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Depends on your budget and what your must haves are.
If new from factory you will be waiting a long time.
it’s rare to find a new, non factory car but there is/was a nice ls3 car for sale by a known and respected builder which imo is the best value into a quality car at this point of time.
If new from factory you will be waiting a long time.
it’s rare to find a new, non factory car but there is/was a nice ls3 car for sale by a known and respected builder which imo is the best value into a quality car at this point of time.
deadscoob said:
Depends on your budget and what your must haves are.
If new from factory you will be waiting a long time.
it’s rare to find a new, non factory car but there is/was a nice ls3 car for sale by a known and respected builder which imo is the best value into a quality car at this point of time.
Knowing the gent in question and having seen his first build and photos of the second, I concur without second thoughts to your comments/recommendation.If new from factory you will be waiting a long time.
it’s rare to find a new, non factory car but there is/was a nice ls3 car for sale by a known and respected builder which imo is the best value into a quality car at this point of time.
To the OP get in touch with Mark. It could still be up for sale.
Edited by UltimaCH on Sunday 2nd September 10:21
Thanks chaps.... yes, my new car is currently available. I’m on holiday out of the country, but returning tomorrow and have some viewings lined up for the car. Keith, if you’d like to know more, PM me, or give me a call / email via the advert.
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
There’s also 100+ pics on my build page here for you to review: https://www.facebook.com/Ultima.Can.Am.Build/
Regards, Mark
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
There’s also 100+ pics on my build page here for you to review: https://www.facebook.com/Ultima.Can.Am.Build/
Regards, Mark
keirik said:
Think it's a 3 year wait for a new one. There is a stunning blue grey one being sold by a fellow kit car club member in the north west at a bargain price (He's also selling his helicopter and his porsche so suspect he has urgent cash issues to deal with)
Do you have his contact details or a link?
356Speedster said:
Thanks chaps.... yes, my new car is currently available. I’m on holiday out of the country, but returning tomorrow and have some viewings lined up for the car. Keith, if you’d like to know more, PM me, or give me a call / email via the advert.
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
There’s also 100+ pics on my build page here for you to review: https://www.facebook.com/Ultima.Can.Am.Build/
Regards, Mark
Looks like a nice example and the build pics are nice. Quite a saving to be had. I figured out the minimum amount of money it takes to build an Evolution is £51,073 (inc. VAT) and this does not include the engine and HVAC but does include the Porsche 996 transaxle. Add the cost of a LS3 crate and it will be another £5820 inc VAT. So total minimum cost would be £56,893.https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
There’s also 100+ pics on my build page here for you to review: https://www.facebook.com/Ultima.Can.Am.Build/
Regards, Mark
That figure comes from the factory itself - I simply totalled it all up from the latest XL sheets (EVO car) so I think it's fairly accurate. The car is not as much as people say it is. I have no idea how people arrive at ~£100k, this is madness. If the car did really cost this much why are second hand cars no where near this. Of course that price is the bare minimum, it doesn't include carpet, any nice comfy additional options.
If you buy a pre-built car from the factory I believe they charge £65k for the LS3 engine or there about's.
If you buy a pre-built car from the factory I believe they charge £65k for the LS3 engine or there about's.
wannabe-racer said:
That figure comes from the factory itself - I simply totalled it all up from the latest XL sheets (EVO car) so I think it's fairly accurate. The car is not as much as people say it is. I have no idea how people arrive at ~£100k, this is madness. If the car did really cost this much why are second hand cars no where near this. Of course that price is the bare minimum, it doesn't include carpet, any nice comfy additional options.
If you buy a pre-built car from the factory I believe they charge £65k for the LS3 engine or there about's.
Please remember you are talking to people who have built (or rebuilt in my case) an Ultima.If you buy a pre-built car from the factory I believe they charge £65k for the LS3 engine or there about's.
There are many options for a build and an LS3 is now a low power option when you can get 1000+hp. A 996 Porsche box is again the bottom of the specs.
Does the spreadsheet include the adaptor plate, flywheel, clutch, starter, battery, headers, exhaust, air cleaner, catch tanks, gear linkage, the list goes on.
There is a choice of copper or alloy radiator, different strength drive shafts and UJs, different quality dampers, different front wishbone lengths, rear wing or not, LED or incandescent lights, electronic dash or analogue dials, leather or alcantara interior, heated screen or not, aircon, different quality wheels.
All of the above are Factory options. This is before you step away from Factory.
If you build a low specification car it will be harder to sell and at a lower price. The figures mentioned by others on here reflect the specification of their vehicles.
deadscoob said:
+vat
If you think you can, post the component costs and we can highlight what’s missing
Thank you, I will take you up on that offer. I'll prepare a list and post back. Maybe there's a few things I am missing. I am trying to fit this into my budget. I have a Atom 4 being delivered in April and now trying to figure out if I can afford this at the same time. I don't like borrowing money so if I don't have enough, I will need to wait until more stock vests, but I will be able to at least start with Pack A build process.If you think you can, post the component costs and we can highlight what’s missing
I’ve not experienced an atom 4, but have 3.5r’s and others.
As I mentioned above, Atoms are far more nimble and I think better on track out the box, so Defo post the components list you have and we can highlight the items that need to be concentrated on to get the best out of it.
What spec have you gone for on the Atom?
As I mentioned above, Atoms are far more nimble and I think better on track out the box, so Defo post the components list you have and we can highlight the items that need to be concentrated on to get the best out of it.
What spec have you gone for on the Atom?
Storer said:
I have been given a track experience present of an Atom which I am taking on Monday. It will be interesting to compare it to the Ultima.
The last time I did a track day with the Ultima an Atom could not keep up!!!
