RE: Alfa Romeo 159 Sportwagon Q4 V6: Spotted

RE: Alfa Romeo 159 Sportwagon Q4 V6: Spotted

Saturday 3rd November 2018

Alfa Romeo 159 Sportwagon Q4 V6: Spotted

An ex-Fiat UK Alfa 159 Sportwagon with a V6 for £3,500! That's amore



We at PH like most things that originate from Italy, have a great sounding engine and - this is crucial - are inexpensive to buy. So imagine our reaction when we found this rare Alfa Romeo 159 Sportwagon in top-of-the-range Q4 V6 guise. Well, it had us asking management if we could claim it as an expense. Unfortunately, they said no, so we've written this Spotted instead in the hopes that one of you kind readers will buy it and then kindly donate it to us. Did we not say how handsome you're looking today...

So, the 159 Sportwagon. Has there been a better-looking estate? True, the boot is hardly capacious, but then fitting a bigger one would have spoilt its pert rear end. Then there's the front, which is suitably aggressive, and the detailing within the thin chrome grill and six hooded headlamps is exquisite.


Also of excellence up front is the 3.2-litre V6 that's in this one. While many 159s were lumbered with a 1.9-litre diesel for economy reasons, this example is apparently an ex-Fiat UK car, so not only has it got a stonking great V6 but also four-wheel drive. Seeing as Alfa was still focusing on front-wheel drive, this is perhaps a good thing given the torque of a lusty bent six. Just gloss over the weight penalty it brings...

Inside, the interior is both attractive and beautifully simple to use thanks to big chunky buttons and a lack of iDrive/infotainment weirdness. Alfa did have a touchscreen sat nav as an option but, fortunately, this 159 doesn't have one. It'd be terribly outdated today, anyway. Instead, enjoy the black leather interior, aluminium trim and the fuel, water and temperature gauges in stylish sunken pods.


It hasn't even done very many miles either, although, with a low-20s thirst for unleaded, anyone would think twice about taking it out. But, the big elephant in the room is the yearly VED rate. For high polluting cars like this V6 Alfa, it's best to go for one registered before the March 23rd 2006. This is because instead of paying £555 at current prices, you'll have to spend just £315 every year. This one was registered in May. Ouch.

However, you could choose to look at the low £3,500 asking price as a way of compensating for the potentially high running costs. And the seller seems to be an upstanding member of society. Firstly, they bought a V6 Alfa in the first place. Secondly, they listen to Radio 4, and lastly, they're only getting rid of this 159 because a new Giulia is on the way. That's dedication to the cause right there.

So, do the decent thing and buy this Alfa and, if you don't fancy the running costs, we'll look after it for you, we promise.


SPECIFICATION: ALFA ROMEO 159 SPORTWAGON Q4 V6

Engine: 3,195cc, six-cylinder, N/A
Transmission: 6-speed manual, four-wheel drive
Power(hp): 256@6,300rpm
Torque(lb ft): 238@4,500rpm
MPG: 21.4mpg
CO2: 314g/km
First registered: 2006
Recorded mileage: 64,000 miles
Price new: £31,395
Yours for: £3,500

See the full ad here.

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Howrare

Original Poster:

304 posts

206 months

Saturday 3rd November 2018
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Lovely looking, but sadly that's where the fun stops with these. I had a fair amount of time in a press car when they first came out, and the GM V6 is utterly dull, and the package so heavy it never felt remotely fast. Spider was the same.

Big GT

1,808 posts

92 months

Saturday 3rd November 2018
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Howrare said:
Lovely looking, but sadly that's where the fun stops with these. I had a fair amount of time in a press car when they first came out, and the GM V6 is utterly dull, and the package so heavy it never felt remotely fast. Spider was the same.
Maybe but that was with high expectations on a £30K + car then.

It is now £3,500 quid!

MartinRS2K

598 posts

119 months

Saturday 3rd November 2018
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If this car wasn't the other end of the country I would buy it just because it is an Alfa V6 with 4WD.

At that price it could be used through the Winter with no worries and probably not lose any money next Spring.

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 3rd November 2018
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Hate to bring a downer on such a lovely looking Alfa, but timing chains...

The GM sourced (Holden design?) V6 along with the 2.2 JTS Vauxhall-4 unit seem to be plagued by bad design.

Why oh why couldn't they have put the busso in!!

s m

23,222 posts

203 months

Saturday 3rd November 2018
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This is the estate version of the car the baddies used in the opening scenes of the Quantum of Solace chase by the side of Lake Garda.
Quite a heavy thing with all the 4wd gubbins but a lot more affordable way into an Alfa 4wd saloon than that 155 Stradale that was hoping for over £100k recently.
Did anyone bid for it or was it withdrawn?

rtz62

3,366 posts

155 months

Saturday 3rd November 2018
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Funnily enough I followed one of these near Chesterfield a few weeks ago, albeit the 2.4 JTD version.
Lovely looking thing, in fact Id go so far as to say the one I was behind was immaculate, especially as an MOT search revealed it had done 123K.
Not something I would ever want to own, but Im always pleased Alfa plough their own furrow....

