RE: Lotus Elise S1: Spotted

RE: Lotus Elise S1: Spotted

Monday 1st October 2018

Lotus Elise S1: Spotted

A weekend spent celebrating 70 with Lotus was only going to end one way...



Lotus's 70th anniversary celebrations culminated at Hethel over the weekend, and what a joyous occasion it was. Hundreds and hundreds of cars, just as many owners, and a real sense of pride and optimism that comes from so many people sharing a common automotive passion. No doubt Geely's recent cash injection has helped the feeling of positivity, too...

Anyway, amongst a collection of fabulous Norfolk sports cars, it was the Series 1 Elises in attendance that lingered most fondly in the memory. Or rather, the S1 Elises and their various derivatives, what with a few 340Rs and Exiges also gracing the Hethel tarmac. Some would probably argue that 'various derivatives' extends even to the current line up, given how the architecture has evolved - but it was those earliest and prettiest Elises that really stole the show.


For something designed in the early 1990s, the Elise still looks really contemporary. Moreover, the obsession with saving weight a quarter of a century ago looks remarkably prescient now given the industry's focus on lower mass for higher efficiency. Light cars are both faster and more frugal, a mantra that of course has underpinned Lotus for a very long time - making the idea behind the Elise even more trendy 20 years after its launch.

As must have been mentioned before, the significance of the Elise to Lotus cannot be over exaggerated. Given that status, its sweet good looks, otherworldly dynamics and passing years, it's no surprise that values have been creeping up. We've discussed the Exige previously, but now an S1 Elise can be anything up to £40k; there's a host of cars at £20,000 and above, plus certain special editions - very desirable ones, admittedly - approaching £30,000.


Therefore, to see a very early, very nice S1 Elise lurking at £15,000 looks devilishly tempting. A 1996 car (i.e. the very first year of production), the Elise has been owned by the present keeper for 18 years and covered 63,000 miles in its two and a bit decades. Enough to mean it's not tremendously expensive, but also still low enough to mean the next owner can enjoy adding a few more. It has the Metal Matrix Composite brakes that only very few Elises have, isn't due another cambelt for a little while and will be sold with a new MOT and fresh service. October may not be the typical time to purchase a pared-back sports car, but then that also means it's not the typical time to sell one - perhaps it might be easier to secure a deal than in a few months time.

So while there are a few cheaper Elises (and plenty more expensive ones), this car's combination of price, spec, provenance and mileage make it perhaps the most appealing of the lot. In the brave new Geely world - indeed in a 2018 automotive world - it seems hard to imagine a 723kg sports car saving a company's fortunes all over again. The Elise is significant because it was brilliant, and now looks like the perfect time to see just what all the fuss has been about.


SPECIFICATION - LOTUS ELISE S1

Engine: 1,796cc, 4-cyl
Transmission: 5-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 120@5,500rpm 
Torque (lb ft): 122@3,000rpm
MPG: 39.4 (What Car? combined test mpg)
CO2: N/A
First registered: 1996
Recorded mileage: 63,000
Price new: £20,415
Yours for: £14,995

See the original advert here.





 

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Nerdherder

Original Poster:

1,773 posts

97 months

Monday 1st October 2018
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Looks, (a certain kind of) performance and appreciating. What's not to like?

RatLad

266 posts

213 months

Monday 1st October 2018
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£41k for that sport 190? Seems like they are chancing their arm a bit, but it is rare and can only help the values of lesser models like my 111s. £9k seems like a bargain now.

kambites

67,556 posts

221 months

Monday 1st October 2018
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One has to imagine that an unmodified original MMC car is going to end up worth a fair bit in the end.

Sion111R

311 posts

92 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2018
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Gratuitous photo attached. I am at the front. My unmodified (MMC) S1 will be back on the track later this month! Brilliant car and the MMC brakes are excellent.

blearyeyedboy

6,290 posts

179 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2018
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All Mark 1 Elises make me smile.

I'm a little sad that such a feature has gathered so few comments though, while people foam at the mouth over a new BMW 3 series.

CABC

5,575 posts

101 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2018
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blearyeyedboy said:
All Mark 1 Elises make me smile.

I'm a little sad that such a feature has gathered so few comments though, while people foam at the mouth over a new BMW 3 series.
The real sadness is that ph is no longer a driver's site. Many people still appreciate good cars as much as ever but enthusiasts have moved away from ph. Chatting away at Goodwood events and track days you'll find ph regulars are few and far between. Yes, everyone knows the site, but guys who have driver's cars and can drive tend to be dismissive of ph. I'm still here, but as you say, when the best sports car of the last 20 years gets so little comment I wonder why.

skylarking808

799 posts

86 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2018
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I like old BMW 3 series cars and the early Lotus Elise plus just commented on the other thread so does that count?
It was no great "love in" on that thread by the way.

Not seen one in this colour before..... suits it.

I think the purity of the drive will always make this a fave car for many. Your right to feel a little sad though. These cars are such a modern classic and represent a lot of what Piston Heads is about to me.Tiny, nimble, light and fun, although you may prefer a three series BMW on a long motorway journey - but you would be taking the back roads if you had any sense wink

MJK 24

5,648 posts

236 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2018
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Brilliant little cars.

Blayney

2,948 posts

186 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2018
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I always lusted after the S2 in magnetic blue 111r spec.

Last weekend at the brilliant cowbridge cars and coffee there was an s1 in scandal green.

