RE: Hyundai i30 N to get revised suspension in 2019

RE: Hyundai i30 N to get revised suspension in 2019

Tuesday 14th August 2018

Hyundai i30 N to get revised suspension in 2019

Hyundai said the i30 N's 2019 suspension changes won't hamper handling. We put that claim to the test



We love the Hyundai i30 N at PH. Developed under the guidance of ex-BMW M boss Albert Biermann, it proved in one fell swoop that South Korea can make a hot hatch and it can make it very, very good. Fast, extremely capable and (crucially) just a bit silly, it has us convinced that Hyundai can do far more than make five-door cars only an in-law would desire.

But there is, of course, room for improvement. Hyundai performance division vice president Thomas Schemera told PH as much when explaining what changes to expect with the updated 2019 version. During a prototype drive at the Millbrook Proving Ground (where Hyundai N's driver experience days are being held) in his next baby, the i30 N Fastback, the former BMW M USA manager said modifications are being made to the suspension setup in response to customer feedback.


“We now know that there is space to improve the i30 N’s Normal drive mode in particular,” he explained from the passenger seat. “We’ve really worked to improve the refinement without sacrificing the high performance handling, which I must stress, still remains the most important part of development for this car’s suspension.”

Schemera said that the i30 N Fastback would be the first to get the enhanced ‘2019 setup’ that includes new, 7mm longer polyurethane bump stops designed to provide damping support more of the time and in a more progressive way. The i30 N hatchback will receive the same enhancements, albeit calibrated for its slightly heavier structure, later on.

“There have also been changes to the front anti-roll bar that will help to make the car feel more refined,” Schemera added. He emphasised that this would have no impact on the car’s responsive front axle, “because we know it is important for performance driving customers not to lose this quality in the car”.


So, can you feel the changes from behind the wheel? After a back-to-back drive in an i30 N hatch and the prototype Fastback, we’d have to say yes, the damping does feel more resolved. The car’s inherent composure remains and N Mode is still teeth shatteringly firm – this mode is best left for track use – but in Normal mode the Fastback prototype definitely breaks less of a sweat over Millbrook’s rough surfaces.

We grilled Sven Risch, Hyundai’s high performance brake and chassis control genius (our title, not theirs) on how this wizardry was possible and he said that it was his team’s calibration technology that had allowed the use of a slightly more supple suspension setup.

“We can reduce the spring rates for comfort but prevent body roll by encouraging the outside damper to tighten when going through a corner,” Risch said. “Plus, having longer polyurethane bump stops on the front axle doesn’t only improve refinement, it also helps the suspension to provide more feedback as to when understeer will happen. We think we’ve done a good job for that.”


While it would be unfair to arrive at a proper verdict regarding the new chassis setup after only sampling a prototype, it would be fair to say at this stage that Risch’s confidence doesn’t exactly feel misplaced. Given that the Fastback will only be Hyundai N’s second model, we’d also say it represents a ruddy good rate of progress, even for a division with a couple of ex-BMW M bosses at the helm.

“We’re happy because we’ve already grabbed people’s attention with the i30 N,” said Schemera when asked how he thought the N division was doing. “I know from people in the industry that our rivals are already planning a response because we’ve done something different here. It’s given us confidence, confidence that Hyundai N can be respected as a proper performance brand very quickly. Quicker than the norm.”

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Dale487

Original Poster:

1,334 posts

123 months

Monday 13th August 2018
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The i30N Fastback looks like a real contender for when I need to replace my Leon with something newer, assuming got a big enough boot.

Hopefully the i30N hatch isn't a let down on Sunday - everyone seems to be positive who attended so far.

Onehp

1,617 posts

283 months

Monday 13th August 2018
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Does that mean the current car has shorter yet still hydraulic bumpstops? Thought that the new Megane was the only car to use hydraulic bumpstops.
Are these hydraulic bumpstops the real deal, inbuilt into the damper, or external like rubber bumpstops but with some oil in them like some engine mounts have? Would like to know a little more technical detail, are they more common than we think? Who makes them?
I had a set on aftermarket Tein coilover dampers with hydraulic bumpstops and I liked what they did, i.e. making a lowered car deal well with bigger bumps.

Cheers

Onehp

1,617 posts

283 months

Monday 13th August 2018
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Dale487 said:
The i30N Fastback looks like a real contender for when I need to replace my Leon with something newer, assuming got a big enough boot.

