RE: The Long Goodbye: VW Golf GTD

RE: The Long Goodbye: VW Golf GTD

Monday 29th October 2018

The Long Goodbye: VW Golf GTD

The GTD has been around for nearly 40 years. It won't be around for 40 more



You can't buy a Golf GTD at the moment. Or rather you can't order one. The model is a victim of the more stringent WLTP standards, and, to a lesser extent, the fallout from Dieselgate. Volkswagen will wait for the Mk8 to reintroduce a Golf with a more powerful oil-burner - a not inconvenient delay when you consider the amount of dust there is left to settle.

The model's abrupt relocation to the back-burner is symptomatic of the wider backlash against diesel. Not so very long ago it could claim to be one of the most popular variants of one of the most popular hatchbacks in the country. Its meteoric rise to favoured status - much like its recent downfall - mirrored the dramatic escalation of the diesel-powered car market in Europe. But it was not a new idea.

Volkswagen first presented the GTD formula to the public in 1982, and its appeal hardly needed explaining to the domestic market: the combination of GTI packaging and chassis mods with a turbocharged 1.6-litre diesel engine made perfect sense to anyone with a lot of Autobahn to cover. The Mk1 variant had rather less outright power than the contemporary GTI, but almost as much torque, and would crack 100mph with a fair wind.

A Mk2 followed, and a Mk3, but the UK derv market a the time was deemed too shallow to bother importing the idea of a go-faster badge. It deepened in subsequent years, although the Mk4 and 5 still loitered under the 'GT' designation in diesel format. The rebirth finally came in 2009 with the Mk6 and a distinct 170hp 2.0-litre unit that furnished the GTD with the same 258lb ft of torque that Golf R owners were privy to.


Unsurprisingly, this proved manna from heaven for a generation of business users enthralled with the idea of getting maximum forward bang for the lowest CO2 buck. By 2012, its follow-up, the outgoing Mk7, delivered 184hp and 280lb ft of twist from 1,750rpm and was only a second slower to 62mph than the more powerful (but less torquey) GTI, even as it promised 60.1mpg combined economy and lowly 124g/km emissions.

Of course that was graded on the NEDC cycle, and therefore about as relevant to the real world as a Seurat painting is to a Sunday afternoon - but this did not dilute the core message: have it all, for longer and for less. Alongside the closely related Skoda Octavia vRS, the premium-priced GTD was custom-built to hoover up sales from anyone impervious to the charm of a BMW 320d or else fed up with the dirge of a mainstream three-box saloon.

Naturally its success was part founded on the notion of edgier performance, though the idea didn't necessarily earn it much respect among diehard hot hatch fans. When all was said and done, the diesel engine remained - a lesser, dirtier and drabber thing than any one of half a dozen petrol-powered units available elsewhere. The GTD could move you along fast enough, sure - but move you? Spiritually and emotionally? No. It is intended to stir common sense, not the soul.

Consequently, the 2.0-litre motor beneath - a derivative of the stock EA189 unit slap bang at the centre of the Dieselgate scandal - has always been halfway between hero and villain. Back in the 'not so long ago', a no lesser figure than Mike Cross, Jaguar's Chief Engineer, told PH that he'd driven a current Golf GTD for reasons not connected to work and thought it exceptionally good. And, if you play to its strengths, it's easy enough to see what he was talking about.


Like, for example, if you need to drive from Reigate in Surrey to Innsbruck in Austria. In one sitting. And then come back again. Being able to do 750km to a tank is a useful commodity against such a large backdrop; Innsbruck being (roughly speaking) about 1,100km from Calais. Which means you fill up once. Which is pleasing. Doubly so when your plan B is a Hyundai i30 N which, to date, has struggled to muster more than 35mpg.

The Golf, through France and Belgium at a respectful 130km/h, nudges 52mpg. And even with Germany traversed at German speeds, the trip computer claims 47.1mpg for the outward journey. Return? With French tolls suffered all the way from Strasbourg, 49.8mpg. The cost? A large McDonalds bill less than €200 in fuel. About the same as EasyJet quoted for two return tickets.

