RE: Porsche Panamera 4S Diesel: Spotted

RE: Porsche Panamera 4S Diesel: Spotted

Tuesday 25th September 2018

Porsche Panamera 4S Diesel: Spotted

Porsche's diesel free future is having no impact on the desirability of its used oil burning models



So it’s official, the diesel Porsche is dead. Less than 10 years after a V6 diesel engine was introduced to the Mk1 Cayenne to create the first Porsche fed by the devil’s pump, CEO Oliver Blume has confirmed his company will go totally “diesel free”. WLTP tests and Porsche’s electric ambitions probably play a part in his decision, but Blume unashamedly pointed his finger to diesel’s bad image following the Volkswagen scandal.

That’s not to say that used diesel Porsches should be dismissed, however. For starters, there’s bloody loads of ‘em so it should, in theory, be easier to find one to your taste. The vast majority of Cayennes (55%) listed on the PH Classifieds are of the derv kind, for example, while 27% of Panameras drink the fuel that turns station forecourts into oily ice rinks. If you’re after a diesel Porsche, it’s highly likely that one of these should fit the bill – and at decent value, too.


Take the Panamera 4S Diesel we’ve spotted here. It’s a 2016 Mk2 car, which means its design is far less cumbersome, with a more confident four-door shape than the original Panamera. Plus, it uses the desirable twin blower 4.0-litre V8 diesel with 422hp and a mammoth 627lb ft of torque on offer. The engine is essentially the same as the 4.0-litre you get in a new Audi SQ7 and, fittingly, the Porsche it’s featured in is – give or take a couple of grand – about the same price as a new one of those SUVs.

The comparisons end about there though because the Panamea 4S Diesel is, even with 12,000 miles of use under its belt, going to be the far better steer. It’s quicker, with that peak torque figure slapping you in the forehead from just 1,000rpm and charging this diesel liftback from 0-62mph in 0-62mph in 4.3 seconds, 100mph in 10.4 seconds and, if you keep it pinned, all the way to 178mph. Yet the official stats attached to the 4S Diesel include 42.2mpg and 176g/km. Few combustion engine cars can claim to be so fast and frugal.


The second-gen Panamera steers as well as it goes, with four-wheel steer and a rear bias to that powertrain helping the confident, composed chassis remain pointy and Porsche-like despite the inclusion of four proper seats, same number of doors and a decent boot. You could go for a new SQ7 and have even more room, but the Panamera is the sleeker option and, as far as driving is concerned, in another world for entertainment. So you shouldn’t.

Find yourself a Panamera 4S Diesel with Porsche’s Active Suspension Management (PASM) hardware – all but essential on Britain’s roads – and you’ll be onto a winner… Oh look, the car we’ve found has PASM. And it comes in a smart, discreet grey. Buy this and you can slip along as the engine sips diesel and thrust yourself on all that torque from A to B and, if you want, C, with an almost unrivalled cross-country pace thanks to the fewer fuel stops you’ll have to make than a rival in a less fuel efficient alternative.


So yeah, Porsche might be closing the curtain on diesel but, as far as we’re concerned, its best oil-burning model of the recent past is still very much relevant.


SPECIFICATION - PORSCHE PANAMERA 4S DIESEL

Engine: 3,956cc, twin-turbocharged V8, diesel

Transmission: Eight-speed automatic, four-wheel drive

Power (hp): 422@5,000rpm

Torque (lb ft): 627@1,000-3,250rpm

MPG: 42.2

CO2: 176g/km

First registered: 2016

Recorded mileage: 12,000 miles

Price new: £91,788

Yours for: £72,534

See the full ad here.

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jm28

Original Poster:

48 posts

114 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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Floor court? I always thought it was a forecourt.

rudester

656 posts

151 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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55%, a "vast majority" !!!

PhilboSE

4,323 posts

225 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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Just a shocking article. Poorly written, sad old tropes, full of cliches. I reckon I've been driving far longer than the moron who wrote this piece (because it reads like it was written by a 20 year old) and I've never come across an "oily ice rink" at a petrol station.

As for not buying an SQ7 because the Porsche is a better drive, what a fking stupid statement. What if you value the other attributes of the SQ7 more?

Vocht

1,630 posts

163 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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PhilboSE said:
Just a shocking article. Poorly written, sad old tropes, full of cliches. I reckon I've been driving far longer than the moron who wrote this piece (because it reads like it was written by a 20 year old) and I've never come across an "oily ice rink" at a petrol station.

As for not buying an SQ7 because the Porsche is a better drive, what a fking stupid statement. What if you value the other attributes of the SQ7 more?
Somebody woke up on the wrong side of their bed this morning....


ThunderSpook

3,571 posts

210 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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I love the fact that PistonHeads actively supports every driver no matter if they drive a super car or a st heap, big cars, small cars, anything, as long as it’s not diesel. Apparently us diesel drivers are not welcome.

kambites

67,461 posts

220 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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ThunderSpook said:
I love the fact that PistonHeads actively supports every driver no matter if they drive a super car or a st heap, big cars, small cars, anything, as long as it’s not diesel. Apparently us diesel drivers are not welcome.
Nah, not all of us hate you...

... some of us just think you're misguided and need help. biggrin

Johnspex

4,332 posts

183 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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kambites said:
ThunderSpook said:
I love the fact that PistonHeads actively supports every driver no matter if they drive a super car or a st heap, big cars, small cars, anything, as long as it’s not diesel. Apparently us diesel drivers are not welcome.
Nah, not all of us hate you...

