RE: PH Service History: Finding Door-y

RE: PH Service History: Finding Door-y

Sunday 12th August 2018

PH Service History: Finding Door-y

Four-door coupes are relatively unloved on the used market. Scrof reckons it's time to take advantage...



I remember when the first four-door coupes came out. The Mercedes CLS and Passat CC were met with bemusement at first. But not from me; I hated the things. I thought that the Merc looked like an over-ripe banana, and that the Passat had been left next to the fire for too long.

I'm happy to admit now, with the benefit of familiarity and hindsight, that I was entirely wrong. For today, to my eyes, not only do the first-gen CLS and CC look rather good, but the variety of imitators they spawned look even better.

Arguably the prettiest of the lot is the Aston Martin Rapide which, if you were paying attention, you'll have read about earlier this week. But it isn't the only car of its type worth knowing about; in fact, one of the best-kept secrets of the used car market is that four-door coupes, especially the ones with monster engines, tend to go for rather less than their five-door saloon - or indeed, two-door coupe - brethren. And that makes them worthy of our attention.


Consider, if you will, this second-generation Mercedes CLS63 AMG. It's for sale at a main dealer, admittedly with mileage a touch above what you'd expect for the age, but nothing terrifying. It's also finished in deeply menacing black over black. The price? A shade over £20,000.

Let's not forget that this is a pukka performance saloon that looks terrific and is just six years old. And of course, it comes with that ululating blown 525hp 5.5-litre V8, capable of turning mountains to rubble with its exhaust note - maybe - and surging the CLS to 62mph in no more than 4.4 seconds. To get into an E63 of the same age and mileage, you'll need upwards of £25,000.

But this is not a phenomenon restricted to Mercedes. Have a look at this BMW M6 Gran Coupe. I reckon it's one of the best-looking four-doors - coupe or saloon - money can buy, and all the more so in this striking metallic blue. With this one, you get 560hp and 4.2 seconds to 62mph - it's even quicker than the Merc, in other words - and while the interior's arguably a touch less special, it could hardly be called pov-spec. This example's a four-year-old car that's done just 19,000 miles, yet it's on for £37,000. OK, that's a bit more than an M5 with the same mileage, but the M6 is so much more svelte - and a two-door version of the same car will cost you at least a couple of grand more.


Now here's a four-door coupe whose looks I've never really been able to get behind: the first-gen Porsche Panamera, or 970 to the aficionados. But judge this book by its cover at your peril, because the Panamera has loads to offer if you can get past that slightly unfortunate rear three-quarter view. This 4S is powered by a throbbing 4.8-litre V8 of 400hp - no, it isn't as fast as our previous two contenders, but as it doesn't have a turbo strapped to it, it's also more naturally sonorous. And let's face it: when was anyone ever disappointed by a 400hp V8?

These Panameras were terrific to drive, too, disguising their immense girth and weight to a remarkably degree and delivering the sort of feedback you'd hope for from a Porsche. Inside is where the Panamera plays its trump card, though, because the interior is a delight. Just pause a sec to gaze at that long, sweeping centre console, raised high so that the driver feels cocooned. And if you're in the back, enjoy the space to stretch out and the swaddling rear seats.

The one we found is yours for £27,925, with a very reasonable mileage and a full history. Compare that to £45,000 for a 911 Carrera 4S of similar provenance. Yes, the 911 has the badge everyone wants - but the Panamera's so much cheaper you could buy it and bag a Boxster with a change.


There's one last car that's caught my attention this week, but it's a bit of a cheat, because it isn't a four-door coupe. But it's about as close as Ferrari have come to producing one in recent years: the FF. I hadn't noticed how fast these have been depreciating - no, you can't buy one for twenty grand, but compared with contemporary 458 Italias, FFs have plummeted, meaning one of them now makes a savvy buy if you're willing to take your Ferrari in V12 grand tourer form, instead of V8 sports car.

This one, for example, looks decent value. Now, I know it's a very different proposition to a 458, but I'd argue that the FF actually gives you more - more space, more all-round ability, more performance, more cylinders. It certainly cost more when it was new, too, which is why the fact this £129,990 example is around £10,000 less than a 458 seems too good to be true (and indeed, around £100,000 less than it would have cost when new). No, it'll never get down a B-road in quite the same way - but you can take it places and do things with it you never could with its smaller stablemate. And let's not forget, it's still a V12 Ferrari - and one of the good ones, too.

