RE: VW shatters Pikes Peak record

RE: VW shatters Pikes Peak record

Monday 25th June 2018

VW shatters Pikes Peak record

From SUVs to snowball fights, the famous hill climb saw more than its usual 156 twists and turns...



The electric Volkswagen ID R Pikes Peak has shattered the outright record on the Pikes Peak International Hill Climb, with Romain Dumas carving 16.730 seconds out of Sebastien Loeb's previous best.

The 96th running of the 'Race to the Clouds' on the Colorado mountain featured a number of records being broken, with Rhys Millen using a largely standard Bentley Bentayga W12 to obliterate the production SUV record held by rivals Range Rover.

Despite having to deal with mist and damp patches in the early portion of his run, Frenchman Dumas stormed up the 12.42-mile hill climb in Colorado in 7 minutes 57.148 seconds, averaging 90.538mph on the 156-turn course. That was enough for the 680hp ID R Pikes Peak, which is powered by twin electric motors, to eclipse Loeb's time of 8 minutes 13.878 seconds, set in the 3.2-litre twin-turbo V6-engined Peugeot 208 T16.


Volkswagen's stated goal when entering Pikes Peak was to break the electric course record of 8 minutes 57.118 seconds, set by Rhys Millen in the Drive eO PP100 in 2016. Recruiting Dumas, who has won the event three times in the past driving for his own team, was a key part of that.

While the ID R Pikes Peak displayed blistering pace in practice, there was considerable doubt about Dumas's prospects of setting a record, with rain and mist sweeping across the mountain shortly before his run, which was delayed by more than 40 minutes after a motorbike rider crashed on the course.

Describing the drive, Dumas said: "The first sector was very good. The second sector was quite humid and foggy, and the third was very fast. The car was good, and very fun inside. I just enjoyed pushing, and all was right."


Dumas, who has won Le Mans outright in Audi and Porsche LMP1 prototypes, called the ID R Pikes Peak car "the most impressive he has ever driven in competition." He added that he could have gone even faster in dry conditions, claiming that he lost "four to five seconds" in the middle part of the course.

European Hillclimb championship ace Simone Faggioli clinched second place, despite having never completed a full run of the course before the race. Driving a Norma M20 SF PKP prototype, the Italian stormed up the hill in 8 minutes 37.230 seconds - the third fastest time ever recorded on Pikes Peak, behind Dumas and Loeb.

While Millen saw his electric hill record beaten by Dumas, he did put his name to a new one, charging up the hill in 10 minutes 49.902 seconds in a Bentayga W12. That knocked a massive 1 minute 45.608 seconds off the previous mark, set by Paul Dallenbach in a Range Rover Sport in 2014.

Another of Dallenbach's hill records (he's set a few of them) was beaten in the Time Attack 1 class. Porsche 911 GT3 R driver David Donohue's time of 9 minutes 37.152 seconds breaking Dallenbach's previous benchmark, set driving a Hyundai Genesis Coupe in 2013, by just under nine seconds.


Still, it wasn't all bad news for former overall winner Dallenbach. Competing in the hill climb for the 25th time, the Colorado resident won the Open Wheel division in his mightily winged PVA Dallenbach Special, although he missed out on the division record.

There was also a new record set in the Open Class, with Peter Cunningham's time of 9 minutes 27.352 seconds in an Acura TLX GT eclipsing his previous record from 2017 by more than six seconds. He also finished third overall.


Motocross and rallying star Travis Pastrana won the new Porsche Cayman GT4 Clubsport one-make class, with his best time of 10 minutes 33.897 seconds nearly five seconds clear of IndyCar racer JR Hildebrand.

A heavy storm that enveloped the climb meant the later runners were only allowed to compete a shortened section of the course after a long delay, due to snow on the upper reaches of the course and the finish area. It also meant the drivers who had finished were stuck at the summit for far longer than expected. They passed the time by staging a snowball fight...

 

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Porsche911R

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21,146 posts

265 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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dull now fully tarmac :-(

Baldchap

7,629 posts

92 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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I'd love to know how the ID R compares to the likes of Tesla in terms of battery and motor tech.

Jam12321

164 posts

110 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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Well done VW, very impressive result.

'with Rhys Millen using a largely standard Bentley Bentayga W12 to obliterate the production SUV record held by rivals Range Rover.' -

Really don't want to see Pikes peak turn into a testing ground for manufacturers, leave it for race cars and take your ugly bentley to the ring - waste of a run in my opinion.

cuda

464 posts

240 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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Why do they have such huge wings???

WCZ

10,521 posts

194 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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is this because turbo engines can't breathe properly at this altitude so the electric engine benefits?

chrisga

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187 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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cuda said:
Why do they have such huge wings???
Guessing but perhaps thinner air at that altitude so they need bigger to do the same as smaller wings at lower altitude?

mazdajason

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Monday 25th June 2018
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cuda said:
Why do they have such huge wings???
Because Racecar.