... some of us just think you're misguided and need help. biggrin
That's not true at all. You are welcome as a diesel driver, you're not welcome because you say us when you should say we. " we diesel drivers"

bangerturner

157 posts

221 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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Johnspex said:
kambites said:
ThunderSpook said:
I love the fact that PistonHeads actively supports every driver no matter if they drive a super car or a st heap, big cars, small cars, anything, as long as it’s not diesel. Apparently us diesel drivers are not welcome.
Nah, not all of us hate you...

... some of us just think you're misguided and need help. biggrin
That's not true at all. You are welcome as a diesel driver, you're not welcome because you say us when you should say we. " we diesel drivers"
Seconded

dukeboy749r

2,539 posts

209 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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rudester said:
55%, a "vast majority" !!!
See 'Brexit'

PhilboSE

4,323 posts

225 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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Vocht said:
PhilboSE said:
Just a shocking article. Poorly written, sad old tropes, full of cliches. I reckon I've been driving far longer than the moron who wrote this piece (because it reads like it was written by a 20 year old) and I've never come across an "oily ice rink" at a petrol station.

As for not buying an SQ7 because the Porsche is a better drive, what a fking stupid statement. What if you value the other attributes of the SQ7 more?
Somebody woke up on the wrong side of their bed this morning....
Nah, I was fine until I read this load of bks. The standard of writing and proof reading for the articles on PH has become really poor.

Onehp

1,617 posts

282 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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It's a V8 biturbo... without sparkplugs.

Too bad they didn't make it as a 5 seater Sport Turismo, now the 4 seats limits its use as a enthusiast family man proposal. The SQ7 is much more practical then, and it adds an electrically driven supercharger. Not too bad in the twisties either for a massive SUV: https://youtu.be/JP7MuY9bqEk


Jim the Sunderer

3,238 posts

181 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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tim-jxv5n

238 posts

95 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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bangerturner said:
Johnspex said:
kambites said:
ThunderSpook said:
I love the fact that PistonHeads actively supports every driver no matter if they drive a super car or a st heap, big cars, small cars, anything, as long as it’s not diesel. Apparently us diesel drivers are not welcome.
Nah, not all of us hate you...

... some of us just think you're misguided and need help. biggrin
That's not true at all. You are welcome as a diesel driver, you're not welcome because you say us when you should say we. " we diesel drivers"
Seconded
Gimps!!

je777

341 posts

103 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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The idea of spending 70 grand on a car that saves you money on fuel (whilst being worse for the environment, and particularly humans - which I learned about diesel in the late '80s in school chemistry, so everyone knew) is truly ludicrous.
Unless you have some sort of fuel station phobia there is no reason to buy a diesel Porsche.

WCZ

10,492 posts

193 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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je777 said:
The idea of spending 70 grand on a car that saves you money on fuel (whilst being worse for the environment, and particularly humans - which I learned about diesel in the late '80s in school chemistry, so everyone knew) is truly ludicrous.
Unless you have some sort of fuel station phobia there is no reason to buy a diesel Porsche.
company car fuel policies is the only reason you'd ever buy this car.

complete false economics

donteatpeople

831 posts

273 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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PistonHeads said:
a V6 diesel engine was introduced to the Mk1 Cayenne to create the first Porsche fed by the devil’s pump.
The first?


rtz62

3,340 posts

154 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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Not defending Porsche or diesels, but I wonder if the world-first technology invented by Loughborough University called ACCT would alter views on diesels and their 'demonisation'?
From my understanding, and a quick reading of the research papers, it would appear that it makes diesel engines less harmful to the environment and our bodies than petrol.

Personally, i drive a diseasel at the moment, based on the mileage i had to do up until July (end of Primary School for my youngest).
My kids now go to skool (sic) around a mile down the road, so once I've dropped them off and gone to the gym my morning return commute is 9 miles as opposed to nearly 20.

Come January I'll be parking my bum in a Seat Leon FR ST or Cupra petrol, based on my reduced mileage. The flip side is that it will be a 'better' drive on a Sunday morning compared to the diesel..

As for the Panamanamanera, Id happily take the diesel or petrol, but short of finding a heck of a lot of lost change down the back of our settee, ownership prospects remain as likely as me waking up next to Shania Twain....

mik_jg

96 posts

188 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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I'd love that car. It's just about perfect for me, right down to the colour. Fast and easy enough on fuel

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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I wonder how many people slagging off the Panamera diesel have actually driven one.

They're really very, very good and a decent option if you can't stomach the MPG/CO2 output of the petrol versions. It's not like it's a sports car, it's a honking great big grand tourer.

Gorbyrev

1,160 posts

153 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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je777 said:
The idea of spending 70 grand on a car that saves you money on fuel (whilst being worse for the environment, and particularly humans - which I learned about diesel in the late '80s in school chemistry, so everyone knew) is truly ludicrous.
Unless you have some sort of fuel station phobia there is no reason to buy a diesel Porsche.
Missing the point a little. What economy gives you is range. If you can so 800 miles between fill ups it makes a big difference. According to Harry Metcalf's review a lot of supercar owner have a diesel Panamera as a daily. Refined, good to drive and a big range with sub 5 sec to 60. It is a special thing.