RE: Renault Sport Megane 280 vs. Hyundai i30 N

RE: Renault Sport Megane 280 vs. Hyundai i30 N

Thursday 5th July 2018

Renault Sport Megane 280 Cup vs. Hyundai i30 N

The hot hatch with everything to lose against the one with nothing to prove - so which is better?



It is hard to overstate how important this Megane 280 is to Renault Sport, to the hot hatch market and to the people who love them. That's because, like the Clio 200 of 2013, it must replace a genre-defining model, a car celebrated for its unflinching focus, with a more accommodating, less taxing alternative. As if the pressure wasn't enough back then, it's been upped for the Megane because of the Clio's very public ostracising.

Now Renault Sport has to prove to those enthusiasts that this five-door only, auto-if-you-want-it path really is the correct one, while also competing against the most compellingly complete range of rivals to be seen in a very long time. What Renault is surely aiming for (and what buyers will want) is a hot hatch with the immersion of a Civic Type R and the easy going sensibilities of a Golf GTI - much less risks it featuring amongst the also rans. And while a launch drive promised plenty, limiting a drive of the Cup chassis equipped, manual gearboxed car to the super smooth Jerez circuit was hardly revealing.

Here is a proper test. South Wales, that tight troupe of tarmac ribbons just beneath the Brecon Beacons, and the Hyundai i30 N; a car as shocking to the hot hatch world as Sandy was to the T-Birds at the end of Grease. Nobody really thought something so plain and so virtuous could become quite so racy, and consequently attention hasn't left it since. Having seen off our favourite MQB-based car in the Leon Cupra late last year, the Hyundai has certainly earned its chance to go up against hot hatch royalty. Unencumbered by heritage or expectation, the i30 N has arrived to a blaze of praise and is ready take on all comers.


The Hyundai is also within five horsepower and five hundred pounds of the Megane at list price, so it's the perfect fit here. Albeit from very different positions, they're targeting ostensibly the same sort of buyers. And if you wondering where the Civic is in this comparison, bear in mind that 95 per cent of UK Type Rs are in GT spec; at £32,995, that's £5,500 more than the Megane before you even get to the fact of its 40hp deficit in power - a duel for the Trophy then, surely.

Instead Hyundai vs. Renault Sport begins in the salubrious surroundings of PH's Feltham outpost, late already at 8:15 thanks to South Western's uncanny imitation of a Southern train service. A jovial delivery driver suggests I'll like it because "it's a car for young lads really", adding that the ride was "really too firm" for her on the M25 slog. But what about those much lauded rally-style hydraulic bump stops? Not now, Matthew, not now...

Before the M4 slip road, it's clear this 280 is a patently different car to any of the 275, 265 or 250 derivatives that preceded it. For better and for worse. The fourth generation Megane is a more mature, higher quality, less demanding hot hatch than it ever has been; immediately a car in which the motorway slog to a good road can be enjoyed as much as it was endured once upon a time.


Well, sort of. There's no escaping the fact the Megane is a little frustrating in the initial exchanges. The media interface is slow to respond and difficult to understand, the four-wheel steer feels spookily direct at slow speed and the driving modes feel superfluous. Is it really necessary to have a Comfort and a Normal, a Sport and a Race? Particularly with an individual 'Perso' mode as well. And the more so without adjustability in the dampers. Could it be that the endless configurability options, richer materials and snazzy styling features are merely a facade for another ordinary hot hatch?

There are signs to the contrary as the M4 trundles through Berkshire and Wiltshire. The control weights are near enough spot on, pedals reassuring in their heft and gearbox satisfyingly slick, even if the steering isn't quite the paragon of EPAS excellence it once was. The ride that so irked the delivery driver is underlined by some real damping quality and very good mass control, highlighting yet again the faith that is too often misplaced in adaptive alternatives. The four-wheel steer even begins to make some sense when slicing up service station slip roads, delivering the sort of poised agility we've all craved in a modern Megane. Hmm...