Hopefully the i30N hatch isn't a let down on Sunday - everyone seems to be positive who attended so far.
Yeah the boot size will be interesting to see, as is the fact that it's supposedly lighter.

Don't think it will disappoint. Leon ST FR is good, a N is next level...

AJB88

12,399 posts

171 months

Monday 13th August 2018
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Dale487 said:
Hopefully the i30N hatch isn't a let down on Sunday - everyone seems to be positive who attended so far.
It won't be, I've just replaced my 420ps Leon Cupra with a Cayman S, but I've been with SEAT for 11 years, owned all the Cupra's.

I was excited to finally get to test drive the i30N last Saturday at Millbrook, its not as fast as the Cupra but it handles really well, felt good inside (was expecting it to feel cheap but it didn't) and it sounded superb in N-Performance (only 2.0T I can compare it to is the A45 AMG).

I think the N-Performance range is becoming quickly what Cupra was like 10 years ago, a brand that not many people bought but very good, people who buy them are enthusiastic about them! now Cupra has just become another cheap lease deal.

Dale487

Original Poster:

1,334 posts

123 months

Monday 13th August 2018
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Onehp said:
Dale487 said:
The i30N Fastback looks like a real contender for when I need to replace my Leon with something newer, assuming got a big enough boot.

Hopefully the i30N hatch isn't a let down on Sunday - everyone seems to be positive who attended so far.
Yeah the boot size will be interesting to see, as is the fact that it's supposedly lighter.

Don't think it will disappoint. Leon ST FR is good, a N is next level...
Well assuming the boot will be the same size as the run of the mill i30 Fastback (not that I was aware they made one) its 450 litres - usefully bigger than the i30 hatch & Golf etc - which isn't massively down on the Leon ST FR I currently run. I just hope people buy them, so there's some lightly used stock for me to buy.

Dale487

Original Poster:

1,334 posts

123 months

Monday 13th August 2018
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AJB88 said:
Dale487 said:
Hopefully the i30N hatch isn't a let down on Sunday - everyone seems to be positive who attended so far.
It won't be, I've just replaced my 420ps Leon Cupra with a Cayman S, but I've been with SEAT for 11 years, owned all the Cupra's.

I was excited to finally get to test drive the i30N last Saturday at Millbrook, its not as fast as the Cupra but it handles really well, felt good inside (was expecting it to feel cheap but it didn't) and it sounded superb in N-Performance (only 2.0T I can compare it to is the A45 AMG).

I think the N-Performance range is becoming quickly what Cupra was like 10 years ago, a brand that not many people bought but very good, people who buy them are enthusiastic about them! now Cupra has just become another cheap lease deal.
Sounds like strong praise - I a Cayman (of any kind) would be great but not really practical enough.

Which Cayman S have you got?

AJB88

12,399 posts

171 months

Monday 13th August 2018
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Went for a very late (2015 65) 981 Cayman S with the 3.4 lump, after 11 years of 2.0T with exhaust systems the new 718 (982) 2.5T felt nice but was very similar in power delivery to the 2.0T's I have been used to.

If I was after another hot hatch, I'd seriously consider the i30N performance pack and modify it (like I have done with all my cars).

Dale487

Original Poster:

1,334 posts

123 months

Monday 13th August 2018
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AJB88 said:
Went for a very late (2015 65) 981 Cayman S with the 3.4 lump, after 11 years of 2.0T with exhaust systems the new 718 (982) 2.5T felt nice but was very similar in power delivery to the 2.0T's I have been used to.

If I was after another hot hatch, I'd seriously consider the i30N performance pack and modify it (like I have done with all my cars).
Both the 981 & 718 are great cars - I preferred the 981GTS to the 991.1 Carrera when I got to drive them both at the Silverstone Porsche Experience Centre.

Ajax Treesdown

154 posts

128 months

Monday 13th August 2018
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AJB88 said:
Went for a very late (2015 65) 981 Cayman S with the 3.4 lump, after 11 years of 2.0T with exhaust systems the new 718 (982) 2.5T felt nice but was very similar in power delivery to the 2.0T's I have been used to.

If I was after another hot hatch, I'd seriously consider the i30N performance pack and modify it (like I have done with all my cars).
I've had my I30 N now for 3 months and love it. It can ballastic crazy or just a normal hatchback depending on modes.

