RE: Prior Convictions: McLaren Senna, road warrior

RE: Prior Convictions: McLaren Senna, road warrior

Saturday 4th August 2018

Prior Convictions: McLaren Senna, road warrior

The Senna's inaugural road trip saw car 001 driven from Woking to Paul Ricard. PH tagged along...



I think the owner of McLaren Senna, chassis no 001, has found a way to make his car not unattractive.

David Kyte - nice man - took delivery of his Senna last week at McLaren's Woking factory. McLaren is now turning out two Sennas a day, of the 500 in total it'll build of this 'ultimate track car', (before starting on 75 track-only GTR models, which means it's not that ultimate after all). And virtually all, like Kyte's, will have some level of MSO (McLaren Special Operations) content.

Some MSO elements McLaren can install as the cars make their way down the line. Some, like chassis 001's blue and white paintwork, take more than 600 hours of post-production work. To my eyes it disguises, like warship camouflage, some of the more awkward details, while accentuating how fast it looks even standing still. But the effort means, really, that you're looking at a pretty much million pound car.


Directly after taking delivery, Kyte drove his car straight to Paul Ricard circuit in the south of France for one of the 'Pure' events McLaren lays on for owners; which is like a fancy track day, but serious up to and including a one-make 570S GT4 series. Among others, Bruno Senna comes and helps out with the tuition.

PH hitched a ride in an accompanying Senna for the journey. An epic road trip, then, right? Hmm. Well. France is pretty big and sitting in traffic is sitting in traffic no matter what car you're in, so it takes the same amount of time in a £1m hypercar as a £10,000 supermini. But hey, it's our first go in a Senna on the road. So there are things to tell you.

Like it's loud. I know right? Who'd have guessed? The Senna has a largely bare carbonfibre interior, including fixed back seats, which have some controls incorporated into them, cleverly. A little carpet makes quite a big difference, but shorn of so much insulation, the overriding noise on the road is not the engine, but the ride. On country roads with loose bits, gravel pings up like you're sitting in a race car, before getting trapped in the bodywork's nooks and crannies.


It's also a wide car, but these are the two least habitable things about it. The optional glass door panels - being specified by 90% of Senna owners, rather than the 30% that McLaren estimated - make rolling into toll booths around tight car parks way less terrifying than it'd otherwise be. They're not much use once you're up to speed, but you can see kerb edges out of them when manoeuvring. There's a powerful air-con system, too (only McLaren's press dept have specced a Senna without it), so even though there's plenty of glasswork and it's 30 degrees outside, the cabin stays pleasingly civilised. Some occupants thought there was a bit too much sunshine radiating through the roof panel, but my baldy heed didn't mind it.

Tell you what, though, the only bit of the window that opens, ostensibly to collect tickets through, is very small. On a long journey on toll roads, it'd be worth getting a windscreen tag. And that, my friends, is why you come here: sound consumer advice. There's not much of a boot, either, incidentally.

But to drive on the road? It's relatively civilised. Left in automatic, the seven-speed twin clutch box tries to lug things out, using the latent torque of the 4.0-litre, 800hp V8. Let it and you might see 20mpg. The ride is fine, too. Firm, obviously, but because there's the fancy, complicated, linked hydraulic springing as used in the Super Series, it has more compliance than you'd expect for such a track oriented car. And it steers with the kind of goodness that all McLarens do, because they retain a hydraulic rack that has a similar 2.0 turn speed to a Ferrari, but much less hyperactiveness around straight ahead.


Corners? Not many. You can tell there's brilliant stability even while rounding motorway slip roads, although our experience of the Senna remains, for now, those few laps in the hands of MB at Silverstone and DP at Estoril. More enlightening is spending time with the engineers in the development Sennas that accompanied Kyte's production car. Three cars that'll end up on McLaren's development fleet or the Pure fleet.

In a week that brings you another hypercar launch in the form of the Milan Red, so far shown as what looks like a scale model with no interior, it's a sobering reminder of the amount of effort that actually goes into producing a supercar or hypercar. There are tens of prototypes for the Senna, hundreds of millions of pounds have been spent and hundreds of thousands of miles have been pounded validating components and reliability. Today McLaren employs more quality engineers than it did engineers full stop when the MP4-12C was launched. How startups expect to break into this without the kind of backing that McLaren had is a mystery to me.