With the M4 left in its wider tracks, the Megane is presented with a brief opportunity to stretch its legs before meeting with its Korean contemporary. And, well, they don't stretch very far, do they? Clearly an extra five horsepower from the Cup-S is not enough to offset the weight gain, the lustiness and drama of the old 2.0-litre conspicuous by its absence here. The new 1.8 is decently potent, and competitive enough in this sector, yet without excelling in any particular area. The Civic would be demonstrably quicker, the VW 2.0-litre more eager and even the Peugeot 1.6 in possession of a more effervescent top end.


The Megane's weaknesses are pretty cruelly exposed by a couple of miles in the Hyundai, in fact, chiefly because the i30 is proper hoot of a hot hatch. You get in, drive fast, make more noise than you probably should and smile a lot - it's immediately gratifying in a way that the Renault will never be. The engine is keener regardless of whatever mode either car is in, the whole car fizzing and pulsing with a pugnacious attitude that's unique to the class.

The Hyundai boasts even more unnecessary configurability than the Renault Sport, though it's fairly simple to cut through the crap: you want the eLSD at its most focused to make the most of that tenacious front end, the dampers in their normal mode (to avoid the crashiness of 'N'), the steering similarly configured (because when have the more aggressive steering modes ever been better?) and the powertrain in either of its sportier settings. Thus set up, you have a hot hatch born to entertain; nimble, athletic and indefatigable. Grip is decent, performance is really strong and the i30 feels compact - never a given these days. The Renault needs to up its game.

And, handily enough, it absolutely does. Because beneath the new-found maturity, the cabin frustrations and the ordinary engine, there's a chassis of exemplary quality in this Megane. Certainly one that's worthy of the Renault Sport name, and absolutely superior to the Hyundai's.


It's that classic Renault Sport trait: the point at which others are reaching their limits is where the Gallic genius begins to shine. Bumps and undulations that have the i30 floundering and ragged are dispatched by the Megane, the car utterly unflustered yet the driver informed of everything that's going on. The harder you drive it, the better it gets, which is what we've always loved about Renault Sport cars - more responsive, more agile and more alive, the quicker you go. What's changed is that before you always knew the cars were up for it; here there's a sheen of sensibleness to penetrate first. It should also be said that, as is the frustrating way with progress, the speeds required to access this magic are higher than ever, though you'll struggle to complain when car, driver and road all come together in this fashion.

The Renault's balance is more favourable than the Hyundai's, seeming to work all four of its contact patches more equally. Where the i30 is all about the prodigious grip of its front end (therefore making the breakaway of the rear sketchier), the Megane feels fantastically neutral and adjustable, the car as willing to play fast and accurate as it is a bit slower and sillier. At speed the four-wheel steer really make sense too, aiding that sense of agility while never feeling overly nervous or darty. It feels a more satisfying and cohesive car to drive quickly than the i30, everything working together to deliver something brilliant rather than a few enjoyable elements standing out on their own.

Swapping back into the Hyundai after prolonged exposure to the Renault makes its defence unravel further. It's more dynamically dogmatic, offering up fewer approaches to its driver and in a fiercer manner. There's no doubt it's tremendously entertaining and mightily capable, but only when driven the way it wants to be driven - the Renault is more amenable to the driver's wishes.


So the Megane has to win, right? It's an agonising decision. One last drive in the Renault feels to have clinched it, with a deftness and lucidity to its ride and handling that eludes the Hyundai. But then the i30 is transport for the long journey home, which means accessing an infotainment system that makes a whole heap more sense, driving modes that are far easier to navigate, clearer dials and an engine that's a tad more exciting. Y'know, the things that make a difference day in, day out.

