RE: BT62 busts lap record for fun (says Brabham)

RE: BT62 busts lap record for fun (says Brabham)

Tuesday 19th June 2018

Brabham BT62 filmed testing: Update!

Australian testing continues, but the Brabham is heading to Europe very soon as well...



UPDATE: 19/06/18:
Brabham’s Australian testing programme has concluded with a series of laps at The Bend, a motorsport venue near Adelaide. The car will now head to Europe, and specifically to Portimao, to begin it’s calibration to the Northern Hemisphere’s circuits.

Of the testing so far, Brabham’s Director of Engineering and Technology, Paul Birch, said “Our testing in Australia has proven what the BT62 is capable of in terms of performance, pace and handling – and it’s seriously impressive. As the program advances into Europe, we’ll continue to balance and optimise the car’s set-up and configurations for different driving styles, tracks and conditions."

Nothing in the way of new detail then, other than what we can glean from the video of the test released by Brabham. Showing the car lapping in the wet, two things are apparent. One, that it looks fantastic, and two, that it sounds absolutely mega, that 710hp 5.4-litre V8 screaming up to well over 7,000rpm. Hopefully more will become apparent once it reaches European shores, and perhaps there’ll even be a chance for us to have a go ourselves…

 

(Dafydd Wood)



ORIGINAL STORY, AS REPORTED 25/05/2018:
"In a different league." That's how Brabham describes the BT62. The league it's differentiating itself from? Supercars and track-biased road cars; the fledgling manufacturer says it's better to think of it as an unrestricted GT racer.

If that sounds like wishful thinking, then Brabham Automotive's Director of Technology and Engineering, Paul Birch, made another claim to back it up: "To give you an idea of just how fast it is, we eclipsed the official outright lap record at Phillip Island during testing - a record formerly held by an open-wheeled car. We didn't go out to set a time, and it wasn't officially recorded, but it demonstrates the car's potential."


Now, anything a manufacturer says about lap times must be taken with a sceptical pinch of salt - and anything unverified by an official stopwatch, even more so - but assuming there's at least a kernel of truth in that statement (and given the lap record at Phillip Island is held by a 20-year-old Formula Holden car, there probably is), the BT62 would appear to be shaping up quite nicely.

Certainly, as we covered off a few weeks ago, it has the ingredients (there's a 710hp 5.4-litre V8 under that body; and reportedly over 1,200kg of downforce pinched from the airflow). It would also, from the evidence of the first video, seem to have quite the soundtrack, too. Which is nice.

What else have we learnt? Well, the first deposits have been taken, and production has begun at Brabham Automotive's advanced manufacturing facility in Adelaide. The company remains committed to delivering the first examples to customers later this year. We look forward to seeing the car on a European track. With a video data logger attached.

 

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964Cup

Original Poster:

1,426 posts

237 months

Friday 25th May 2018
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I honestly don't understand what cars like this are for. They're not road legal, so it's not "race car for the road" stuff. They're immensely expensive, so it's not "race car performance at road car prices" either. Why wouldn't you just buy a GT2 or GT3-class race car? If I was in this market, I'd be asking Porsche if I could pretty please have a GT3R. For the price of a BT62, you could get a proper, well-developed and race-winning car, plus a spares package, plus the cost of a season's fully-supported racing.

sungsam

29 posts

78 months

Friday 25th May 2018
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I would also do exactly as you describe!, however, there are extremely wealthy people out there, people who would never be able to race but would like the idea of driving this car under guidance on a race track, the type that may get a thrill from paying thousands of $ to be guided to drive a supercar at 200mph. Some of these may even pay millions to run a race team. I believe these are the target market.

GetCarter

29,373 posts

279 months

Friday 25th May 2018
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964Cup said:
I honestly don't understand what cars like this are for. .
They are only making 70 (for track use only) will sell them all, and make their money back, and bring the name Brabham back into view.

Can't see why they wouldn't.

I assume they have other plans further down the line.