RacerMike

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211 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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Baldchap said:
I'd love to know how the ID R compares to the likes of Tesla in terms of battery and motor tech.
One would assume, considerably better considering the thing didn't de-rate to 1/10th of it's maximum power after 4 accelerations wink Tesla's batteries are impressive in their power density, but their actual composition is fairly basic. There are considerably better technical solutions out there already that produce much better performance.

I'd hazard a guess that the ID R uses an 800v HV main voltage and quite possibly pouch cells. Either way, it will be a full motorsport system rather than anything related to the road....

RacerMike

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211 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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WCZ said:
is this because turbo engines can't breathe properly at this altitude so the electric engine benefits?
I suspect even without that fact, this would still be quicker than the ICE cars.

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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cuda said:
Why do they have such huge wings???
Because the average speed up the course is low, and hence they trade off drag for downforce, and because even the starting gate is at 2800m and hence at around 80kpa (20 % lower air density than sea level) and the finish at 4300m (~60kPa or a 40% reduction in air density)

williamp

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273 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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I imagine VW are desperate to regain their image

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36103903

donkmeister

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Monday 25th June 2018
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Max_Torque said:
cuda said:
Why do they have such huge wings???
Because the average speed up the course is low, and hence they trade off drag for downforce, and because even the starting gate is at 2800m and hence at around 80kpa (20 % lower air density than sea level) and the finish at 4300m (~60kPa or a 40% reduction in air density)
This.

On the pay-per-view failure, one of the people said they can't even test properly at low altitude as the downforce would snap the spoilers on the more extreme cars... However their commentators didn't even know there had been a motorbike crash...

poosemon

234 posts

199 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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a quick google search suggests this might be running at goodwood. Wonder if they will be allowed to go full attack to try and have a stab at the hillclimb record?

suffolk009

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165 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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I suppose this electric car is supposed to help the world forget about Diesel-gate.

Slb89

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139 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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WCZ said:
is this because turbo engines can't breathe properly at this altitude so the electric engine benefits?
this is exactly the case, an 800bhp ICE will not be 800bhp at the top, could see as much as a 20-30% decrease in power at the very top, a 100 kWh battery is still a 100kWh battery at the top, provided it is kept nice and cool so increasing resistance due to temp does not play a part. Pikes peak to me was always a very obvious choice of application for electrical power, its just taken a long time to develop the tech enough to see what we have here in a very aerodynamically efficient body.


Jon_S_Rally

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Monday 25th June 2018
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Porsche911R said:
dull now fully tarmac :-(
I can't imagine it feels all that dull when you're doing an average speed of 90mph up it...

RacerMike

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211 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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suffolk009 said:
I suppose this electric car is supposed to help the world forget about Diesel-gate.
You mean that massive red herring that was blown completely out of proportion? Yes :P

CDP

7,459 posts

254 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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Slb89 said:
WCZ said:
is this because turbo engines can't breathe properly at this altitude so the electric engine benefits?
this is exactly the case, an 800bhp ICE will not be 800bhp at the top, could see as much as a 20-30% decrease in power at the very top, a 100 kWh battery is still a 100kWh battery at the top, provided it is kept nice and cool so increasing resistance due to temp does not play a part. Pikes peak to me was always a very obvious choice of application for electrical power, its just taken a long time to develop the tech enough to see what we have here in a very aerodynamically efficient body.
I know a normally aspirated engine will suffer badly at altitude but surely a turbo engine would turn up the boost countering most of those losses?

Joratk

432 posts

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Monday 25th June 2018
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Jon_S_Rally said:
I can't imagine it feels all that dull when you're doing an average speed of 90mph up it...
I usually average 90mph on the motorway run home...

Nothing too exciting or fast about pikes peak.

munk

258 posts

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Monday 25th June 2018
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Reading this article has convinced me that this will not be the last that we hear about electric vehicles eclipsing traditional ICE vehicles in motorsport (and moreover in road going vehicles). I feel it's going to become more and more the norm over time - particularly in short but intense one-shot-wonder events such as hill climbs and Rally Cross in the short term. I would imagine in the longer term, as the tech improves and the range of the vehicles becomes greater; the applications will widen and ICE will be eclipsed and relegated to the "also ran" category in all but the longest range events across the board.

That said - I don't feel that Electric vehicles in their current form are the finished product / ultimate evolution. I feel in 10, 20 or 30 years time- they will be a significantly different beast than they are now in terms of how they are powered and how they charge. Not sure how I feel about it and it will be a shame to lose the sound, feels, smells and emotional connection that we get with ICE. But, make no mistake - it's going to happen and this is just the first.