Of course, a humble motoring journalist's salary means an FF is a pipe dream for me. But maybe, just maybe, I can convince Mrs R that the CLS is a better bet as a family hack than that Golf Estate she's been eyeing up. Wish me luck.

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flowman

Original Poster:

103 posts

209 months

Sunday 12th August 2018
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The CLS63 is sold, so either you are a very smooth talker and the Mrs was convinced, or some fortunate soul has beaten you to it.
I’ll take the BMW.

Dale487

1,334 posts

123 months

Sunday 12th August 2018
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Why are the 4 door coupe generally cheaper? Particularly as must companies are dropping 3 door cars from the line up, clear buyers (of new cars) want more doors. Is it over supply for the second hand demand?

I'd go for the a Panamera but either a GTS (more money than the S I known) or find one of the very rare manuals from the first generation.

I guess the FF is cheaper than a 458 if the fear oft gong wrong & the bills - I'll take one in TDF Blue.

Krikkit

26,515 posts

181 months

Sunday 12th August 2018
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I'd take the original CLS with the 55k engine.

big_rob_sydney

3,401 posts

194 months

Sunday 12th August 2018
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I always thought the issue with a coupe (regardless of the number of doors...?), was the space in the rear seat. We have young kids, and I ran a 2 door coupe for quite some time, but even though I loved mine to bits, I eventually had to give it up and buy a 4 door with space, etc etc etc.

How do these cars stack up for space? I don't just mean for kids, but what is it like for adults? Also, what about space for luggage? Before I give up a traditional sedan for a 4 door coupe, I would expect them to be at least as practical.

I also must say, talking about a £20k coupe vs a £25k sedan and the difference of £5k, seems a little unusual in an article where another car is over £100k. Context. Fair enough, you're showing us a few different price points. But personally, I wouldn't give up the practicality of a proper 4 door sedan in order to save £5k. Maybe that's why the market has followed a similar path.

mik_jg

96 posts

189 months

Sunday 12th August 2018
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I love these things. An M6 GC is next on the bucket list

jwwbowe

576 posts

172 months

Sunday 12th August 2018
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Wow a FF is a full £10k cheaper than a 458, life changing stuff, that’ll probably cover the cost of a new set of spark plugs in the FF. £10k difference when comparing fragile exotica like this is nonsense!

Very true these four door coupes can be had a bit of a bargain. At the other end of the scale early CLS 55 AMGs look good value. Personally I think at the £20-25k level these sort of cars are going to be ignored though as a C63 is just cooler (still can’t believe a mainstream manufacturer put a 6.2 engine in a junior saloon!) or the smart money will go on a immaculate e9x M3 manual with a garage to squirrel it away in forever, then to sell it in 20 years for some outrageous figure. A v8 manual that revs to 8k+ rpm will be put on a pedestal in years to come.




Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

255 months

Sunday 12th August 2018
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flowman said:
The CLS63 is sold, so either you are a very smooth talker and the Mrs was convinced, or some fortunate soul has beaten you to it.
I’ll take the BMW.
Someone with a white stick must have got in quick. The CLS looks like a parasite infested dog dragging it's arse along the ground hurl

unsprung

5,467 posts

124 months

Sunday 12th August 2018
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PH article said:
But maybe, just maybe, I can convince Mrs R that the CLS is a better bet as a family hack than that Golf Estate she's been eyeing up. Wish me luck.
and now, in the interest of full disclosure, we publish a rebuttal by Mrs R...

hehe


PistonBroker

2,414 posts

226 months

Sunday 12th August 2018
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I seem to recall Jay Kay's FF went under the hammer recently and I was shocked at how low that went. Do love the idea of running a Ferrari around as my daily driver. Still unlikely though for many reasons.

As much as I love the vaguely sleeper-esque element of the E63, I'll happily have the CLS63 if I'm going to save money.

paradigital

857 posts

152 months

Sunday 12th August 2018
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Five-door saloon?

Five?

What has the author been smoking (around in)?

Daveyraveygravey

2,026 posts

184 months

Sunday 12th August 2018
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The article falls down on the first point. Not getting the looks of the original CLS!?

Mr Tidy

22,270 posts

127 months

Sunday 12th August 2018
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Maybe it's just me, but I really like them!

