RE: Showpiece of the Week: Porsche 959

RE: Showpiece of the Week: Porsche 959

Monday 11th June 2018

Showpiece of the Week: Porsche 959

Well, if it's good enough for Bill Gates...



By any standard, the 959 was one of the most significant cars to ever roll from a Porsche production line. It was a contemporary of the mid-engined Ferrari F40 and much heavier - yet it was faster, rarer and certainly no less famous than Enzo's final sign-off. It was ostensibly built to go rallying in the furnace of Group B, but its legend was sealed in homologated road car format, where it was not only considered the quickest street-legal production car at launch, but also the most technically advanced.

It had its innovative all-wheel drive system to thank for both virtues. Computer-controlled, hydraulically operated multi-plate clutches were destined to become all the rage in the decades that followed, but in the early eighties the technology was positively space-age. The PSK (Porsche-Steuer Kupplung, since you asked) setup didn't require wheel slip for its torque to move dynamically, which meant that the 959 could pre-emptively split drive between front and rear as the conditions demanded.


It was a level of sophistication that delivered what seemed like outlandish performance. With 80 percent of the power deployed rearward, the 959 was capable of hitting 62mph in 3.7 seconds. It had a sub 12 second 1/4 mile time, and - if you went for the upgraded output option - it would comfortably exceed 200mph. The source of the power was no less state-of-the-art than the drivetrain which deployed it. The twin-turbocharged 2.8-litre flat-six was originally built for racing, too, and developed 450hp (at a time when the 911 (930) Turbo produced only 300hp).

The engine didn't share much with its sibling either. For a start it was partially water-cooled, dry-sumped and featured a host of exotic materials in its construction, including titanium conrods. Its dual KKK turbochargers were made to function sequentially for better response, and could summon 296lb ft by 2,500rpm, with 369lb ft arriving at 5,500rpm. Mated to a bespoke Borg-Warner six-speed manual gearbox, this delivered enormous drivability - but it didn't prevent the flat-six from revving to 8,000rpm either.


Porsche wrapped the lot in that inimitable body; 911-like (not least because it shared that car's platform), but distinguished by that dramatically flared rear end which exceeded even the Turbo's width by 2.5 inches. To keep weight down, the manufacturer used aluminum alloy for some of the body parts, as well as Kevlar composite. The 959's styling owes as much to a wind tunnel as the designer's pen though: stability at speed was the primary requirement, with the engineers determined to eliminate aerodynamic lift. Alongside an adjustable ride height function, they achieved an ultra slippery 0.31 drag coefficient in the process.

In total 337 cars were built, with eight more added in the early nineties. It was later claimed that Porsche lost a six-figure sum on every example sold - despite wearing a circa £145k sticker when new. But the lessons learned during its development were colossal and directly influenced not just the subsequent generation of 911s, but also the future engineering preferences of the entire firm. As a result of its talismanic status, its values remain prodigiously high. This being PH, there is a choice of five available in the classifieds, with this 1988 Comfort-spec German example up for 850,000 euros at Coys. Classic cars do not come in a more modern format.


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JMF894

Original Poster:

5,501 posts

155 months

Monday 11th June 2018
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Teenage poster boy stuff but I'll have a F40 thanks.

green911

145 posts

209 months

Monday 11th June 2018
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Surely to correct comparison should be to the 288GTO

Mave

8,208 posts

215 months

Monday 11th June 2018
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green911 said:
Surely to correct comparison should be to the 288GTO
Why? The 959 and F40 were contempories, from mid / late 80s through until early 90s.

clonmult

10,529 posts

209 months

Monday 11th June 2018
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green911 said:
Surely to correct comparison should be to the 288GTO
Nope, that was a few years ealier (3-4 years before?).

It was all F40 v 959 in the magazines back in the day.