Now I'm torn.

bencollins4

1,099 posts

206 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2018
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I finally got back in an S1 after a 10 year break from them. I found a Sport 135 and find it absolutely superb as a road car. For country lanes it has all the power you need to have fun without having to do silly speeds.

Complete opposite to most modern performance cars which are much faster but do it so effortlessly that most of the joy is removed. My ex M135i is one example.

I kind of expected getting another S1 to be a disappointment given the (faster) cars I've owned since but not a bit of it. Ok, so the gear change is still rubbish but the steering feel, handling balance and responsiveness to throttle and brake inputs is superb. The close ratio box with the circa 145bhp feels great too.

Filled it up the other day after a few enthusiastic commutes - 45 mpg! Still think they look great on the road and dare I say it, are a bit of a bargain at the moment even at current values.

Matty3

1,177 posts

84 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2018
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S1 Elise - the most complete sportscar I have ever owned. - used for 8 years as my daily commute and trackdays what a hoot smile

It set the benchmark for handling 20 years ago - why today's PH Ariel Atom article even pays homage to it...

Shnozz

27,473 posts

271 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2018
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kambites said:
One has to imagine that an unmodified original MMC car is going to end up worth a fair bit in the end.
No doubt. But it will be a sad day when such a car is locked away unused as an investment when they can handle 100k miles+ with little to go wrong, and anything that does go wrong costing so little to repair/replace.

James_B

12,642 posts

257 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2018
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blearyeyedboy said:
All Mark 1 Elises make me smile.

I'm a little sad that such a feature has gathered so few comments though, while people foam at the mouth over a new BMW 3 series.
I had two S1Elises, à base model and a Sport 135, and nothing else that I’ve driven since has ever come close.

I drive an R8 Plus now, and while I love the speed it doesn’t come close to an Elise as a sports car.

It’s still the standard that I judge everything else by; how close to an Elise is the handling while still doing the other things that I need a “normal” car to do.

I’ve not driven any of the Ferraris of the last few years, do they feel close.

James_B

12,642 posts

257 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2018
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Shnozz said:
No doubt. But it will be a sad day when such a car is locked away unused as an investment when they can handle 100k miles+ with little to go wrong, and anything that does go wrong costing so little to repair/replace.
I must admit, that was never my experience. Normal use knocked the geometry out, and all manner of things rusted, snapped, or fell off.

The buyer of my first one turned up with his wife to head off for a weekend away, and opening the boot he pulled the handle right off revealing a rotted through cable. Headers, brake pipes, electrics, all let me down, and the dreaded soggy clutch caused by running the pipes alongside the coolant lead to more than one trip up North needing to be done without ever coming to a standstill.

Shnozz

27,473 posts

271 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2018
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James_B said:
Shnozz said:
No doubt. But it will be a sad day when such a car is locked away unused as an investment when they can handle 100k miles+ with little to go wrong, and anything that does go wrong costing so little to repair/replace.
I must admit, that was never my experience. Normal use knocked the geometry out, and all manner of things rusted, snapped, or fell off.

The buyer of my first one turned up with his wife to head off for a weekend away, and opening the boot he pulled the handle right off revealing a rotted through cable. Headers, brake pipes, electrics, all let me down, and the dreaded soggy clutch caused by running the pipes alongside the coolant lead to more than one trip up North needing to be done without ever coming to a standstill.
I had mixed experiences to be fair. I spent premium money on a coveted S1 Elise that had done very few miles and encountered a lot of the issues you refer to. A lot of things had just worn out by lack of use and it cost me thousands and hours of time getting it sorted. It changed my mindset on paying more for low mileage garage queens and my S2 Elise, Exige (and Aston for that matter) all had plenty of miles on them and I paid less for them as a result. In the reliability stakes, all proved far better with creases ironed out.

blearyeyedboy

6,290 posts

179 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2018
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Shnozz said:
my S2 Elise, Exige (and Aston for that matter) all had plenty of miles on them and I paid less for them as a result. In the reliability stakes, all proved far better with creases ironed out.
Interesting thought, and one I'll remember. Thank you.

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

234 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2018
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I have had my S1 Sport 160 for 5 years and I think they are truly superb as a driver's car. Able to be used everyday and parkable with doors and windows, unlike a Caterham etc.

Loads of feel, very easy to slide and catch and on road a truly immersive experience.

I have recently done a lot of modifications to mine to make it more focused, including ultra close ratio gearing and an LSD but for the money, there is nothing to touch them IMO.

Far more fun than cars costing 10 times as much. And the main reason I sold my Cayman GT4 - the Lotus destroyed it as a fun machine.

jnoiles

78 posts

156 months

Friday 5th October 2018
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8 years in my S1 now. Use it for commuting and fun stuff. It's been a mixed bag. Commuting takes its toll on sill pockets, seat upholstery, arb brackets (f*cking speed bumps) and window rattles. My Kingdom for 6 months with rattle free windows. Other stuff not so much. Clutches, bearings etc last for ages.

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

234 months

Friday 5th October 2018
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PH really is an odd place and I do wonder whether many people actually enjoy driving here.

An article about one of the seminal drivers cars in the last 25 years and no really really gives a st.

But to be fair its infotainment is a bit crap. And the quality of plastics are not as good as that in a S3.

johnwilliams77

8,308 posts

103 months

Friday 5th October 2018
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This
There are a few threads recently where lotus have been mentioned and the posters have went 'ohhh no, couldn't live with that' or 'lots of trouble usually serious'....!