RE: Shed of the Week: Jeep Cherokee 4.0 Orvis

RE: Shed of the Week: Jeep Cherokee 4.0 Orvis

Friday 7th September 2018

Shed of the Week: Jeep Cherokee 4.0 Orvis

What's in a name?



What's a used car worth? The usual answer to that is, whatever someone's prepared to cough up for it.

The trouble for sellers, of course, is that the coughing number isn't always that close to the asking number. Take this week's Shed: a Jeep Cherokee 4.0 Orvis. You may think that £1500 is a bit strong, and that £750 might be nearer the mark. The beauty of Shed metal is that the difference between the asking and the coughing numbers is never that great. Convincing a supercar seller to take a 50 percent hit on their asking price would net you enough cash to buy a house, but applying the same level of bargaining cheek at Shed level is a lot easier because the amounts involved really aren't going to hurt anyone.

So, let's assume that you could snag this Cherokee Orvis for somewhat less than the asking price. What would you be getting? And what the hell is an Orvis anyway? Isn't it some kind of South American burrowing mammal?


No. It was a 'special edition' Cherokee built between 1995 and 1997, when Jeep had a marketing tie-up with an American purveyor of sporting gear and apparel for people who liked to go out and kill stuff. Today, Orvis will sell you some Snakeproof Gaiters for $149, a Tweed Balmoral Cap (flat hat) for $98, and a Handwoven Upland Lanyard (which is basically a leather string with a compass and a whistle) for just $179. It is 'heirloom quality', mind you.

In the UK, Orvis sells a slightly pruned selection of huntin' and fishin' gear, including £850 fishing rods and various dung-coloured items of 'expedition clothing', but they'll also try and flog you the odd novelty item that you'd normally only expect to see in a multi-million dollar Colorado log cabin. For example, the tasteful Moose Foot Rest (put your feet up and show your contempt for the noble beasts of the field at the same time, £179) or some Orvis Fatwood - 6.8 kilos of designer-scented fire kindling sticks in a burlap sack for just £25.

This is the second Orvis to pop up in SOTW in the last couple of years. As you can see, Jeep UK thankfully binned the eyebrow-raising US colourways of Moss Green or Light Driftwood featuring Orvis's uniquely vile-sounding "beige-and-green luxury leather seating surfaces with red piping and matching door panel accents". Instead, they went for a more sober black. With a set of leather Hi-Pouffe Squidge-A-Rama seats, also in black, plus a few slivers cut from a length of Wood-U-Like® four-by-two, the result actually looks more than all right.


The Le Mans 24H door decals and screen passes and the Rossi 46 sticker on the rear glass suggest an interesting life spent on the road. The vendor's travelling partner has been travelling in style too, judging by the sheepskin seat and mat covers. It's really not that hard to imagine yourself in a premium motor - until you begin to prod the Jeep's rickety switchgear and start to lose coins, food items and small children in the interior panel gaps, anyway. Well, it wasn't quite that bad, but it is true that build quality wasn't something US customers worried too much about in the 1990s.

Standard equipment levels have shot up over the last 20 years too, but back in the 1990s British motorists saw the Grand Cherokee as a rolling testament to American electronic excess. 'Rolling' wasn't always the right word, given the occasional frailty of the Jeep's electrics, but their Fred Flintstone-era AMC-born 4.0 litre straight six was the engineering equivalent of a Saharan camel. It could trace its lineage back to 1964, when it was designed in conjunction with, would you believe, Renault. By 2001 they'd produced five million of these 4.0 pushrod motors. The air filter can get bunged up with blow-by from worn rings, but in general these 4.0s deliver relaxed long-distance cruising and easy 200k mileages without major rebuilds.

They also deliver retro fuel consumption and a tendency to moisten the car's undersides with escaping oil, courtesy of a mildly weepy rear main seal. Despite that clever rustproofing trick, the Cherokee is not immune from brown infestation. The MOT tester dealing with this car for the last six and a bit years is obviously quite the stickler, as he's been reporting rust practically from the start of the seller's time with it. The good news is that his warnings of 2012 don't seem to have become any more strident over time.


Doubters may have to eat their words when they put the Cherokee's Quadra-Trac permanent all-time four-wheel-drive to the test. It's a highly competent system. With winter approaching, Quadra-Trac plus that nice new towbar could make you a popular fellow down your way. This cartoon tells you how it and the associated brake-lock diff works. You do need to make sure that a Cherokee's tyres are properly matched or it can tie itself into expensive knots. Faulty aircons aren't cheap to fix either. Fortunately this car is sorted on both fronts.

There's not a lot of room in the back of a Cherokee, and even less in the very back thanks to the intrusive spare, but on the plus side this car does apparently have Bluetooth for 'steaming' music. We're going to put that down as a typo though becaus the engine does not have a reputation for head gasket failure.

Here's the ad.



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only1ian

Original Poster:

688 posts

194 months

Friday 7th September 2018
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Had the v8 overland addition of next reiteration of the Grand Cherokee. Nearly unstoppable with the quadra trac 2 system however interior was awful, fuel economy none existent and electrically frail. Still loved it!


sidesauce

2,475 posts

218 months

Friday 7th September 2018
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A good friend of mine had one of these back in the 90s (he does love an American Jeep and drives a Wrangler Rubicon now), I seem to remember it handled like a boat and was just as thirsty...

jon-yprpe

383 posts

88 months

Friday 7th September 2018
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Is this not um Grand Cherokee?


SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

234 months

Friday 7th September 2018
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jon-yprpe said:
Is this not um Grand Cherokee?
Yes it is and as it says in the ad.

Sparky137

869 posts

181 months

Friday 7th September 2018
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My father had a couple of these, one of which was an Orvis. Lovely cars and far more economical than my two Range Rovers. 30+mpg was possible on a run. In fact I'd say that overall it was a better vehicle than the Range Rover simply because there was no guessing game as to which bit was going to fall off/break/strand you every time you drove it unlike the Range Rovers.

They were replaced with a WJ Grand Cherokee which was absolute rubbish in comparison. In fact for the last five years the WJ has sat on my drive with an ECU fault rendering it immobile. Soon to be scrapped.

£1500 is very strong money for this. £1000 absolute max and only then if it is immaculate.

northwest monkey

6,370 posts

189 months

Friday 7th September 2018
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The Orvis name did carry on after 1997 - I bought a brand new Cherokee Orvis (not Grand) in 2000. Vented (fake vents) bonnet, wood trim and ruched leather - I loved it! Had it for 18 months & put 45k on then sold it - it was still on the road in 2016 so not bad for an "unreliable" car.


Johnspex

4,342 posts

184 months

Friday 7th September 2018
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I wonder what the furry cover on the passenger seat is hiding.

g7jhp

6,964 posts

238 months

Friday 7th September 2018
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SOTW hits a new low, last weeks 306 D Turbo was bad but a shagged out SUV.

Perhaps it's time to revamp for the format if this is as Pistonheads as it gets.

Remember, Speed (and style used to) Matter!!!

BFleming

3,605 posts

143 months

Friday 7th September 2018
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Horrendous SOTW. Overpriced scrap at best.

SidewaysSi said:
jon-yprpe said:
Is this not um Grand Cherokee?
Yes it is and as it says in the ad.
It just broadly ignores it in the article.

Johnspex said:
I wonder what the furry cover on the passenger seat is hiding.
Who needs heated seats with a stunning seat cover like that?

Turbobanana

6,266 posts

201 months

Friday 7th September 2018
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g7jhp said:
SOTW hits a new low, last weeks 306 D Turbo was bad but a shagged out SUV.

Perhaps it's time to revamp for the format if this is as Pistonheads as it gets.

Remember, Speed (and style used to) Matter!!!
We await your suggestion from the classifieds with baited breath rolleyes

Limpet

6,309 posts

161 months

Friday 7th September 2018
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As mentioned, it's overpriced, but that aside, there is something oddly appealing about this.

Love the comprehensive instrument panel as well. At the risk of sounding like an old fart, whatever happened to proper instruments? You're lucky to even get a temperature gauge in 2018.

Cupra Black

3,029 posts

218 months

Friday 7th September 2018
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I brought one as a temporary tow vehicle for our horse trailer.

Great tow car, loads of power and very stable. Sounded nice and was great fun in all the snow we had in the winter.

MPG was shocking though.

It failed its MOT but was brought by a couple of local lads who were going to drive it down into Europe (they tested the low ratios so I suspect it was heading to Syria or somewhere similar)

usualdog

230 posts

163 months

Friday 7th September 2018
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I'm actually scared of the seat cover.

Weirdhead

87 posts

105 months

Friday 7th September 2018
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Cupra Black said:
I brought one as a temporary tow vehicle for our horse trailer.

Great tow car, loads of power and very stable. Sounded nice and was great fun in all the snow we had in the winter.

MPG was shocking though.

It failed its MOT but was brought by a couple of local lads who were going to drive it down into Europe (they tested the low ratios so I suspect it was heading to Syria or somewhere similar)
Brought? To the council thread with you!

tobinen

9,226 posts

145 months

Friday 7th September 2018
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Ideal winter hack, and pretty capable off-road.

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 7th September 2018
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Pretty certain that this is the model that suffered from the exploding gas tank issue subject to loads of lawsuits in the US. Not for me thanks!

greenarrow

3,590 posts

117 months

Friday 7th September 2018
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g7jhp said:
SOTW hits a new low, last weeks 306 D Turbo was bad but a shagged out SUV.

Perhaps it's time to revamp for the format if this is as Pistonheads as it gets.

Remember, Speed (and style used to) Matter!!!
I think maybe you're missing the point of SOTY. Yes, it stands for "SHED" of the week, not "Sportscar" of the week.

Personally whilst its not my cup of tea, stuff like this old Jeep are what Shed is about.

treeroy

564 posts

85 months

Friday 7th September 2018
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Cupra Black said:
I brought one as a temporary tow vehicle for our horse trailer.

Great tow car, loads of power and very stable. Sounded nice and was great fun in all the snow we had in the winter.

MPG was shocking though.

It failed its MOT but was brought by a couple of local lads who were going to drive it down into Europe (they tested the low ratios so I suspect it was heading to Syria or somewhere similar)
mpg was shocking? What kind of mpg from a big American car could possibly shock you? I'd expect it to get what 15 mpg? Maybe less

soad

32,894 posts

176 months

Friday 7th September 2018
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tobinen said:
Ideal winter hack, and pretty capable off-road.
Get it bought. hehe

beanoir

1,327 posts

195 months

Friday 7th September 2018
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tobinen said:
Ideal winter hack, and pretty capable off-road.
Just a shame they're so st on the road!!

One of the worst cars (I use that term loosely) i've had the displeasure of owning. Up there with a Metro and a rusty Jag