The physical cost? Negligible. Sure, a Range Rover or Mercedes S Class would have compressed the journey further still, but from the B or C segment where most of Britain buys its cars nothing rivals the nice-to-sit-in, nice-to-interact-with and nice-to-drive niceness of a high spec Golf - especially one that exudes Golfyness with its GTI clone look and feel. The GTD's idiosyncrasies are not all skin deep either; on 18-inch wheels (and the optional adaptive dampers) it rides with same the assured, plush response that you only find in performance derivatives of the Mk7.

Then there is that engine. Guilty of way too much D and too little GT from a standing start - where the modest cylinder count is betrayed by a rattling inadequacy at low revs - it threatens to underwhelm even generous assessment before livening up considerably at the turbocharger's insistence. From there it's the industrious mid range, and the torque delivery that comes with it, which provides the kind of easily-won shove that makes a rule-bending common-rail oil burner so easy to live with.


More often than not, it feels neither fast or slow. The GTD is endowed instead with an oily sort of expediency, one that never quite pins the ears back or quickens the pulse, but leaves you no time to dwell on either drawback because it's thrusting you so relentlessly onward. And because it's all hooked up to the running gear of the world's most accommodating hot hatch, you drive virtually everywhere in a perpetual state of brisk - which, in the real world, more often than not, is just dandy.

In fact, the GTD requires so little of your effort, money or attention - and fills out the outside lane of a derestricted Autobahn so convincingly - that before long you think less on its merits than you do on the inevitability of its passing. Any way you cut it, there can't be too long left on the life span of the go-faster diesel hatchback - the concept already seems mildly anachronistic in the second half of 2018, and there's plenty worse to come.

Perhaps that's no great loss. It always was not quite one thing or the other. But the concept was no more half baked than the petrol-electric hybrids that will likely replace it down the road. Moreover, it - and several other cars like it - did at least pull off one legitimate GTI-style trick: they successfully repackaged and democratised some of the performance from the diesel-drinking class above.

The GTD is obviously not quite the smooth-talking, all-singing six-cylinder Exocet that a BMW 335d is - but it at least delivers a passable lower cost version of the same distance conquering abilities, and does so in a way that doesn't seem drastically less desirable from behind the wheel. Insufficient for the legendary status afforded its petrol-powered sibling, maybe, and certainly less thrilling - but significant enough nevertheless for us to salute the Mk7 variant as it sails somewhat ignominiously out of existence.

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E65Ross

Original Poster:

35,078 posts

212 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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I wonder what the future holds for diesels, I'm not sure on their current sales figures, but you still see the majority of new cars today are still diesel lumps.

wab172uk

2,005 posts

227 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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I got sucked into the whole Diesel is better thing (pushed by Labour) back in the day, and went from a very thirsty Subaru Impreza STI to a MK5 Golf GT-Sport 170 TDI.

Back then I was quite impressed with the amount of surge you got from it, though it would very quickly run out of puff. It handled reasonably well to be chucked about, too.A few petrol engines later, I tried a MK7 GTD along side a GTI Performance. Taking away the engines, compared to the GTI, the GTD felt soft and wollowy to the much stiffer and alert GTI.

While I won't buy another diesel again, as I don't do big miles, it will be a shame if VW kill off the GTD for good. For those who do drive big miles every year, it was a good car at what it did.

But I guess as the future looks like petrol / Hybrid propulsion from now on, the Diesel engines days must be numbered.

Pica-Pica

13,788 posts

84 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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wab172uk said:
I got sucked into the whole Diesel is better thing (pushed by Labour) back in the day, and went from a very thirsty Subaru Impreza STI to a MK5 Golf GT-Sport 170 TDI.

Back then I was quite impressed with the amount of surge you got from it, though it would very quickly run out of puff. It handled reasonably well to be chucked about, too.A few petrol engines later, I tried a MK7 GTD along side a GTI Performance. Taking away the engines, compared to the GTI, the GTD felt soft and wollowy to the much stiffer and alert GTI.