V10Ace

301 posts

93 months

Friday 25th May 2018
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964Cup said:
I honestly don't understand what cars like this are for. They're not road legal, so it's not "race car for the road" stuff. They're immensely expensive, so it's not "race car performance at road car prices" either. Why wouldn't you just buy a GT2 or GT3-class race car? If I was in this market, I'd be asking Porsche if I could pretty please have a GT3R. For the price of a BT62, you could get a proper, well-developed and race-winning car, plus a spares package, plus the cost of a season's fully-supported racing.
Not for you to understand.... no point in obviously hurting your brain with all this stuff about new money fun... laugh


Take it you dont like other people having fun in which ever way they choose, even if that doesn't fit into one of "your" box's"

Do "You" really have to understand it, even if "you" are clearly not the target market ???
rolleyes





Edited by V10Ace on Friday 25th May 17:51

Amanitin

420 posts

137 months

Friday 25th May 2018
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GetCarter said:
They are only making 70 (for track use only) will sell them all, and make their money back, and bring the name Brabham back into view.
the GP contemplated buying them, not selling.

HardMiles

317 posts

86 months

Friday 25th May 2018
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I literally love it. More imaginative than a McLaren, something different, looks ace, goes like the clappers (what doesn’t these days), sounds good to boot. If I had the money *checks sofa*, I would be the target market. I’d then throw extra at someone to make it be road registered so that I can use it however I like. One day! *checks sofa again*

dunc_sx

1,608 posts

197 months

Friday 25th May 2018
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I like it, probs about 4 secs quicker than moto-gp record too - Why not, looks like fun smile

redroadster

1,737 posts

232 months

Saturday 26th May 2018
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Im interested to know how a track prepared ultima compares to the latest mcclaren and these track based cars as they cost a lot less ?

964Cup

Original Poster:

1,426 posts

237 months

Sunday 27th May 2018
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V10Ace said:
Not for you to understand.... no point in obviously hurting your brain with all this stuff about new money fun... laugh


Take it you dont like other people having fun in which ever way they choose, even if that doesn't fit into one of "your" box's"

Do "You" really have to understand it, even if "you" are clearly not the target market ???
rolleyes





Edited by V10Ace on Friday 25th May 17:51
Fabulous. Not just ad hominem, ill-informed ad hominem.

Let's pretend that you won the lottery, were you old enough to play. Would you buy one of these, or go GT racing? I've been GT racing, so I know which one I'd do. I'll say it again. Why would you buy a track-only car that's not only not eligible for any current race series, but also insanely expensive? I have exactly the same opinion about the FXX programme, don't understand that either. But at least there's an actual heritage at work there, not just a badge.

I understand the track-day car thing. Road-registered quick toys for people without the pockets to go racing, and without the means or desire to store and transport a car you can't drive on the roads. But cars that cost as much as (more than one) fully-funded season in GT3 but will only ever be driven at 6/10ths with a load of nannying rules? Might as well buy a road car and enjoy the pose value.

964Cup

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1,426 posts

237 months

Sunday 27th May 2018
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redroadster said:
Im interested to know how a track prepared ultima compares to the latest mcclaren and these track based cars as they cost a lot less ?
No one knows about the Brabham because this is just PR bks. As for the McLaren in comparison the Ultima will be:

less stiff
less powerful (or, if as powerful, less driveable or less reliable)
lower downforce
vastly less clever (no active anything, no stability control, no driving modes etc etc)
probably less safe - although with a cage, harnesses and an extinguisher, race cars don't have quite the same need for sophisticated safety engineering as road cars, so the lack of crumple zones and so on won't be a huge issue on the track.

It will be vastly, vastly slower (in racing car terms). But almost certainly more fun to drive for most people. And you could buy one and write it off ten times before you'd reached the price of the McLaren, so if you could afford either, the Ultima would probably be the one you drove harder.