Ariel's Simon Saunders has it right when he says that, as a niche car company without massive resources, "you've got to do what the big players can't do or aren't interested in doing". With big backing from the off, McLaren is one of the big players. And it feels more established every day.





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andyj007

Original Poster:

303 posts

178 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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they look so stupid and ugly with those wings.. and mismatch of poor design and panel integration no track - road trip or photo manipulation is gonna change that..

no excuse oh its a track car blah blah blah.. a clever group of people would be able to design something pretty and fast..
what an epic fail of missed opportunity..

how can anyone look at that and be genuinely proud to own such a mismatch of bits is beyond me..


Edited by andyj007 on Saturday 4th August 07:23

Swampy1982

3,305 posts

111 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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andyj007 said:
they look so stupid and ugly with those wing supports, mismatch of poor design and panel integration. No track - road trip or photo manipulation is gonna change that..

no excuse oh its a track car blah blah blah.. a clever group of people would be able to design something pretty and fast..
what an epic fail of missed opportunity.. bit like the management of the f1 team ..

how can anyone look at that and be genuinely proud to own such a mismatch of bits is beyond me.. but then again most of thgese will be owned by the look at me vain type who think there cool, or the investors who actually wouldn't know a good design if it smacked em right between the eyes..


Edited by andyj007 on Saturday 4th August 07:26
Ha, with a user name like that are you Andy Palmer?

I like how they look, function over form, and it's interesting to see that as a road car they also perform (which is unexpected to me)

Each to their own I guess.



s2000db

1,155 posts

153 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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And just hope that it doesn’t go wrong, as they won’t be able to fix it before Christmas..... lol.

Kenny Powers

2,618 posts

127 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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I enjoyed reading that over a morning coffee. Thanks Matt, cool article.

I personally think the Senna is an amazing brute of a car, and I’m very jealous that guys in your profession get to drive them, no matter how mundane the journey may be thumbup

Kawasicki

13,078 posts

235 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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I like how it looks!

subirg

718 posts

276 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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Such a dog of a car.

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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Another day another Mac bashing session from the PH massive laugh

Mac, Audi and JLR really do seem to cop a load of flak from the "I wouldn't buy one if you paid me brigade"

Anyway, I had a go in one of these on track this week.

I couldn't give a toss what it looks like. it was an absolutely wonderful experience.

If I had the cash then I'd be putting one in my collection and driving how it is intended rather than moaning about how it looks.

Fire99

9,844 posts

229 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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Considering the motorsport that Ayrton Senna appeared to speak most highly of was Karting, due to it's more pure and simple nature, and it seems slightly ironic that the car bearing his name is a pretty overbearing looking thing.. To me, dare I say the old McLaren F1 would have been more fitting of the Senna name..

14-7

6,233 posts

191 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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Whoever, is writing, these, articles lately needs to, perhaps, get some training so, they know when, to, use, a comma.



Mackofthejungle

1,069 posts

195 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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It's an utter dog, no doubt. It's not form following function, it's ste following ste.

But I'm softening to it's ugliness - time doing its thing I guess. I'm sure it's quite dramatic in the flesh. Still horrific. The lack of exotic in the drivetrain though.. It bores me on paper, and on paper (and in the mind) is where most of the enjoyment is.

Good luck to them - wish they'd make something undeniable though. The 540 is almost a gem of a car - it just looks like a bad model from an early need for speed game.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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I'm hoping that's his actual choice of driving position...

RemyMartin81D

6,759 posts

205 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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I'd be happy to have a slower car and have a P1 even though it's old Vs new.

I'd never catch myself glancing In windows or looking back in a carpark. Not that I'd imagine either of those cars is used in a situation where that can happen lol.

Happily wait for the dogs tail or speed tail or whatever the fk tail hyper car when it's released. I seriously doubt anyone will revere the Senna in years gone by.

Maldini35

2,913 posts

188 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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RemyMartin81D said:
I'd be happy to have a slower car and have a P1 even though it's old Vs new.

I'd never catch myself glancing In windows or looking back in a carpark. Not that I'd imagine either of those cars is used in a situation where that can happen lol.

