybody for choosing the Fiesta instead however as that is a great car (well, the non 200 one that I drove was).

Do they still do the two tone paint job on the Pug? I'd have it in that, biggrin

2172cc

1,096 posts

97 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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Drive Blind said:
I have not sat in any modern pug but that driving position and the position of the clocks 'looks' totally wrong.The pic in the article shows the steering wheel blocks the views of the clocks.

It can't be that bad in reality, can it ?
I've had my 208 GTi for two years now and at first the small wheel/ instruments relationship was a bit strange but soon got used to it. I can see the logic in it but in reality the conventional setup works better. I found that raising the seat up a fraction and lowering the wheel a bit gave me a good view of the dials. Because the binnacle is high set your mind thinks your sitting higher than normal but in reality it's very comfortable . Also the steering is quite quick so a small wheel can feel really good when pressing on.

Greg 172

233 posts

201 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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2172cc said:
I've had my 208 GTi for two years now and at first the small wheel/ instruments relationship was a bit strange but soon got used to it. I can see the logic in it but in reality the conventional setup works better. I found that raising the seat up a fraction and lowering the wheel a bit gave me a good view of the dials. Because the binnacle is high set your mind thinks your sitting higher than normal but in reality it's very comfortable . Also the steering is quite quick so a small wheel can feel really good when pressing on.
I find getting in to anything other than my 208 GTi a very odd experience now. Seems archaic having to look through a window formed by the steering wheel to see dials!

poing

8,743 posts

200 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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2172cc said:
Drive Blind said:
I have not sat in any modern pug but that driving position and the position of the clocks 'looks' totally wrong.The pic in the article shows the steering wheel blocks the views of the clocks.

It can't be that bad in reality, can it ?
I've had my 208 GTi for two years now and at first the small wheel/ instruments relationship was a bit strange but soon got used to it. I can see the logic in it but in reality the conventional setup works better. I found that raising the seat up a fraction and lowering the wheel a bit gave me a good view of the dials. Because the binnacle is high set your mind thinks your sitting higher than normal but in reality it's very comfortable . Also the steering is quite quick so a small wheel can feel really good when pressing on.
I test drove one before I bought my Fiesta. I liked the rest of the interior and preferred the engine of the 208 but for life of me couldn't find a position where I could see the dials. I think I'm too short to be able to get high enough but it was enough to stop me buying the car despite really wanting to take the 208 purely because it wasn't a Fiesta like everyone else has.

greenarrow

3,580 posts

117 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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Another vote for the Fiesta... in fact, I'd be quite tempted to go for the 140PS little 1 litre ecoboost St Line model they did instead, as I reckon it would be an absolute blast...

BTW, we own a Mk 6 ST150 and its nowhere near as bad as the motoring press makes out. The chassis was extensively developed on track, it handles extremely well and just lacks proper hot hatch performance. Its quick enough to be fun however....reminds me a bit of an old 8 valve Golf GTI.

Anyway, looking forward to the new ST.

Helicopter123

8,831 posts

156 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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Did they forget to paint the Fiesta?

macky17

2,212 posts

189 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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greenarrow said:
Another vote for the Fiesta... in fact, I'd be quite tempted to go for the 140PS little 1 litre ecoboost St Line model they did instead, as I reckon it would be an absolute blast...
My other half has one of these and yes, it is bloody good fun. Great turn in as there’s no weight over the front axle really. Much more comfortable than an ST and averages almost 50mpg. Nowhere near as fast though (but more than enough).

Patch888

701 posts

128 months

Sunday 6th May 2018
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Had my mp215 5 door for just over a year, still love driving it.