RE: PH Footnote: Fernando Alonso's legacy

RE: PH Footnote: Fernando Alonso's legacy

Saturday 18th August 2018

PH Footnote: Fernando Alonso's legacy

Alonso will bow out of F1 later this year; we look back on his 18-season career



Some have dreaded this; others called for it to come sooner. Fernando Alonso is finally throwing in the towel at the age of 37, with two Formula 1 titles and 32 wins under his belt. Undeniably one of the greatest drivers to have ever graced an F1 grid, he has just nine races remaining on motorsport’s top rung. We’ll likely still see him racing over in the World Endurance Championship, of course, where he is already competing in the full 2018 calendar alongside his F1 duties. But his departure from the circus is a curious tale of what-ifs and close runs. Two championship wins ought to be sufficient for anyone - and yet, in many ways, Alonso bows out with his potential unfulfilled.

Lest we forget this is a man who came within a handful of points of the title on three occasions. He could have so easily been a four or five-time champion with a CV to rival Lewis Hamilton, Sebastian Vettel and maybe even Michael Schumacher. But the second half of his 18-season-long career hasn't provided him with a car consistently strong enough to chase another title. The last quarter has has been plagued by poor fortune resulting from an unsuccessful switch into an under-performing McLaren. Remember when he was nicknamed ‘the saddest man in F1’?


Consequently, Alonso will go down in history as one of the greatest as much for his perseverance as for the few years he spent at the sharp end of the field. He would likely agree that it was the years spent piloting a blue and yellow Renault that most clearly illustrated his ability to compete with the most talented racing drivers on the planet. Alonso dominated in 2005 when driving the V10-engined R25 to his first title just four years into his F1 career. But 2006 featured possibly his most audacious performance when he came out on top after an intense two-way fight for the title with seven-time-champ Michael Schumacher, then at Ferrari.

Arguably 2007 was a low point in Alonso’s career as a result, despite the fact that the then McLaren driver finished joint runner up and just a point from champion Kimi Räikkönen. Alonso appeared visually frustrated by his rookie teammate Lewis Hamilton, and while we’ll probably never fully understand how the friction between the pair played out in the pit lane, occasionally he let his emotions slip. Alonso openly complained of an internal favouritism towards Hamilton - although some critics suggested he was just angry at not being able to beat a newcomer.


Either way, his dissatisfaction at the Woking-based team spurred a return to Renault, but his former employer's cars were not competitive enough and it wasn’t until Alonso shifted to Ferrari in 2010 that he was again able to mount a championship charge. Alonso came within four points of champion Sebastien Vettel of Red Bull that year; he came closer still in 2012 when Vettel pipped him to the title by three points. 2013 was another runner up year, showing how often he came close to securing the ultimate glory for a season, even when not provided with the fastest car on the grid.

Alonso’s career turned towards its current path when he made a switch to McLaren as it reunited with engine supplier Honda in the latest V6 turbo era. The switch was understandable. McLaren and Honda were synonymous with Aryton Senna’s most dominating years in F1, which occurred during the last turbo period. History - if not of the recent sort - had shown that the Japanese manufacturer knew how to make forced induction engines of the race winning sort, and was in no way short of cash to repeat the feat. Alonso likelyshared the common belie; that McLaren-Honda had the potential to produce an almost unbeatable package.


Who could have guessed instead that Alonso would be left trundling around in unreliable, off-the-pace cars. Jenson Button, his teammate in 2015 and 2016, accepted his fate and retired apparently content with just the one title next to his name (from that memorable 2009 season at Brawn). But Alonso never stopped believing that his was every bit as fast as his younger self, and his frustration at not being able to prove it at the front of the grid showed. To add insult to injury, his former colleagues at Ferrari were the ones to produce a car capable of challenging Mercedes. What a shame we never got to see the Spanish driver turn into the biggest headache for the Silver Arrows, instead of languishing mid table.