As above, you could also buy a proper GT3 car (or a used GT2) for the price of the Senna and still have money left over to campaign it in something. I don't know what the Porsche Cup costs to do now, but when I left it was about £150k for the car and £250k per season to run it at the sharp end. You could do a lot worse than spend the money on that, IMO.

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 27th May 2018
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I suspect the reason not many rich people actually go racing is that it, er, can be a real ego deflating process! Finding out in black and white objective terms just how slow a driver you are probably doesn't sit well with the average rich show-off.........

Bonefish Blues

26,619 posts

223 months

Sunday 27th May 2018
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HardMiles said:
I literally love it. More imaginative than a McLaren, something different, looks ace, goes like the clappers (what doesn’t these days), sounds good to boot. If I had the money *checks sofa*, I would be the target market. I’d then throw extra at someone to make it be road registered so that I can use it however I like. One day! *checks sofa again*
Here is a (NSFW) man who is also literally loving a car.

https://www.peoplesrepublicofcork.com/forums/showt...

roland82

257 posts

215 months

Monday 28th May 2018
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Well we can't really verify their claims yet, but it looked properly planted through the second to last corner in that video.

Panjy

162 posts

146 months

Monday 28th May 2018
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I honestly don't understand what cars like this are for

I honestly don't understand why so many people feel the need to drive two tonne SUV's that are too big for our roads, cost more to buy and yet are slower and less economical than a normal sized car with the same size engine.
But that doesn't stop a sizeable proportion of the car driving public from doing so does it.
So they are not my thing, but obviously do fit what some people want.

This car however is exactly what i would love to own as a track play thing.
None of the unnecessary luxuries that only add weight and hinder a car on track, but much better finished than a race car.
All the effort seems to have gone into making it ridiculously fast on track & pleasing on the eye, what's not to like.

Piginapoke

4,753 posts

185 months

Monday 28th May 2018
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I like it, it's a pretty car and I would have this over a Senna without a doubt. I imagine they are planning a road legal version next?


Truckosaurus

11,249 posts

284 months

Monday 28th May 2018
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A big part of the appeal will be owning something that your fellow billionaires do not.

As mentioned above, a 911 GT race car would be as quicker but the billionaires less knowledgeable chums couldn't tell the difference between it and a £15k 996.

964Cup

Original Poster:

1,426 posts

237 months

Tuesday 29th May 2018
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Truckosaurus said:
A big part of the appeal will be owning something that your fellow billionaires do not.

As mentioned above, a 911 GT race car would be as quicker but the billionaires less knowledgeable chums couldn't tell the difference between it and a £15k 996.
That's the bit where I stop following the logic. How anyone gets to be rich enough to buy one of these and still gives two hoots what somebody else thinks about their wealth escapes me, even though I obviously appreciate that this happens. I'm not a billionaire by any means, but I can afford things and I can't imagine buying them solely or largely in order to impress other people rather than maximise my own enjoyment.

And no, owning a BT62 won't get you chicks, either.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 29th May 2018
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Immense fun. Want.

Adam B

27,211 posts

254 months

Tuesday 29th May 2018
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964Cup said:
I can't imagine buying them solely or largely in order to impress other people rather than maximise my own enjoyment.
if you have so much money it ceases to have much value I think that's precisely what they do - see Sloane Street in a few weeks time for further evidence

coppice

8,596 posts

144 months

Wednesday 30th May 2018
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Cynical exploitation of a once legendary racing car manufacturer . Let the ..ahem..Vauxhall Brabham Viva be forgotten ok ?

People will buy it, presumably from the same willy waving demographic which buys all these other silly track only cars which sort of look like road cars but can't be driven on them . So that means they have to be judged by the standards of other track only cars . And that's where all the puffery and talk of lap records starts to unravel . Lap records - how many times? - are set in races. Not in testing , practice or qualifying . And for all the talk of its potential why not put the money where the corporate mouth is and race it? When , even if the buyer could drive it he might think his gazillion quid investment not so impressive when any cheap as chips Formula Jedi or Dallara F3 would annihilate it .