RE: Shed of the Week: Alfa Romeo GTV Twin Spark

RE: Shed of the Week: Alfa Romeo GTV Twin Spark

Friday 28th September 2018

Shed of the Week: Alfa Romeo GTV Twin Spark

You only need look at V6 prices to see GTVs are in demand - here's why the Twin Spark could follow



A few years back Shed mentioned that his lovely wife liked Italy in general, and Venice in particular, and that she could think of nothing finer than being taken up the Grand Canal by a big gondolier.

Shed regrets saying that now, but the Shed family's love for Italian motors is genuine enough. This week's offering is an intriguing example of the genre: an Alfa GTV Twin Spark Coupé, with low miles and no obvious issues.

Nerd fact: you could, in some LHD markets, get a turbocharged V6 version of the GTV. For us Brits though the GTV choice was between the 217hp 3.0 Busso V6 (which delivered a 155mph top end and a 0-60 of 6.6sec) and the 148hp Twin Spark. Naturally, the 1,415kg Busso car was the one to have if aural drama was your ting and you weren't that bothered about the lack of a standard limited-slip diff or a wandery front end.


If you can hack a four-pot, however, our fizzing 1,370kg, 0-60 in 8.0sec, 130mph Twin Spark - built on the Fiat Tipo platform and chassis-benchmarked against the Lotus Elan M100, no less - will provide more than enough performance for British roads. It really sings above 4,000rpm, and the gearlever is good to twiddle. Although it's not as smooth a GT-type cruiser as the Busso, the TS is also a lot less prone to wasteful understeer. Look under the bonnet of a TS and then a V6 and you'll be amazed at the difference in engine positioning. It looks natural in the TS, but way too far forward in the V6.

Next, we need to address the not so small matter of cost differential between six and four. You won't be seeing a Busso in SOTW even under our newly inflated '£1,500 maximum' regime. Absolute snotters rarely dip below £2k, and you could easily find yourself looking at £8k for a concours 3.0. Good-to-concours examples of the TS, on the other hand, are a relative bargain at somewhere between £2,000 and £3,000 - and surely we must be at the bottom of the depreciation curve on these now. It's a Pininfarina design, and a good one too, so that must be worth something.

It is an Alfa, though. That obviously means much despair and disaster, with a side order of woe betide the poor fool who takes this one on. Thing is, though, that these GTVs really aren't that horrific.


On the bodywork side, they're known for picking up stone chips and the floors, though decently rustproofed at the factory, will eventually perforate. The suspension arms give out, but our Shed has been spruced up with some Eibach gear so you'd like to think it's OK in that department.

The Twin Spark engine has been around for a while, the light alloy block and 8-valve head design first seeing action in the 1986 Alfa 75. Later motors like this one in our Shed had an iron block, alloy head and cams driven by a belt that Alfa confidently stated had a 72,000-mile service life. In 2006 they sort of admitted that maybe 36,000 miles would be better. Owners who know what's good for them actually change the belts at 24,000 miles. Odd dieselly noises may be telling you that the cam variator is on its way out too. Keep an eye on the oil, as the TS can use a bit. Mass air flow sensors will give away their frailty by taking the edge off the acceleration. Electrics are not going to be perfect, but then you could say that about any 20 year-old car.

The GTV's 1980s design means that lanky types will need to check their legs in at the gate before proceeding into the cabin, and if you're expecting oily-smooth battleship-quality switchgear then you've caught the wrong plane altogether. But if you fit inside and you enjoy the clack of plastic then you'll also enjoy a GTV.


This particular GTV seems like a good 'un. Other than a leaky exhaust in 2006, a couple of advisories for cracking front brake flexi hoses and worn subframe bushes in 2007 and a high headlamp beam in 2009, the MOT history over the last 12 years has been completely spotless - unusual for any car of this age, let alone an Alfa. Having said that, it does appear to have been put into storage for six years from 2009, but before then it was covering fewer than 2,000 miles per annum. Whoever Annum is.

With a full service history, a spare set of Spider wheels and the possibility of value growth going forward, our Shed's £1,500 price is starting to look anything but high. Especially when you realise that a lot of scruffy Twin Sparks have been or are in the process of being scrapped. Buy this unscruffy one and then go around spraying salt water underneath every other one you see. In no time at all your investment will come home to roost in a most satisfying manner.

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legalknievel

Original Poster:

352 posts

197 months

Friday 28th September 2018
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Is it still rank immaturity to want to comment first on the shed?

dinkel

26,939 posts

258 months

Friday 28th September 2018
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Haha, no...

A 916 is a hidden gem if you find a proper one. And if not: it takes 2-4k to sort one out and make it up to spec. And please keep what you have then. The TS sings a nice song and on chat - between 4 and 7 - it goes VTEC-like but then with proper torque. Pick you 5 box with care though. They should be smooth.

mrpenks

368 posts

155 months

Friday 28th September 2018
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These are lovely cars - I ran 3 TS Spiders and a V6 Gtv. All felt special and the TS sounds awesome, not far off the V6 to be honest. Not straight line fast but very capable in the twists.

This one looks a bit too ‘modified’ with non standard exhaust, pedal covers, painted rocker cover and painted silver inside (that came on phase 2 models).

People normally write them off without trying them though - shame but keeps prices nice and low for those in the know!

Edited by mrpenks on Friday 28th September 07:38


Edited by mrpenks on Saturday 29th September 07:36

Cambs_Stuart

2,868 posts

84 months

Friday 28th September 2018
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My word that's tempting. If I sell my legacy I'd have to be very strong not to go and see it...

