RE: Showpiece of the Week: 911 GT2 RS (997)

RE: Showpiece of the Week: 911 GT2 RS (997)

Monday 23rd July 2018

Showpiece of the Week: 911 GT2 RS (997)

The 997 GT2 RS was the last to do its scaring with hydraulic power steering. And that's for starters...



Not that they needed a helping hand, but it seems the arrival of the latest Porsche 911 GT2 RS has served to nudge the value of its predecessors even higher. The last model, the 997, is not undeserving of the attention. It was the last GT series car to use hydraulic steering, and only the third (not including the GT1) to exceed 200mph. Better still, the RS version was reputedly a skunk works project developed under the code number 727 - which referred directly to a Nissan GT-R lap time at the Nordschliefe. And if that's not cool, nothing in the world ever is or can be.

Its use of hydraulic steering is not to be sniffed at either. Porsche's mastery of an electric-powered rack may have diluted memory of its previous handiwork, but any purist will savour the oil-based resistance offered by the 997 - not least because it's arguably as good and as feelsome as the technology ever got.

Take any mention of the famous 'widowmaker' label with a pinch of salt, too. While some drivers may have fallen victim to unexpected surges of torque (and resultant oversteer) in formal generations, the 997 was more in the mould of the current car - less hell-bent on firing you into a hedge than it is at smearing the horizon across your eyeballs.


This is does exceedingly well even by the most modern standard. Back in 2010, 620hp from a twin-turbocharged 3.6-litre flat six was a lot, and in 2018 it's, um, still a lot. 0-62mph in 3.5sec and a top speed of 205mph was also rather good in its day, as it now. It's worth remembering too that the 997 was a smaller car than the 991, and is therefore slightly easier to thread down a winding country road.

Naturally it made the definitive country road its own in short order. Conceived to set a new lap record at the Nurburgring, it duly did: snapping a heady 9secs off the GT-R's time. Porsche celebrated by building no more than 500 cars, which were expensive right out of the box - and then made phenomenally more so by what seems like each passing year.

Today, a barely used 997 Porsche 911 GT2 RS up for sale on the PH classifieds for - tissues at the ready - £649,950. If you're keeping score, that's the best part of half a million quid more than when it was new. Car number 399, does have a highly desirable optional equipment list, however, with the original owner clearly valuing (or understanding the appreciation value of) the lightweight parts offered by Porsche.


Along with the Club Sport Package and carbonfibre front wings and engine cover, there's a lightweight battery and Alcantara trimmed bucket seats complete with harnesses. And that's before we even get to the set of gold satin 19in centre lock wheels. The 10-spoke rims are pure motorsport, and, backed by those yellow calipers, are almost enough for the assembled PH staffers to begin a whip round.

Skim further down the car's service history and you'll also see it's exclusively had main dealer services and there was even a full brake fluid change that took place just 120 miles after the last one. The words 'meticulously maintained' spring to mind.

If the idea of such limited use leaves you reeling, they do at least mean you are getting the most perfectly preserved example of what was unarguably one of Porsche's most most driver-focused machines of all time. Will the used value bubble burst before you can sell it again? It surely can't get much bigger...

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cuda

Original Poster:

464 posts

240 months

Monday 23rd July 2018
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Rather have a 4.0l 997 GT3 RS and £200k left over to not worry about actually driving the damn thing...

nicksclark

17 posts

175 months

Monday 23rd July 2018
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doesn't really matter how good it is as they will never be driven. They're artworks now :-)

MikeGoodwin

3,336 posts

117 months

Monday 23rd July 2018
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Was my poster car for years when I was younger. so was the 4.0 997

Still to this day there are few videos of them being driven properly.

Carl_Manchester

12,154 posts

262 months

Monday 23rd July 2018
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not many cars get posted in showpiece that i have actually driven. for what it’s worth the 997 GT2 RS is one of the worst types of 997 produced to actually drive in my experience and i have got to driven most of them, no fun at all just a 3rd gear which resembles being strapped into a ride at alton towers.

ended up with heat soak and sore leg from the clutch on my laps. too much powah for the 997.

a gen2 GT3 laughs at it from afar, it’s such a superior car to drive. still hated the box found it lighter thought

that said, that was back when gr2 rs were £150k-200k because first owners didn’t really want them either. the low miles on these cars is not surprising. for what it does i reckoned on £100k before i clicked on the advertisement and...oh dear. a number starting with a 6.

the world has lost its mind.

Oilchange

8,446 posts

260 months

Monday 23rd July 2018
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Looks about £500k overpriced

IMI A

9,410 posts

201 months

Monday 23rd July 2018
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One of my fave cars but based on the cars themselves ie how they drive just no way you should be able to buy two Speciales for the same money. Either the GT2 RS is twice as expensive as it should realistically be or Speciales are massively undervalued. Daft.