Then there's the bottom-line sucker punch: as tested, the Hyundai is £28,595. The Megane? £34,345. However you cut it, whether outright or on payments, that's a significant difference in this segment. It's not that the i30 is bare bones either; it's simply that you can't add any options other than paint. Which, in 2018, when Mini is 3D printing the London skyline to slap on your dash for £150, is quite refreshing.

True enough too, the Renault is not £6k better. Nevertheless, much of what makes up that difference you could do without. Add the Cup Pack, 19-inch wheels, the R.S. Monitor and the nav upgrade and it's £2k more rather than £6k, a premium the drive - in our opinion, at least - just about warrants. (Lovely though that Volcano Orange paint is, for example, £1,300 is a big chunk of cash.)


On this occasion, then, in the sunshine of Wales and with the Megane as new kid on the block, the Hyundai has to finish up second best. This is clearly not the floor-wiping of yesteryear though. It's quite possible that those used to the intensity of old Meganes might be put off - and no more likely that the latest version's more mature demeanour will lure people from their Golfs. And that's before you mention the pesky Honda, too, which arguably edges back into consideration once you're the wrong side of £30k.

Still, there's manifestly a lot to like about this latest Megane Renault Sport - even if the feeling that there's more to come is often persistent. That's almost always the case with Renault hot hatches though, isn't it? For now, the 280 version is entertaining without being totally enthralling, and convincing without being compelling - a gap that might yet be closed by the Trophy version. Certainly though this is a more auspicious start than that which the Clio enjoyed, and history has shown that the Megane tends to improve over time. That it is good enough already to shade the enormously likeable i30 N is testament to the job done by Renault Sport at the first try. Only time will tell if the Trophy can provide a more emphatic victory.



SPECIFICATION - HYUNDAI I30N PERFORMANCE PACKAGE
Engine
: 1,998cc 4-cyl turbo
Transmission: 6-speed manual, front-wheel drive (limited-slip differential with Performance Package)
Power (hp): 275@6,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 260@1,500-4,700rpm
0-62mph: 6.1sec
Top speed: 155mph
Weight: 1,429kg
MPG: 39.8
CO2: 163g/km
Price: £28,010 (base price; as tested £28,595 comprised of Micron Grey for £585)


SPECIFICATION - RENAULT MEGANE R.S.
Engine: 1,798cc, turbocharged four-cylinder
Transmission: 6-speed manual, front-wheel drive, limited-slip diff (with Cup Chassis)
Power (hp): 280@6,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 288@2,400-4,800rpm
0-62mph: 5.8sec
Top speed: 158mph
Weight: 1,407kg (kerbweight without options)
MPG: 39.2
CO2: 163g/km
Price: £27,495 (base price; as tested £34,345 comprised of Volcano Orange metallic paint for £1,300, Cup Chassis Pack (limited-slip diff, red brake calipers, stiffer springs and dampers, anti-roll bar) for £1,500, Alcantara Pack (R.S. embroidered upholstery with heated seats) for £1,200, Alcantara steering wheel for £250, 19-inch 'Interlagos' black alloy wheels for £950, 8.7-inch portrait touchscreen with R-Link 2 for £300, Bose pack (Bose sound system with seven speakers, digital amp and subwoofer) for £800, Visio system (lane departure warning, traffic sign recognition, auto lights) for £250 and Renault Sport Monitor for £300)


 














 

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Maldini35

Original Poster:

2,913 posts

187 months

Wednesday 4th July 2018
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I enjoyed that.

Result feels a little biased but no overly so.

Glad to see RS still have the magic.

Still enjoying my old 172 Cup too much to be tempted....yet.
But then it’s quite a jump from £2k to £30k. wink

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

195 months

Wednesday 4th July 2018
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Can't include the Type-R as it's too expensive, yet is a couple of grand cheaper the the RS as tested wobble

w00tman

603 posts

144 months

Wednesday 4th July 2018
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I really find the Hyundai appealing - sort of a blue-collar hero, almost. One went passed my street on Sunday, having never really paid much attention, and the noise was absolutely fantastic - hence looking more into them.