I'd much rather have a CLS than an E-Class, a 6 GC than a 5 Series, or even a CC than a Passat.

But maybe that's because I hardly ever have passengers, and even then it's only usually 1! laugh

ninepoint2

3,275 posts

160 months

Sunday 12th August 2018
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Mr2Mike said:
Someone with a white stick must have got in quick. The CLS looks like a parasite infested dog dragging it's arse along the ground hurl
That was my first thought too, looked dreadful, really poor prep IMHO..but then it did sell, must have been Stevie Wonder who bought itbiggrin

Nerdherder

1,773 posts

97 months

Monday 13th August 2018
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I hope this trend stays so I can bag a BMW 4 Gran Coupe in a couple of years time.

irocfan

40,389 posts

190 months

Monday 13th August 2018
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jwwbowe said:
...still can’t believe a mainstream European manufacturer put a 6.2 engine in a junior saloon...
FTFY - The Yanks were doing this in the 60's thumbup


I may well be in the minority here but I still think that the CLS looks like a banana, probably a lovely place to be in but looks (especially) in coupe matter. The Gran Coupe BM or the Rapide on the other hand cloud9

Turbobanana

6,258 posts

201 months

Monday 13th August 2018
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PH article said:
I remember when the first four-door coupes came out
Were you even born when the Rover P5 Coupe - the one so beloved of British Prime Ministers - was launched in 1962?

TrickyTrevM5

297 posts

186 months

Monday 13th August 2018
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big_rob_sydney said:
I always thought the issue with a coupe (regardless of the number of doors...?), was the space in the rear seat. We have young kids, and I ran a 2 door coupe for quite some time, but even though I loved mine to bits, I eventually had to give it up and buy a 4 door with space, etc etc etc.

How do these cars stack up for space? I don't just mean for kids, but what is it like for adults? Also, what about space for luggage? Before I give up a traditional sedan for a 4 door coupe, I would expect them to be at least as practical.

I also must say, talking about a £20k coupe vs a £25k sedan and the difference of £5k, seems a little unusual in an article where another car is over £100k. Context. Fair enough, you're showing us a few different price points. But personally, I wouldn't give up the practicality of a proper 4 door sedan in order to save £5k. Maybe that's why the market has followed a similar path.
I have an M6GC in Silverstone Blue.
Everyone who sees it loves it - even when compared to my previous M5 of the same era.
It has 4 proper adult seats with proper leg room. Kids will need booster seats to see out though and head room is tight in the back seats for mates who are over 6ft tall due to the raked roofline.
its worth a look

Triumph Man

8,687 posts

168 months

Monday 13th August 2018
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Ooo I do like a 6 series Gran Coupe!

big_rob_sydney

3,401 posts

194 months

Monday 13th August 2018
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TrickyTrevM5 said:
big_rob_sydney said:
I always thought the issue with a coupe (regardless of the number of doors...?), was the space in the rear seat. We have young kids, and I ran a 2 door coupe for quite some time, but even though I loved mine to bits, I eventually had to give it up and buy a 4 door with space, etc etc etc.

How do these cars stack up for space? I don't just mean for kids, but what is it like for adults? Also, what about space for luggage? Before I give up a traditional sedan for a 4 door coupe, I would expect them to be at least as practical.

I also must say, talking about a £20k coupe vs a £25k sedan and the difference of £5k, seems a little unusual in an article where another car is over £100k. Context. Fair enough, you're showing us a few different price points. But personally, I wouldn't give up the practicality of a proper 4 door sedan in order to save £5k. Maybe that's why the market has followed a similar path.
I have an M6GC in Silverstone Blue.
Everyone who sees it loves it - even when compared to my previous M5 of the same era.
It has 4 proper adult seats with proper leg room. Kids will need booster seats to see out though and head room is tight in the back seats for mates who are over 6ft tall due to the raked roofline.
its worth a look
Thanks Trev, I appreciate the reply from someone who's actually been there and done it.

Maybe the followup question would be, if you had to do it all over again, would you buy the coupe version over the sedan again?

dobly

1,178 posts

159 months

Monday 13th August 2018
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Sorry, can't see the love for these so-called coupes - they just look like 4-door saloons to me, with the exception of the FF, which looks great, as it doesn't have too many doors.

Edited by dobly on Monday 13th August 10:42