+1The last time I did a track day with the Ultima an Atom could not keep up!!!
I have both and love both, but the Ultima is in a different league for me on track.
deadscoob said:
I’ve not experienced an atom 4, but have 3.5r’s and others.
As I mentioned above, Atoms are far more nimble and I think better on track out the box, so Defo post the components list you have and we can highlight the items that need to be concentrated on to get the best out of it.
What spec have you gone for on the Atom?
Please see the Ultima breakdown of costs here (OneDrive): https://1drv.ms/x/s!AiAYBMq-hhN2hOpT2OJKLDsgAXdjVA This does not include the engine, clutch , ECU etc I need to add this on separately. Would be good to know if I am missing anything on this list (I suspect I am)As I mentioned above, Atoms are far more nimble and I think better on track out the box, so Defo post the components list you have and we can highlight the items that need to be concentrated on to get the best out of it.
What spec have you gone for on the Atom?
For the Atom - the 4.0 specs have not been released yet but my car will be similar to the previous spec i.e.
- Alcon 290mm all round
- LSD (now included with the new engine in the 4)
- 310bhp upgrade - Supercharger (now replaced by a turbo engine in the 4)
- Baffled sump
- Cat bypass
- Ohlins ttx 36 dampers
- Quick release steering wheel
- Likely get some kind of magnesium wheels
- Front and rear aerofoils
- Likely end up going for a sequential gearbox - once I see spec sheet
- Remote front rear brake bias adjustment
- Alloy radiator
Tim,
What spec is your Atom? Your Ultima is quite different to a normal one isn’t it, 800hp and lightweight?
what’s the specs of both?
Paul,
I do quite a few Bedford trackdays as you know, 90% of the time the Atoms there aren’t “that” quick on track, but that’s by driver capability rather than car. I reckon a well driven 3.5r can do an easy mid 2.30s on the GT track. You need a decent spec Ultima to match that.
Perhaps the non Rs are a lot slower, but I had a whole lot of fun with one on a trackday, it was very quick.
What spec is your Atom? Your Ultima is quite different to a normal one isn’t it, 800hp and lightweight?
what’s the specs of both?Paul,
I do quite a few Bedford trackdays as you know, 90% of the time the Atoms there aren’t “that” quick on track, but that’s by driver capability rather than car. I reckon a well driven 3.5r can do an easy mid 2.30s on the GT track. You need a decent spec Ultima to match that.
Perhaps the non Rs are a lot slower, but I had a whole lot of fun with one on a trackday, it was very quick.
The non-R upgrade (of 40HP) are not that much slower than the supercharged Atoms, but the supercharged Atom over the 245 bhp stock Atom is much faster.
You also need to take into consideration the brakes, wheels (for less un-sprung mass) and the suspension when it comes to performance for the Atom. I suspect, as I have never driven the Ultima GTR/Evo that the Atom will brake much better with the Alcons or now AP racing (with the 4.0 car) 4 pot brakes, this gives a massive advantage simply due to the Atom being almost half the weight of a GTR. Also slick tyres make a huge difference as do wheel width. The 3.5R has bigger and wider track width that is not just specific to the R car, you can make the car wider by using the same magnesium wheels as the R tends to have.
I am hoping the new Atom 4.0 will have many tuning options available i.e. as simple as a ECU remap and other more advanced ways that the customer can chose to buy i.e. upgrading the intercooler etc.
You also need to take into consideration the brakes, wheels (for less un-sprung mass) and the suspension when it comes to performance for the Atom. I suspect, as I have never driven the Ultima GTR/Evo that the Atom will brake much better with the Alcons or now AP racing (with the 4.0 car) 4 pot brakes, this gives a massive advantage simply due to the Atom being almost half the weight of a GTR. Also slick tyres make a huge difference as do wheel width. The 3.5R has bigger and wider track width that is not just specific to the R car, you can make the car wider by using the same magnesium wheels as the R tends to have.
I am hoping the new Atom 4.0 will have many tuning options available i.e. as simple as a ECU remap and other more advanced ways that the customer can chose to buy i.e. upgrading the intercooler etc.
Having briefly checked your spreadsheet here are some observations.
No aircon - essential in a GTR
No tyres
No interior trim inc seats (my bespoke leather interior cost £5k)
There will be many other 'little' things that add up. Aeroquip hoses are cheap, the fittings are not.
Also ask about upgrades on the components and if your power plans and usage would make those upgrade desirable.
The build process is a major part of Ultima ownership IMO. The Factory agree that it should be an enjoyable process and work hard to make it so. However (there had to be one), if you are constantly trying to save money or avoid going over your budget your build will not be as much fun as it should be.
You are better off pausing the build until finances allow.
Also, do not fool yourself that 'your' build will be worth top money when complete. It will have to compete with others of a higher specification and you don't "make" money from building an Ultima. It is a hobby and as such costs you to do.
My thoughts.
No aircon - essential in a GTR
No tyres
No interior trim inc seats (my bespoke leather interior cost £5k)
There will be many other 'little' things that add up. Aeroquip hoses are cheap, the fittings are not.
Also ask about upgrades on the components and if your power plans and usage would make those upgrade desirable.
The build process is a major part of Ultima ownership IMO. The Factory agree that it should be an enjoyable process and work hard to make it so. However (there had to be one), if you are constantly trying to save money or avoid going over your budget your build will not be as much fun as it should be.
You are better off pausing the build until finances allow.
Also, do not fool yourself that 'your' build will be worth top money when complete. It will have to compete with others of a higher specification and you don't "make" money from building an Ultima. It is a hobby and as such costs you to do.
My thoughts.
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