Happily wait for the dogs tail or speed tail or whatever the fk tail hyper car when it's released. I seriously doubt anyone will revere the Senna in years gone by.
The Senna isn’t for everyone that’s for sure.
Funny how some people on here get so angry about it.
Truly bizarre.
As for nobody revering the Senna in years to come - a supremely aggrogant assumption : ‘I don’t like it so nobody else will’.
Only time will tell.




anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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I heard it was lapping Silverstone around 2:09 this week in Chris Harris's hands; does anyone know what a road legal Radical RXC GT will do it in?

Maldini35

2,913 posts

188 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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Brooking10 said:
Another day another Mac bashing session from the PH massive laugh

Mac, Audi and JLR really do seem to cop a load of flak from the "I wouldn't buy one if you paid me brigade"

Anyway, I had a go in one of these on track this week.

I couldn't give a toss what it looks like. it was an absolutely wonderful experience.

If I had the cash then I'd be putting one in my collection and driving how it is intended rather than moaning about how it looks.
Were you at the RMA day at Silverstone?
It was great to seen the black Senna at full chat -it was being beautifully driven too.
So, so fast.
Lots of other lovely cars there too - Performante, 570S, GT3RS’s, 488’s - all being used as the makers intended.
Sure you see plenty cruising in central London but if you make the effort to go to the right trackdays (not a cheap airfield day) you will see these cars in their natural habitat.




anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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Maldini35 said:
Brooking10 said:
Another day another Mac bashing session from the PH massive laugh

Mac, Audi and JLR really do seem to cop a load of flak from the "I wouldn't buy one if you paid me brigade"

Anyway, I had a go in one of these on track this week.

I couldn't give a toss what it looks like. it was an absolutely wonderful experience.

If I had the cash then I'd be putting one in my collection and driving how it is intended rather than moaning about how it looks.
Were you at the RMA day at Silverstone?
It was great to seen the black Senna at full chat -it was being beautifully driven too.
So, so fast.
Lots of other lovely cars there too - Performante, 570S, GT3RS’s, 488’s - all being used as the makers intended.
Sure you see plenty cruising in central London but if you make the effort to go to the right trackdays (not a cheap airfield day) you will see these cars in their natural habitat.
Sadly not, although I was tempted to pop down.

Embarrassingly it was on an airfield..... you should able to work out which one though wink


Maldini35

2,913 posts

188 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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Brooking10 said:
Maldini35 said:
Brooking10 said:
Another day another Mac bashing session from the PH massive laugh

Mac, Audi and JLR really do seem to cop a load of flak from the "I wouldn't buy one if you paid me brigade"

Anyway, I had a go in one of these on track this week.

I couldn't give a toss what it looks like. it was an absolutely wonderful experience.

If I had the cash then I'd be putting one in my collection and driving how it is intended rather than moaning about how it looks.
Were you at the RMA day at Silverstone?
It was great to seen the black Senna at full chat -it was being beautifully driven too.
So, so fast.
Lots of other lovely cars there too - Performante, 570S, GT3RS’s, 488’s - all being used as the makers intended.
Sure you see plenty cruising in central London but if you make the effort to go to the right trackdays (not a cheap airfield day) you will see these cars in their natural habitat.
Sadly not, although I was tempted to pop down.

Embarrassingly it was on an airfield..... you should able to work out which one though wink
laugh

It will be interesting to see what it does there.



anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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Maldini35 said:
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Funny how some people on here get so angry about it.
Truly bizarre.
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I'm not angry I'm disappointed as my dad used to say about me! I really, really want McLaren to be building, not just hugely capable but achingly beautiful cars (like the 675LT); irrespective of where you sit on the subjective aesthetics of the Senna no one ever said it's achingly beautiful. If Ferrari do build an answer to it we both know they won't accept a hideous mishmash of cfd defined shapes to save half a second a lap; they'll take the prettier design and crank the power up a bit. I appreciate the Merc One and Valkyrie are at different price point but they make me suspicious of the claim that the Senna has to look the way it does to be so fast.

Anyway, how fast is it? Very surprised some lap times haven't been published yet; isn't that the whole point?

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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Maldini35 said:
laugh

It will be interesting to see what it does there.
Felt pretty quick to me yikes

They've sold them all and people seem to be enjoying them which is good news for Mac.

GranCab

2,902 posts

146 months

Saturday 4th August 2018
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TooMany2cvs said:


I'm hoping that's his actual choice of driving position...
... my guess is that Matt is about as tall as Dudley Moore ....