RE: Lancia Delta HF Integrale 8V: Spotted

RE: Lancia Delta HF Integrale 8V: Spotted

Saturday 9th June 2018

Lancia Delta HF Integrale 8V: Spotted

It may not be the full-fat Evo, but the HF Integrale 8V remains iconic - and cheaper than you think



Years ago, in the days before penicillin, the little Giugiaro-designed Lancia Delta, a square-sided, five-door, front-wheel drive family hatchback of neat detail and adequate dynamic abilities, won the 1980 European Car of the Year award.

It's fair to say that those not in the know saw no obvious clue in this simple car to the humdinger of a thing we now know later evolutions of it became. Despite the firm's considerable successes in rallying at the time, and the fact that Fiats and Lancias of this period were always happily susceptible to a bit of aftermarket tuning.

Indeed here we are, 38 years later, pawing over an ad for one of its later variants, some of us almost priapic in the discovery that this wonderfully charismatic little thing can still be bought - at least in this earliest, and some would say unmolested - form, for a not ridiculous sum of cash.


You see this early Delta HF Integrale 8v, plucked from our classifieds, is on offer for £18,495, whereas a later Evo model could easily set you back two or three times as much.

True, it's not as quick as an Evo, nor is it quite as deliberately eye-catching or demonstrably purposeful, but its relative simplicity is still tantalising, and its performance still thrilling.

Under the bonnet is that delightful 185hp 2.0-litre twin-cam four, with a Garrett T3 turbo enlarging its lungs. It endowed the Integrale with 0 to 60mph performance of 6.6 seconds, a time that still seems outstandingly good today, and felt little short of rocket science back then. Indeed if you take one out now and wring it by its neck it still sounds ace, emitting an intoxicatingly zingy rasp as it approaches the red line. It corners beautifully, too, with lucid and responsive steering, high levels of four-wheel drive grip and a chassis balance that is a lesson in fluidity and neutrality.


True, its interior looks a little dated - no, it looks very dated - and the switchgear's pretty unappetising, but the Momo steering wheel's great and the Alcantara trim is a neat touch. Sitting on the left to drive it does give it a whiff of the exotic, and we haven't even mentioned the phenomenal rallying success yet!

This Monza Red example's an original UK car, too, rather than a later import, and has only 64,000 miles on the clock (okay, okay, 103,000 kms). It's unmodded, offers a service history and a stack of old MOTs, as well as a full catalogue of recent work and overhauls done. I think it would be possible to spend a great deal more and have a great deal less fun.


SPECIFICATION: LANCIA DELTA HF INTEGRALE 8V

Engine: Front 2.0-litre twin-cam inline turbocharged four
Transmission: Five-speed manual, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 185
Torque (lb ft): 224
0-60mph: 6.6 seconds
Top speed: 135mph

See the full ad here

Mark Pearson

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IMI A

Original Poster:

9,410 posts

201 months

Saturday 9th June 2018
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Other than the fact anyone who knows Integrales will know that this car is worn out by 65,000 miles and will require a full restoration not a bad spot. Worth circa £10k gbp

oilit

2,625 posts

178 months

Saturday 9th June 2018
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There I was, sat down with my coffee - half asleep, and I thought - ahhh a story about a nice easily affordable italian car....

Then I saw the price...

Is it just me? but £18K is still a lot of money in my book

That's not to say this isn't worth it - (I have no idea tbh as these cars are not on my radar)

Maybe I'm just getting old LOL

Veeayt

3,139 posts

205 months

Saturday 9th June 2018
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I had one for a short while, and all I can remember is that it was awfully thirsty - like single digit MPG thirsty when driven properly.

Vergis

549 posts

242 months

Saturday 9th June 2018
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Dont forget the service book runs out after 100,000 miles which tells you a lot how long they expected this car to last.

I do miss my old one though...

rossub

4,442 posts

190 months

Saturday 9th June 2018
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oilit said:
There I was, sat down with my coffee - half asleep, and I thought - ahhh a story about a nice easily affordable italian car....

Then I saw the price...

Is it just me? but £18K is still a lot of money in my book

That's not to say this isn't worth it - (I have no idea tbh as these cars are not on my radar)

Maybe I'm just getting old LOL
Seconded. I thought it might be £10k. £18k is daft money for an 8v

jamies30

5,910 posts

229 months

Saturday 9th June 2018
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rossub said:
£18k is daft money for an 8v
You’re right, except that the cheapest evo on Autotrader seems to be £35k. There’s no way the evo is twice as good a car as the 8v or 16v. So as much as this seems steep, there’s really no reason for it to be much cheaper.

Helicopter123

8,831 posts

156 months

Saturday 9th June 2018
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This one is shagged.