Class, of course, is permanent though, and, as with all great drivers, Alonso still occasionally managed things in an uncompetitive car that no mere mortal could replicate. His reputation in the pit lane was undiminished, and if his career seems unfulfilled, then it is a reminder that foresight, prescient negotiation and a healthy quota of good fortune remain almost as valuable in F1 as raw ability. Even as it's turned out, it's not all doom and gloom. He won at Le Mans earlier this year with Toyota Gazoo Racing, a squad that recently reaffirmed its commitment to the WEC, and is leading the championship with his teammates Kazuki Nakajima and Sebastien Buemi. And Alonso still has his sights set on that triple crown, too - which might just mean an extended stint in Indy car for the former champion.

Either way, we have not seen the last of Alonso - and while one lengthy chapter comes to a close, he will rightly think the pages of history still open.


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sh33n

Original Poster:

194 posts

187 months

Saturday 18th August 2018
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Still rate him as the best driver on the grid. Look forward to seeing him at Silverstone in a couple of hours.

Baddie

612 posts

217 months

Saturday 18th August 2018
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I can’t recall a more polarising driver. Some have good reason to think him the best on the grid and others don’t.

For me his 2007 response to LH was petulant and unbecoming of a “great”, and there are too many suggestions that he does not draw a team around him. Ferrari were allegedly not sad to see him go and Christian Horner considered him potentially disruptive. He did not seem to form an epicentre of a team, after leaving Renault, like the best drivers do. For me the stats don’t represent his ability to punt a car round a track, but they do represent his overall standing as a driver. Let’s not forget he wasn’t perturbed about the boundaries of sporting morality when his Renault teammate deliberately crashed to give him an advantage - so long as someone else was the principle perpetrator. This, and his inability to fairly put a rookie back in his box on track puts Alonso on the second tier of great drivers for me - more Mansell than Fangio, Clark, Stewart, et al.

Piginapoke

4,752 posts

185 months

Saturday 18th August 2018
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Agree. I always found it incomprehensible that FA didn't know what was happening in Singapore, and considered him a cheat from then on. Good riddance.

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 18th August 2018
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His talent is undeniable, but the fact that none of the top teams want him speaks volumes for his behaviour within a team.

Sadly, for me his defining season was 2007 when his ego just couldn’t cope with Hamilton being his teammate and matching him on the track. His petulant behaviour that year has left a stain on his reputation that will never come out.

I’ll miss him though. Mercurial and unpredictable, both on and off the track, a real character. F1 is poorer for his retirement.

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 18th August 2018
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Oh, and as usual, Sniff Petrol are on the money smile

https://sniffpetrol.com/2018/08/16/alonso-could-re...

another 3 points

936 posts

197 months

Saturday 18th August 2018
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I blame the FIA , Liberty, and Sky. Altogether turning a great sport into weekend entertainment.

Too many Nancy rules and penalties. Not enough action during racing, a stupid notion that F1 has to be relevant to today’s road cars ( when tyres that last 2 laps are clearly not ) .

He’s done what Ferrari & Merc had talked about doing. Sad to see him depart when all he needed was a good car under him.

egern0

403 posts

101 months

Saturday 18th August 2018
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Piginapoke said:
Agree. I always found it incomprehensible that FA didn't know what was happening in Singapore, and considered him a cheat from then on. Good riddance.
Oh, I don't know; it seems quite natural that the Football Association didn't know what was going on wink
getmecoat

saxy

258 posts

124 months

Saturday 18th August 2018
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Great driver but he let his own career down. He could have won 2007, had he not blocked Hamilton. He could have had a championship car with Ferrari today had he not thrown Ferrari under the bus every weekend. He could have 2010 if not for a terrible putt stop strategy and qually performance

BricktopST205

895 posts

134 months

Saturday 18th August 2018
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The grid is getting worse and worse each year. Goes to show as I haven't watched a single race live this year.

VitorioVeloce

4,296 posts

143 months

Saturday 18th August 2018
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Baddie said:
For me his 2007 response to LH was petulant and unbecoming of a “great”,.
Many here bring that up, but that is more then a decade ago, and people change, and particularly looking at current F1 drivers, they mature. Who here wasnt a massive cock in his early 20s? Personally i made the stupidest decision of my life so far during that age-period.