Gecko1978

9,704 posts

157 months

Monday 11th June 2018
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I thought the quoted top speed was 197mph which while for a time the fastest road car meant it was eclipsed by 201mph F40 even though the F40 was a far less sophisticated car. Had the porsche been first to do 200mph I suspect it would have been the poster car of the 90s.

personally I would rather have this over an F40

Paddy78

208 posts

146 months

Monday 11th June 2018
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I remember buying Car Magazine when I was very young as they had a feature article on the 959 vs F40. I think I've always preferred the F40, but that's a bit like asking myself which of my eye's do I like better... probably my right one, but I'd do anything to keep the other!

These are fast getting out of lottery win price range. Truly one of the best cars ever made in my humble opinion. Proper childhood fantasy stuff. cloud9

HTP99

22,545 posts

140 months

Monday 11th June 2018
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Absolutely love these and would have one over anything else.

Alfa numeric

3,026 posts

179 months

Monday 11th June 2018
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green911 said:
Surely to correct comparison should be to the 288GTO


Autocar disagreed...

As did Car Magazine

I'd have either. Or rather both.

browngt3

1,411 posts

211 months

Monday 11th June 2018
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clonmult said:
green911 said:
Surely to correct comparison should be to the 288GTO
Nope, that was a few years ealier (3-4 years before?).

It was all F40 v 959 in the magazines back in the day.
I believe the 959 was launched as the Gruppe B concept at Geneva. The Ferrari 288GTO was also launched to compete in Group B around the same time. I seem to recall that only some years later did Ferrari launch the F40 as the 288 was outclassed by the Porsche. I still have the original CAR magazine article somewhere featuring the concept car

WCZ

10,523 posts

194 months

Monday 11th June 2018
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f40 is so much sexier

Leins

9,466 posts

148 months

Monday 11th June 2018
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What I don’t ever recall seeing is a 959 vs CTR comparison

Dapster

6,927 posts

180 months

Monday 11th June 2018
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green911 said:
Surely to correct comparison should be to the 288GTO
The 288 and 959 would both be in my lottery garage. Lord Mexborough has one of each and has done since new.

http://www.evo.co.uk/ferrari/11677/ferrari-288-gto...




raceboy

13,096 posts

280 months

Monday 11th June 2018
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Common isn't really the correct word but I've seen a lot more F40's either out and about or in specialist showrooms than 959's would really like to see one but it appears their owners don't drive them as much. driving

Rawwr

22,722 posts

234 months

Monday 11th June 2018
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I'd have both smile

thegreenhell

15,323 posts

219 months

Monday 11th June 2018
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raceboy said:
Common isn't really the correct word but I've seen a lot more F40's either out and about or in specialist showrooms than 959's would really like to see one but it appears their owners don't drive them as much. driving
Largely due to the fact there were four times as many F40 as 959 built, I would guess.

HTP99

22,545 posts

140 months

Monday 11th June 2018
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I've seen a 959 at the Earls Court Motor Show; 1991 I think it was and I have also seen one on my local High Street, well over 20 years ago; it was outside KFC.

They are the only times I have ever seen one.

mikEsprit

827 posts

186 months

Monday 11th June 2018
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Instantly recognizable, but that interior is severely underwhelming for what this car represented.

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 11th June 2018
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mikEsprit said:
Instantly recognizable, but that interior is severely underwhelming for what this car represented.
A bit lost for words really.

British Beef

2,211 posts

165 months

Monday 11th June 2018
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Nick Faldo owned one of these for about 7 years, sold it for £120k, about a year before they started ballooning in value.
Boris Becker also owned one as his very first car!

Technically this I find far more impressive than an F40, however visually and emotionally the F40 has the 959 beaten.



thegreenhell

15,323 posts

219 months

Monday 11th June 2018
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British Beef said:
Nick Faldo owned one of these for about 7 years, sold it for £120k, about a year before they started ballooning in value.
Didn't his wife smash it up with a golf bat after she found out he was having an affair with his young female caddy, or some such?