Chestrockwell

2,627 posts

157 months

Saturday 9th June 2018
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18 grand, 18......grand,

I’m a car man, massive car man however I don’t see the appeal with these old Italian heaps of st, 18 thousand pounds.

rallycross

12,790 posts

237 months

Saturday 9th June 2018
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I stopped reading at “Here at Xclusive Motorz”.

I remember when these were struggling to sell at £5k when prices bottomed out around 1996/98.

Even back then scruffy ones were total rot boxes and were often simply not worth trying to repair/tidy up.


DeltaEvo2

869 posts

192 months

Saturday 9th June 2018
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Chestrockwell said:
18 grand, 18......grand,

I’m a car man, massive car man however I don’t see the appeal with these old Italian heaps of st, 18 thousand pounds.
If you WERE a massive car man you wouldn't have produced such statement. History, unbeaten rally success, pedigree, dictate such prices. Some Deltas go for over £100,000. Is that value for money? Only the buyer can answer that.

Andy665

3,622 posts

228 months

Saturday 9th June 2018
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Relative bargain compared to many an old Ford

big_rob_sydney

3,402 posts

194 months

Saturday 9th June 2018
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jamies30 said:
rossub said:
£18k is daft money for an 8v
You’re right, except that the cheapest evo on Autotrader seems to be £35k. There’s no way the evo is twice as good a car as the 8v or 16v. So as much as this seems steep, there’s really no reason for it to be much cheaper.
Is that a valid comparison though?

Look at other rally cars; a Tommi Mak is worth what compared to its lesser siblings. And the 22B? I can show you some 1998 WRXs that are worth 1k or less, whereas a 22B at Goodwood sold for over 100k recently. Does that mean the metric ought to be 100 to 1?

I'm all for comparisons being used, but I just think this car is nowhere near the asking price.

cat with a hat

1,484 posts

118 months

Saturday 9th June 2018
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rallycross said:
I stopped reading at “Here at Xclusive Motorz”.

I remember when these were struggling to sell at £5k when prices bottomed out around 1996/98.

Even back then scruffy ones were total rot boxes and were often simply not worth trying to repair/tidy up.
Mega edit:

Around 2009 they ranged between about
2-5k

There was always a huge price difference between an 8v, 16v, evo and evo 2... Disproportionately.



Edited by cat with a hat on Saturday 9th June 18:18

jamies30

5,910 posts

229 months

Saturday 9th June 2018
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big_rob_sydney said:
jamies30 said:
rossub said:
£18k is daft money for an 8v
You’re right, except that the cheapest evo on Autotrader seems to be £35k. There’s no way the evo is twice as good a car as the 8v or 16v. So as much as this seems steep, there’s really no reason for it to be much cheaper.
Is that a valid comparison though?

Look at other rally cars; a Tommi Mak is worth what compared to its lesser siblings. And the 22B? I can show you some 1998 WRXs that are worth 1k or less, whereas a 22B at Goodwood sold for over 100k recently. Does that mean the metric ought to be 100 to 1?

I'm all for comparisons being used, but I just think this car is nowhere near the asking price.
I think it’s a reasonable comparison, given that the 8v and 16v cars won five WRC between them, the evo won only one, and the evo II won none at all. So if motorsport pedigree drives the value, the evo versions should be the cheapest, by a margin.

Blaster72

10,838 posts

197 months

Saturday 9th June 2018
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rallycross said:
I stopped reading at “Here at Xclusive Motorz”.

I remember when these were struggling to sell at £5k when prices bottomed out around 1996/98.

Even back then scruffy ones were total rot boxes and were often simply not worth trying to repair/tidy up.
I had a 16v one in 2000, I bought it for £8k and struggled to sell it 9 months later for £5k.

It was an unreliable but lovable machine back then, now I can't think of anything worse to waste £18k on. Some cars really are just best left in the past.

BVB

1,102 posts

153 months

Saturday 9th June 2018
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Slightly wider wheels would help it look much closer to it's beefier brother.

spodrod

224 posts

150 months

Saturday 9th June 2018
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rallycross said:
I stopped reading at “Here at Xclusive Motorz”.
+1

SlimJim16v

5,658 posts

143 months

Saturday 9th June 2018
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"pawing" rofl Must've been written by a cat.

Tim16V

419 posts

182 months

Saturday 9th June 2018
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An apparently immaculate (virtually concours it seems) and very low mileage standard 8V went through CCA last week and sold for £18k - not sure if this included buyer's premium or not.

Either way that seems to be the top end of the scale for them.

Tim16V

419 posts

182 months

Saturday 9th June 2018
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Tim16V said:
An apparently immaculate (virtually concours it seems) and very low mileage standard 8V went through CCA last week and sold for £18k - not sure if this included buyer's premium or not.

Either way that seems to be the top end of the scale for them.
It was £17k:

https://www.classiccarauctions.co.uk/lancia-delta-...