RS looks good, but has more to prove.

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

195 months

Wednesday 4th July 2018
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w00tman said:
I really find the Hyundai appealing - sort of a blue-collar hero, almost. One went passed my street on Sunday, having never really paid much attention, and the noise was absolutely fantastic - hence looking more into them.

RS looks good, but has more to prove.
Same here, one bumbled past in that attractive blue colour and it looked and sounded great.

David87

6,648 posts

211 months

Wednesday 4th July 2018
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
Can't include the Type-R as it's too expensive, yet is a couple of grand cheaper the the RS as tested wobble
Indeed. I’d have the Honda over both of these without a second thought. The Mégane may be cheaper without all the options but the thing is, I’d want all the good stuff if spending ~ £30k on a hot hatch! I like the Honda and Hyundai approach of few / no options - makes buying a used one easier too!

Edited by David87 on Wednesday 4th July 08:25

Jimmy Recard

17,540 posts

178 months

Wednesday 4th July 2018
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Both of these look fantastic to me. There really are some great hot hatchbacks out there at the moment

FestivAli

1,085 posts

237 months

Wednesday 4th July 2018
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Here is a proper test. South Wales, that tight troupe of tarmac ribbons just beneath the Brecon Beacons, and the Hyundai i30 N; a car as shocking to the hot hatch world as Sandy was to the T-Birds at the end of Grease""

Troy Queefe, is that you?

Vitorio

4,296 posts

142 months

Wednesday 4th July 2018
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Just checked the price for that i30n over here, 46K eek Probably because they only sell the N2 performance model here, but still

Considering the Golf GTI starts at a smidge under 40K, a Giulietta Veloce is less then 42k, im struggling to see why anyone would see those prices and think "yeah, ill pay 5K extra for the korean unknown car"

Other options include a Cupra 300, and while not officially a hot hatch, just as quick to 60, the BMW 125

loose cannon

6,029 posts

240 months

Wednesday 4th July 2018
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I’m a massive fan of Renault hot hatches but I just can’t help thinking the new megane isn’t really going to be up to the job of replacing my
Current megane rs, it seems to have done a new clio and we havn’t even had any proper test’s yet
I have seen nothing yet to remotely convince me of changing mine and less steering feel frown
It’s not the first time that has been mentioned
I’m so glad I didn’t order one without driving it first, I will reserve judgement untill I drive it
But it isnt looking good to me already tbh
And if that fake alacantra is the same quality as clio 182 alacantra then it’s going to wear out in 3 seconds which was just about ok in the cheap clio, but it won’t be ok in this at the price point


Edited by loose cannon on Wednesday 4th July 08:52

nickfrog

20,872 posts

216 months

Wednesday 4th July 2018
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
Can't include the Type-R as it's too expensive, yet is a couple of grand cheaper the the RS as tested wobble
Except that as ever the "as tested" price is utterly irrelevant. The Megane is £27,500 including free Cup pack at the moment. And that's before dealer discount. At that price you also get the benefit of 18' wheels with lots of choice of affordable semi slicks. Perfect.

nickfrog

20,872 posts

216 months

Wednesday 4th July 2018
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loose cannon said:
I’m a massive fan of Renault hot hatches but I just can’t help thinking the new megane isn’t really going to be up to the job of replacing my
Current megane rs, it seems to have done a new clio and we havn’t even had any proper test’s yet
I have seen nothing yet to remotely convince me of changing mine and less steering feel frown
It’s not the first time that has been mentioned
I’m so glad I didn’t order one without driving it first, I will reserve judgement untill I drive it
But it isnt looking good to me already tbh
I agree, downgrading the steering feel would be an issue as the MK3 was really impressive, proving that EPAS can work.

As you say it's too early to tell as there hasn't been many proper road tests in the UK. It's the first time I see this mentioned, including out of the French press who are notoriously precious on that front.