PSB1967

281 posts

156 months

Friday 28th September 2018
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legalknievel said:
Is it still rank immaturity to want to comment first on the shed?
Absolutely, well played Sir!

Much better shedding this week. As contributor number 2 suggests this could be a gem or take all available remaining fun tokens off you. A true risk / reward motor.

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

234 months

Friday 28th September 2018
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Great car! I have been running a 2.0TS 147 as a runaround for 2.5 years and it has been great.

I did get the belts done but it has been perfectly reliable and really good fun to drive. It is an agile little thing and despite its lowly value, a fun driver's car.

court

1,487 posts

216 months

Friday 28th September 2018
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SidewaysSi said:
Great car! I have been running a 2.0TS 147 as a runaround for 2.5 years and it has been great.

I did get the belts done but it has been perfectly reliable and really good fun to drive. It is an agile little thing and despite its lowly value, a fun driver's car.
You've got me thinking about 147s again. Had one new in 2003 and loved it. This is as good a base as any for less than a bag of sand - https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201... 3dr in black with tan and new belt/water pump.

greenarrow

3,589 posts

117 months

Friday 28th September 2018
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Much better shed this week....these still look really great 20 years on. I haven't seem one for ages so they must be destined for classic status along with the other Alfas. I've an old Car Magazine at home from 1996 where the GTV took part in a big track test at Thruxton. Did pretty well. Just a couple of tenths down on the always impressive Pug 106GTi, similar time to a BMW 528i and quicker on the day than a GTI-6...so they seem to handle well for a fairly lardy (for 1996) day) 2 litre coupe.

waynedear

2,174 posts

167 months

Friday 28th September 2018
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I have had 9 gtv/spiders, I would only have that if the standard interior parts were with it, there is no mention of the belts being done, twinspark prices are all over the place.

rodericb

6,736 posts

126 months

Friday 28th September 2018
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shed said:
Nerd fact: you could, in some LHD markets, get a turbocharged V6 version of the GTV.
Which was a two litre V6!

Paddy78

208 posts

146 months

Friday 28th September 2018
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This screams of being one of the most frustrating and expensive purchases you'd ever make, but my god, you wouldn't mind looking at it on the drive! These just seem to get better and better with age to my eyes. Stunning SotW.

Edited by Paddy78 on Friday 28th September 09:00

VitorioVeloce

4,296 posts

143 months

Friday 28th September 2018
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I still really want one of these, been lusting after them for just about 10 years now. Having kids these days means that it would only be usefull as a second car, which at the moment is a bit ridiculous... Still, it is to me much more of a proper Alfa coupe then the GT and Brera which followed, and a well sorted twinspark is a lovely engine, probably my favorite 4 cilinder.

To the people discussing 147s, go get one, they are dirt cheap, and if you find a good one (and can take care of minor foibles yourself) low cost to run. I had a 1.6 147 for two years, great drivers car as said before and aside from a dead battery never left me standing.

JamesMK

556 posts

251 months

Friday 28th September 2018
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I bought one for £1,300 three years ago.

Immediately spent that much again on it and spend the same on maintenance every year, but I like it more and more as time goes by.

RicksAlfas

13,394 posts

244 months

Friday 28th September 2018
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mrpenks said:
This one looks a bit too ‘modified’ with non standard exhaust, pedal covers, painted rocker cover and painted silver inside (that came on phase 2 models).
And a whopping front spoiler too! eek

Anorak note - these are 150 or 155bhp. The 148bhp is from the earlier 8 valve Twin Spark which has nothing in common with this engine other than the name.

Faffmeister

23 posts

105 months

Friday 28th September 2018
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I had one from new just after they came out. 3years and 100k and hardly a problem. Was fab as long you closed your eyes re practicality, non existent boot, rear seats ........ The dealers though, don't ask!

Mound Dawg

1,915 posts

174 months

Friday 28th September 2018
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Good cars. One of my pals has one that he bought for £400 as a cheap trackslag. Performance is similar to my 75 Twinspark so we enjoy chasing each other around. There's very little in it apart from corner exits where the 75s rear mounted transaxle and limited slip diff launches it away whilst the GTV tends to wash out a bit. He's got a Quaife diff for it that should sort that out though.




forzaminardi

2,290 posts

187 months

Friday 28th September 2018
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Did Twinsparks have two exhausts as standard? I seem to recall only the V6s having twin pipes.

waynedear

2,174 posts

167 months

Friday 28th September 2018
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RicksAlfas said:
And a whopping front spoiler too! eek

Anorak note - these are 150 or 155bhp. The 148bhp is from the earlier 8 valve Twin Spark which has nothing in common with this engine other than the name.
My 2.0 8v twinspark has 144bhp 👍

Edited by waynedear on Friday 28th September 09:44

only1ian

688 posts

194 months

Friday 28th September 2018
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Looks like a tasty razigon exhaust on it too! Someone’s spent money on that car. Had a Y plate TS in grey. Was my first sporty car at 23! Likes oil the Alfa Selina Raving oil was expensive but seemed to need topping up much less. Watching people figure out how to get in was amusing, constantly resetting the air bag warning light wasn’t! If you adjust the seat too quickly it disconnects the airbag microswitch under the seat.

waynedear

2,174 posts

167 months

Friday 28th September 2018
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forzaminardi said:
Did Twinsparks have two exhausts as standard? I seem to recall only the V6s having twin pipes.
Twinny and V6 are single side exit