While I won't buy another diesel again, as I don't do big miles, it will be a shame if VW kill off the GTD for good. For those who do drive big miles every year, it was a good car at what it did.

But I guess as the future looks like petrol / Hybrid propulsion from now on, the Diesel engines days must be numbered.
Or hydrogen?

robinh73

921 posts

200 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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It is a shame as I thought the GTD was a great car for what it was. While I have never owned one, I did look at one to replace my 15 plate Civic diesel as my next company car. However, I decided to opt for a petrol engined Seat leon 1.4FR thingy and it is superb. The fuel ecnomy isn't as good but I am still genuinely surprised how good the engine is in terms of torque. It almost has the best of both worlds, diesel type torque and petrol-esque power delivery. Maybe with petrol engines advancing so much to cope with emissions, power and economy, the diesel engine days are getting numbered even quicker?

V88Dicky

7,305 posts

183 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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The three nearest garages to me are currently selling petrol at 7p per litre cheaper than diesel.

Combine that with the fact that new cars are essentially all the same to tax, and you have to be pretty committed to purchase a new diesel.

Or cover vast mileages per year of course.

f1nn

2,693 posts

192 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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I ran a late 2014 GTD for 24000miles over 14 months before I traded it in August.

It was a great car, doing everything well.

The Diesel engine was my least favourite bit, as effective as it was, it was relatively unrefined, but I was coming from 6 cylinder BMW motors as a reference so maybe a little unfair.


Ben_W

10 posts

72 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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I run a Mk7.5 GTD as my company car.

I've been really impressed with it, in the main. I opted for the DSG version as I'm doing 35k+ miles a year, mostly motorway driving. It just works so well with the active cruise control.

The engine can be a little agricultural, especially at start up and idle but that's not an issue for me. For a modern diesel, I'm surprised at its oil useage (approx 1ltr roughly every 7k miles) but talking to other owners, this seems to be the norm for this engine.

Economy is excellent. Granted, most of the time mine is spent sat in the motorway at circa 70-75mph. I commute to Worcester and back every day from South Leicestershire, so a 125 mile round trip. I can see between 65-70mpg if I try, long term average works out at between 52-53mpg, which I don't think is bad at all.

The factory fit Bridgestone Potenza S002's are awful. Noisy and lacking grip even in the dry, they are a liability in the wet and just cannot cope with the torque. I've since had the fronts changed to Michelin Primacy 4's and they are much better. Quieter with far more grip, especially in the wet.

The multimedia system and the active display dash is excellent. The option to have the satnav display on the dash between the dials is excellent, as is the ability to connect two mobile phones as once, which is massively handy when you carry a well and a personal phone. My only gripes are that if you read a traffic announcement on the main mm screen, it takes the map away from the dash and replaces with an arrow until you close the announcement and, as I discovered this weekend, for a complex, capable modern system, you still have to change the clocks manually.....still, small gripes in the grand scheme of things.

Otherwise, it's a fabulous car. Quick, quiet, refined, loaded with tech as std and it works really well for us a family car too. Boot perhaps could be a little bigger but it's not been an issue. The only options I spec'd over std were keyless entry, heated front screen and the extra rear tinting. I chose White Silver which is a lovely pearlescent colour. Flipping between white and grey and in sometimes, a very very light blue, it never looks the same colour twice.

phil4

1,215 posts

238 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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I drove a 2014 GTD for 3 years and 45,000 miles. It was DSG, had adaptive suspension and as per all the Mk7's ACC.

I don't think I'm a particularly high mileage driver, so the pull of diesel efficiency wasn't really there, but as a car it seemed pretty good. Downsides were the diesel clatter at low revs, but once going it had plenty of grunt and the DSG helped with the need to change up sooner. It certainly wasn't ballistic, but would easily pull past most if you gave it some stick.