Alex_225

6,234 posts

200 months

Wednesday 4th July 2018
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I must admit, on looks alone I've warmed to this RS Megane more quickly than the previous generation. I think because the previous generation looked more generic compared to the Megane II (225/R26) and lost some of it's character. This seems to stand out a bit in terms of styling which is a plus point for me.

Performance wise, I suspect this is a great drive but as mentioned they will release a Cup/Trophy etc. and hone it's abilities that bit more.

I like the Hyundai a lot and like the fact that it's a bit of an underdog being the new kid but out of the two I'd take the Megane.

framerateuk

2,730 posts

183 months

Wednesday 4th July 2018
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The 250 Cup reviews were pretty lukewarm when it was released. Expectations were high after the R26.r and I think the same is true here. Renault will no doubt tweak it over the years.

I'm still looking forward to mine arriving!

Matt Bird

1,450 posts

204 months

PH Reportery Lad

Wednesday 4th July 2018
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David87 said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Can't include the Type-R as it's too expensive, yet is a couple of grand cheaper the the RS as tested wobble
Indeed. I’d have the Honda over both of these without a second thought. The Mégane may be cheaper without all the options but the thing is, I’d want all the good stuff if spending ~ £30k on a hot hatch! I like the Honda and Hyundai approach of few / no options - makes buying a used one easier too!

Edited by David87 on Wednesday 4th July 08:25
That's why I mentioned the Honda again at the end!

Matt Bird

1,450 posts

204 months

PH Reportery Lad

Wednesday 4th July 2018
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FestivAli said:
Here is a proper test. South Wales, that tight troupe of tarmac ribbons just beneath the Brecon Beacons, and the Hyundai i30 N; a car as shocking to the hot hatch world as Sandy was to the T-Birds at the end of Grease""

Troy Queefe, is that you?
Busted. I promise the original edit was slightly different...

loose cannon

6,029 posts

240 months

Wednesday 4th July 2018
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framerateuk said:
The 250 Cup reviews were pretty lukewarm when it was released. Expectations were high after the R26.r and I think the same is true here. Renault will no doubt tweak it over the years.

I'm still looking forward to mine arriving!
Amazing considering the only difference in the whole range chassis wise was the trophy r with ohlins otherwise they are all identical bar trim upgrades

2smoke

215 posts

110 months

Onehp

1,617 posts

282 months

Wednesday 4th July 2018
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Great choices today, if I were in the market I'd wait for the trophy, I just like the wide hips and general styling of the Renault and excellent chassis dynamics are what keeps me from getting frustrated with a car.

If you have the precious Megane and are happy with it, why change?
I'm happy with my modded Cupra ST, only if Renault did something new and made an Throphy estate version, then I would have a new car dilemma... (please consider it Renault, isn't there a market for one car petrolhead family men?)

framerateuk

2,730 posts

183 months

Wednesday 4th July 2018
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loose cannon said:
Amazing considering the only difference in the whole range chassis wise was the trophy r with ohlins otherwise they are all identical bar trim upgrades
Yeah exactly. The 265 has positive reviews all round, yet the only difference was the 15bhp hike in power (and the updated speedo cluster that didn't turn invisible in cloudy weather).

Took me ages to get used to driving my Caterham and build the confidence. The same was true of the last Megane, I didn't appreciate how early you could get on the throttle in corners until I'd owned the car a while. That's going to be even more pronounced with the new rear-steer system.

Ajax Treesdown

152 posts

127 months

Wednesday 4th July 2018
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I have the Hyundai I30 N Performance. As people have said, the noise is so addictive. For a first attempt by Hyundai to be so close the the Megane speaks volumes about the car. It just makes you want to get in and drive and that's what its all about isn't it?
I've no doubt the Megane is a awesome car too and again Renault have produced something at the top of it's game!. I just think its great that we now have so much choice in this sector that we can pick and choose over numerous makes and models rather than a small limited choice.