Pumpsmynads

268 posts

156 months

Saturday 18th August 2018
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VitorioVeloce said:
Baddie said:
For me his 2007 response to LH was petulant and unbecoming of a “great”,.
Many here bring that up, but that is more then a decade ago, and people change, and particularly looking at current F1 drivers, they mature. Who here wasnt a massive cock in his early 20s? Personally i made the stupidest decision of my life so far during that age-period.
The fact no top teams wanted him for 11 years tells us that he didn’t change.

BricktopST205

895 posts

134 months

Saturday 18th August 2018
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Pumpsmynads said:
The fact no top teams wanted him for 11 years tells us that he didn’t change.
He drove for Ferrari two seasons after that incident and nearly won the championship if it wasn't for adrian newey and his genius.

big_rob_sydney

3,400 posts

194 months

Saturday 18th August 2018
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People speak of 2007 as if it was a strange thing. I guess it was in some ways; but I'd suggest that him leaving wasn't the first time, nor will it be the last time, that one team mate has bugged out due to issues with their intra-team competitor.

Maybe it's just me, but we see Danny Ric leaving, and there is noise around Max's speed. Staying with Red Bull, even Sebastian left after being beaten by the same Danny Ric. These are just a few examples, and I'm sure there are many others.

I don't think it was petulance on Alonso's behalf. While I'm indifferent about Lewis, I think we could say he's a very quick driver, and has proved his ability. I understood Ron actually came out on camera and stated that the fight was essentially "us against Fernando." It may have been a poor choice of words, and there may be an element of language barrier there, but I don't think Fernando would have been happy to hear his own boss was conspiring against him. And while we're on the subject, lets not forget that Lewis was something of a golden boy for Ron.

Politics has a way of upsetting the apple-cart. If you look at it from Alonso's perspective, where he may have believed Ron was favouring the golden boy, I'm not surprised he left.

Having said all that, yes, he does seem to have courted controversy at other teams.

samoht

5,690 posts

146 months

Saturday 18th August 2018
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BricktopST205 said:
Pumpsmynads said:
The fact no top teams wanted him for 11 years tells us that he didn’t change.
He drove for Ferrari two seasons after that incident and nearly won the championship if it wasn't for adrian newey and his genius.
And according to BBC*, Red Bull were interested in him for 2008 (straight after the worst of the blow-up with McLaren), and it was Alonso's choice to return to Renault. So the fact he went to Renault, Ferrari and back to McLaren, and apparently had the chance to go to Red Bull, rather suggests that his actions during 2007 weren't the single decisive cause of his subsequent lack of championships.

Alonso's team moves were both good and bad - moving to Renault in 03 worked out, moving to McLaren in 07 was hardly wrong as they had the best car that year, moving to Ferrari in '10 was perfectly reasonable. OTOH clearly choosing Renault over Red Bull in 08 was unfortunate, and leaving Ferrari for McLaren in 15 a disaster. But these things cannot be known in advance, you're always gambling on your future. Vettel and Hamilton made one move each (RB to Ferrari in 2015, McLaren to Merc in 2013), each of which worked out well, but that's only one lucky move in each case, and we tend to more easily forget those whose gambles didn't work out.

So unsatisfying as it may seem to put things down to random chance, at the end of the day I think that while Fernando is an exceptional talent there are relatively plenty of drivers capable of winning, and there's a lot of luck about being in the right team in the right era. Ultimately he won two championships, I think that's just as likely a final score for a top driver as winning four or five.


A44RON

487 posts

96 months

Saturday 18th August 2018
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samoht said:
BricktopST205 said:
Pumpsmynads said:
The fact no top teams wanted him for 11 years tells us that he didn’t change.
He drove for Ferrari two seasons after that incident and nearly won the championship if it wasn't for adrian newey and his genius.
And according to BBC*, Red Bull were interested in him for 2008 (straight after the worst of the blow-up with McLaren), and it was Alonso's choice to return to Renault. So the fact he went to Renault, Ferrari and back to McLaren, and apparently had the chance to go to Red Bull, rather suggests that his actions during 2007 weren't the single decisive cause of his subsequent lack of championships.