The ACC made it a great car for the congested commute, and the adaptive suspension meant it could be hard or soft riding as needed.

I've since moved to a Golf R, which is considerably faster... but day to day, in the hum drum commute or the motorway slog... doesn't actually feel that different.

3rd

18 posts

68 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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'when you consider the amount of dust there is left to settle'

Quite literally in the case of a VW diesel wink

LasseV

1,754 posts

133 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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3rd said:
'when you consider the amount of dust there is left to settle'

Quite literally in the case of a VW diesel wink
Top job biggrinbiggrinbiggrin

BogBeast

1,136 posts

263 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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Pica-Pica said:
Or hydrogen?
Will never happen for cars.

rastapasta

1,863 posts

138 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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Nic Cackett, the author, isnt he also the Autocar journalist??


So Is pistonheads now just an outlet for Autocar journo's to vent their spleen about how great VW Golfs and Ford Focus's are??

BogBeast

1,136 posts

263 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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wab172uk said:
I got sucked into the whole Diesel is better thing (pushed by Labour) back in the day...
To be fair I suspect a government of either stripe would have made a similar decision....

Seems to be that any government elected on a periodical basis seems to gravitate to short > medium-term policies that seem 'a good idea at the time'

Matt Bird

1,450 posts

205 months

PH Reportery Lad

Monday 29th October 2018
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rastapasta said:
Nic Cackett, the author, isnt he also the Autocar journalist??


So Is pistonheads now just an outlet for Autocar journo's to vent their spleen about how great VW Golfs and Ford Focus's are??
Nic is definitely with us! He does the odd bit with Autocar - in the same way they do the odd story for us - but he's been Editor here for about a year now.


Matt

Jex

838 posts

128 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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I had a 2004 one for a few years. I remember a colleague had a GTI 30 and we both did trips between Birmingham and Cambridge within a few days of one another. My trip computer said I averaged 50 mpg, his 30 mpg. It was a very capable if somewhat unexciting car until it was ruined by the mis-diagnosis of a fault by VW. They un-necessarily replaced the engine with one with a porous cylinder head so water got into the oil. They wouldn't accept that the fault was their's so I sold it and haven't had a VW since.

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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I had a Mk7 GTD. Cracking car.

findlay_MX

113 posts

198 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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Current hack is a GTD 7.5 estate and, as far as I'm concerned, it ticks a lot of boxes for me. It's just quick enough for my tastes, it's just roomy enough, if I cruise I get silly MPG (compared to the M135 I was running before), the handling is OK, the stereo is good enough (in fact the Apple Car play is great) and it's far from hideous to look at. I don't ever have to wash it or hoover it because it's simply just a tool, as opposed to a truly desirable machine that deserves to be cherished. I can neglect it completely other than servicing and fuelling it. The kids can throw their sweetie wrappers in the back and I care not a jot. Sticky handprints on the rear windows? Meh! A boot full of dog hair, leaves, mud etc? Whatever! Would I be the same in a 335d Touring? Not bloody likely!

I briefly tried a GTE before committing to the GTD and I just didn't like it. Difficult to say why other than the odd experience of the hybrid felt a bit too unusual?

In short, the feature fairly concisely summarises the car that's in no-mans-land and is pretty competent at everything, but really excels at nothing. Maybe that's why it's actually an ideal tool for me to drive daily. Shame it's getting axed, really.

Rickywestcott82

1 posts

75 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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As a mk7 Gti driver achieving a combined 33mpg, and a mk6 gtd driver who achieved a combined 39mpg; I will never revert to diesel. I can still get 46mpg on a run or better if I try harder but the driving experience that petrol provides is so intoxicating I don't think of frugality. Interesting too that the mk8 gti and r variants are rumoured to be including battery technology. Diesels won't be around in 15 years, like leaded petrol disappeared.

WCZ

10,525 posts

194 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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good company cars but make little sense outside of this, extremely expensive for what they are

LasseV

1,754 posts

133 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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BogBeast said:
Will never happen for cars.
It will happen for sure.