I missed an aqua blue one sat at OPC Hatfield for less than list for 6 months frown

leemanning

557 posts

152 months

Monday 23rd July 2018
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Same price as a Carrera GT. No comparison

topboss

352 posts

253 months

Monday 23rd July 2018
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Carl_Manchester said:
not many cars get posted in showpiece that i have actually driven. for what it’s worth the 997 GT2 RS is one of the worst types of 997 produced to actually drive in my experience and i have got to driven most of them, no fun at all just a 3rd gear which resembles being strapped into a ride at alton towers.

ended up with heat soak and sore leg from the clutch on my laps. too much powah for the 997.

a gen2 GT3 laughs at it from afar, it’s such a superior car to drive. still hated the box found it lighter thought

that said, that was back when gr2 rs were £150k-200k because first owners didn’t really want them either. the low miles on these cars is not surprising. for what it does i reckoned on £100k before i clicked on the advertisement and...oh dear. a number starting with a 6.

the world has lost its mind.
Im the complete opposite. On my 2nd one now. It sits proudly next to my 991 GT2RS. The 997 will be in the garage a long time after the 991 has departed.

The 991 leaves me cold in comparison. It’s quick, it handles well but I don’t wake up wanting to jump in it for a drive whilst the roads are quiet. The 997 gets me up early many, many times.

I personally loved it round track. But hey, we’re all different smile


80sMatchbox

3,891 posts

176 months

Monday 23rd July 2018
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The chap on here who built a replica of this with all genuine parts must be happy at the price of this. Not many others will be.

belleair302

6,842 posts

207 months

Monday 23rd July 2018
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Stunning show car but not something one would use on track or even touring today. That price is very strong and even if I had the money there are a fair few other cars would buy before this.

adingley84

337 posts

162 months

Monday 23rd July 2018
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I had the pleasure of one ripping past me last week on the m11.

I made sure I meticulously kept to the 50mph limit right up until the national speed limit sign so he was raring to go, then pulled into middle lane and watched him romp off into the distance!

mikEsprit

827 posts

186 months

Monday 23rd July 2018
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Seems to me that cars from this era were limited on 0-60 by the tires. Would this be even quicker with newer tires?

Chestrockwell

2,626 posts

157 months

Tuesday 24th July 2018
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Someone please make my evening/day and tell me there’s a video of Harris going flat out in one of these?

Sandpit Steve

9,963 posts

74 months

Tuesday 24th July 2018
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Chestrockwell said:
Someone please make my evening/day and tell me there’s a video of Harris going flat out in one of these?
There’s a video of him spanking it down Santa Pod against a Ducati Panigale
https://youtube.com/watch?v=wael3IrPu44

s m

23,218 posts

203 months

Tuesday 24th July 2018
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Chestrockwell said:
Someone please make my evening/day and tell me there’s a video of Harris going flat out in one of these?
He did scare himself in Wales in one of these for an EVO mag vid

Other than that there's a good vid of one on track with the Juke -R done by Jethro Bovingdon plus the other vid with Mark Webber's car

fullleather

228 posts

121 months

Tuesday 24th July 2018
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Or you could just go for the 'standard' 2008 997 GT2, I'll take one in pure white please, cheers!

Carl_Manchester

12,154 posts

262 months

Tuesday 24th July 2018
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mikEsprit said:
Seems to me that cars from this era were limited on 0-60 by the tires. Would this be even quicker with newer tires?
I would expect that if I was looney enough to buy this car that it would come with the latest tyres. From memory they do make Supersports and Cup2's in RS sizes.

The RS is more about the 0-100mph performance, engine cooling and suspension setup for track than 0-60 although this car is more limited by its gearbox for a 0-60 sprint. In the summer you (most probably) won't get heat-soak on track when piloting a 997.2 GT2 RS, you definitely will on a 997.2 Turbo S for example.

I have not checked the sizes for the RS but my 997 Gen2 Turbo was fitted with the latest Michelin Cup2 tyres and it took about a 10th off the 0-60 time and ended up doing 2.9sec in the summer heat with launch control.

I would suspect that the manufacturer 0-60 997 GT2 RS time quoted of 3.2 seconds probably falls somewhere between the 2.6seconds for the 991 GT2 RS and 3 seconds.

The 0-100mph time for the 997 GT2 RS will be epic, you probably won't love it for doing so but you will respect it, especially in the heavy rain when the average turbo pilot will be grinning like a smug git, with his roof-rack on.

fullleather

228 posts

121 months

Tuesday 24th July 2018
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There was a review/report written by Harris for Jalopnik, he was as the wheel of a GT2 RS whilst being heckled by a 599....don't know what happened but its disappeared from the web? it was a bloody good read though, if you mange to find it ;-)

CharlieAlphaMike

1,137 posts

105 months

Tuesday 24th July 2018
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Sandpit Steve said:
There’s a video of him spanking it down Santa Pod against a Ducati Panigale
https://youtube.com/watch?v=wael3IrPu44
Read as: Bike spanks Car wink

fullleather

228 posts

121 months

Tuesday 24th July 2018
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