With regards to the modifying line in your reply, things have been a little slow in launching as i think they have found the ECU harder to crack than expected, but news of remaps are now filtering through. Remus have an aftermarket exhaust and tuning box as do DTEuk i think so there is options around at the minute.
I am sure many more upgrades etc will be forthcoming in the next few months though.

Matt Bird

1,450 posts

205 months

PH Reportery Lad

Wednesday 15th August 2018
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Onehp said:
Does that mean the current car has shorter yet still hydraulic bumpstops? Thought that the new Megane was the only car to use hydraulic bumpstops.
Are these hydraulic bumpstops the real deal, inbuilt into the damper, or external like rubber bumpstops but with some oil in them like some engine mounts have? Would like to know a little more technical detail, are they more common than we think? Who makes them?
I had a set on aftermarket Tein coilover dampers with hydraulic bumpstops and I liked what they did, i.e. making a lowered car deal well with bigger bumps.

Cheers
Hi!

Apologies for the delay in getting back to you; Megane definitely still the only car with hydraulic bumpstops, this car only uses polyurethane, which we've now had confirmed from Hyundai. Sam is being denied access to 'our' i30 until he's learned to spell polyurethane backwards... Thanks for pointing it out!

Best,


Matt

Jonno02

2,246 posts

109 months

Wednesday 15th August 2018
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AJB88 said:
now Cupra has just become another cheap lease deal.
So if a cheap lease comes along on the i30N, it won't be as good as it is right now? Cheap lease deals gets cars out the door, enthusiasts buying aftermarket parts for the 12 year old model don't.

loose cannon

6,030 posts

241 months

Wednesday 15th August 2018
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Matt Bird said:
Onehp said:
Does that mean the current car has shorter yet still hydraulic bumpstops? Thought that the new Megane was the only car to use hydraulic bumpstops.
Are these hydraulic bumpstops the real deal, inbuilt into the damper, or external like rubber bumpstops but with some oil in them like some engine mounts have? Would like to know a little more technical detail, are they more common than we think? Who makes them?
I had a set on aftermarket Tein coilover dampers with hydraulic bumpstops and I liked what they did, i.e. making a lowered car deal well with bigger bumps.

Cheers
Hi!

Apologies for the delay in getting back to you; Megane definitely still the only car with hydraulic bumpstops, this car only uses polyurethane, which we've now had confirmed from Hyundai. Sam is being denied access to 'our' i30 until he's learned to spell polyurethane backwards... Thanks for pointing it out!

Best,


Matt
The clio used hydraulic bumpstops way before the megane and also there is a Citroen with hydraulic bumpstops does the new alpine not have hydraulic bumpstops ?

https://www.citroen.co.uk/about-citroen/technology...

https://media.group.renault.com/global/en-gb/media...


Edited by loose cannon on Wednesday 15th August 13:36

framerateuk

2,732 posts

184 months

Thursday 16th August 2018
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loose cannon said:
The clio used hydraulic bumpstops way before the megane and also there is a Citroen with hydraulic bumpstops does the new alpine not have hydraulic bumpstops ?

https://www.citroen.co.uk/about-citroen/technology...

https://media.group.renault.com/global/en-gb/media...
The RS Clio also has the same hydraulic bump stops.

I like the Hyundai on paper, but the looks still don't do it for me. Bodes well for the future though.

DanielSan

18,786 posts

167 months

Thursday 16th August 2018
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Ajax Treesdown said:
I've had my I30 N now for 3 months and love it. It can ballastic crazy or just a normal hatchback depending on modes.

With regards to the modifying line in your reply, things have been a little slow in launching as i think they have found the ECU harder to crack than expected, but news of remaps are now filtering through. Remus have an aftermarket exhaust and tuning box as do DTEuk i think so there is options around at the minute.
I am sure many more upgrades etc will be forthcoming in the next few months though.
Eibach have a lowering spring kit out also

Dale487

Original Poster:

1,334 posts

123 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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Having driven the i30N hatch yesterday at Millbrook - its a brilliant car. Even the ride & tyre noise seemed good to me on the concrete oval at 100mph.

The only two criticisms are ( due to having a young child & being tall) are rear leg room (lack of room for an isofix base & knee room) and the boot is small for my needs (pushchairs & the like) but par for the size of car. The i30N Fastback would fix at least one of these.