Alonso's team moves were both good and bad - moving to Renault in 03 worked out, moving to McLaren in 07 was hardly wrong as they had the best car that year, moving to Ferrari in '10 was perfectly reasonable. OTOH clearly choosing Renault over Red Bull in 08 was unfortunate, and leaving Ferrari for McLaren in 15 a disaster. But these things cannot be known in advance, you're always gambling on your future. Vettel and Hamilton made one move each (RB to Ferrari in 2015, McLaren to Merc in 2013), each of which worked out well, but that's only one lucky move in each case, and we tend to more easily forget those whose gambles didn't work out.

So unsatisfying as it may seem to put things down to random chance, at the end of the day I think that while Fernando is an exceptional talent there are relatively plenty of drivers capable of winning, and there's a lot of luck about being in the right team in the right era. Ultimately he won two championships, I think that's just as likely a final score for a top driver as winning four or five.

Nail on the head. Martin Brundle said in 2007 that Adrian Sutil would've put that year's McLaren on the podium straight away

blade7

11,311 posts

216 months

Saturday 18th August 2018
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Alonso v Vettel all things being equal, I don't think Vettel would see which way he went.

jason61c

5,978 posts

174 months

Saturday 18th August 2018
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Best driver on the grid. By a mile.

Its a shame its such a boring sport now, I can see his reasons to leave.

NGK210

2,905 posts

145 months

Saturday 18th August 2018
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A flawed personality with an alarming ability to be in the right team at the wrong time, but if he’d been in last year’s Ferrari he would’ve walked the championship and if he were driving this year’s Ferrari, he’d be safely en route to the 2018 title.
He’s spookily quick and consistent during races and very rarely makes mistakes - the antithesis of Vettel.
And it’s a pleasure to see Ferrari and Vettel drowning in karma for ousting Alonso:
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/f1/matt...

BricktopST205

895 posts

134 months

Saturday 18th August 2018
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samoht said:
And according to BBC*, Red Bull were interested in him for 2008 (straight after the worst of the blow-up with McLaren), and it was Alonso's choice to return to Renault. So the fact he went to Renault, Ferrari and back to McLaren, and apparently had the chance to go to Red Bull, rather suggests that his actions during 2007 weren't the single decisive cause of his subsequent lack of championships.

Alonso's team moves were both good and bad - moving to Renault in 03 worked out, moving to McLaren in 07 was hardly wrong as they had the best car that year, moving to Ferrari in '10 was perfectly reasonable. OTOH clearly choosing Renault over Red Bull in 08 was unfortunate, and leaving Ferrari for McLaren in 15 a disaster. But these things cannot be known in advance, you're always gambling on your future. Vettel and Hamilton made one move each (RB to Ferrari in 2015, McLaren to Merc in 2013), each of which worked out well, but that's only one lucky move in each case, and we tend to more easily forget those whose gambles didn't work out.

So unsatisfying as it may seem to put things down to random chance, at the end of the day I think that while Fernando is an exceptional talent there are relatively plenty of drivers capable of winning, and there's a lot of luck about being in the right team in the right era. Ultimately he won two championships, I think that's just as likely a final score for a top driver as winning four or five.

Going to Mclaren was always a risk but he knew deep down that Ferrari had no chance of catching up with Mercedes (They still don't and it will require massive rule change for them to catch up) so his only option was to gamble with the Honda power unit. I agree with Lewis getting lucky. He is a fantastic driver no doubt but any of the top drivers would have gotten those three/four championships in that Mercedes car. Nigel Mansell who in my opinion did some truely heroic races like Hungary 89 walks away with just 1 championship yet I would rate him above the likes of Vettel any day of the week.

Sam993

1,302 posts

72 months

Saturday 18th August 2018
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MODS this should be moved to F1 subforum, shouldn't it?