Cupramax

10,480 posts

252 months

Saturday 3rd November 2018
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Great apart from the £500+ road tax.

Edit, just checked online and it £555 yearly! sod that.

Edited by Cupramax on Saturday 3rd November 10:51

CharlieAlphaMike

1,137 posts

105 months

Saturday 3rd November 2018
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s m said:
This is the estate version of the car the baddies used in the opening scenes of the Quantum of Solace chase by the side of Lake Garda.
I'm sure those 159's were in 'ti' spec with a Lusso spec version introduced into the market to 'celebrate' the making of the film.

HardtopManual

2,427 posts

166 months

Saturday 3rd November 2018
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It's got the wrong V6 in it.

unsprung

5,467 posts

124 months

Saturday 3rd November 2018
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Salmonofdoubt

1,413 posts

68 months

Saturday 3rd November 2018
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It’s not a busso V6 but how bad can it be? If I could half my weekly commute I’d have this in a heartbeat.

untakenname

4,968 posts

192 months

Saturday 3rd November 2018
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Is this the same 3.2 V6 as used in the Omega/Vectra? If so then it's got quite a lot of grunt if not much top end.
Looks like an enthusiast owned it having uprated suspension and a remap, just a shame it wasn't registered a couple of months earlier as then it would have been half the price for the road tax.

Equus

16,873 posts

101 months

Saturday 3rd November 2018
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I'd notice this before it became a 'spotted'.

My first reaction was that it was bloody good value as a cheap dog-wagon, looked sexy, looked fun...

Then I thought... not the Busso V6 (but like Salmonof doubt said, how bad can it be?)

Then I thought: it's 3 times the cost of my current dogwagon (Saab 9-5 Aero Estate), probably slower (same bhp, but nat. asp. means peakier torque curve and 4WD means more transmission loss), smaller boot and Italian electrics.

So I think I'll stick with the Scandinavian and save myself £2.5K...

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 3rd November 2018
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From my limited knowledge as an owner of a Q4 V6 Ti Spec saloon....

• Timing chains – yes they can be an issue if servicing is neglected. Keep on top of the oil changes, use the right oil and it shouldn't be an issue. Narrow gullies clog up and starve the chain but the right oil keeps things flowing nicely.

• It's not a Busso – they would have sold loads more if it had been. From what I can gather, the block is GM sourced but everything else has been reworked by Alfa. It still has character and loves to rev and even with the factory exhausts it sounds fruity.

• Weight – the 4wd does add weight but from 2008 onwards they managed to lose a few kg.

• Electrics – should be okay, or at least no worse than any other car. The 159 was designed and built to go up against Audi and BMW, so at least Alfa tried a little harder this time.

This is well worth the money, why not add some Italian flair while doing the tip run.

ETA: If you can find one, the 1750 TBi petrol unit is highly regarded, and towards the end of the 159's life they did 2wd 3.2. Both are pretty scarce though.



Edited by DrSteveBrule on Saturday 3rd November 12:17

galaxie5000

31 posts

142 months

Saturday 3rd November 2018
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Had a saloon version of one of these, Black and Tan leather. Generally lovely, despite not being the Busso, makes a nice noise and pulls like a train from low down. Generally reliable, temperature gauge commonly kaput and despite being a cheap part, not fixed as a b*gger to get to. More like 19 mpg in town. However, front subframes rust and are unobtainable as unique to the v6. Bid on the very car in the ad, but checking mot history, subframe rust is an advisory ..

P5BNij

15,875 posts

106 months

Saturday 3rd November 2018
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Very tempting at that price, I have my eye on another V6 SW in Brum at the moment too but the Mrs is leaning towards a Mito or Abarth 500. As I understand it some of the electrical gear is of German origin.

Jimmy Recard

17,540 posts

179 months

Saturday 3rd November 2018
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untakenname said:
Is this the same 3.2 V6 as used in the Omega/Vectra? If so then it's got quite a lot of grunt if not much top end.
No, totally different engine. It's based on the GM High Feature V6 that was the successor to that one.

Like the 2.2 JTS it was derived from a GM unit but has some Alfa Romeo 'modifications' (for instance variable valve timing and GM never offered a 3.2 version so I assume the internals are to Alfa Romeo's specification too). Its closest European relative is the Opel/Saab 2.8 turbo V6 from cars like the Vectra and Insignia VXR

Edited by Jimmy Recard on Saturday 3rd November 14:14

Oilchange

8,460 posts

260 months

Saturday 3rd November 2018
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Lovely looking cars, one of Alfas best in my opinion so pretty.

Daft idea to put anything other than a Busso in but I suspect it's the old Euro emissions thing making them obsolete, tut tut.
And Gordon Browns idea of taxing cars off the road (550 quid) really works, which shows how spiteful the old bd was...

Also, just bought a Mito for my daughter, can tell you about some of the things to look for if that's the way you go...

Chris Type R

8,026 posts

249 months

Saturday 3rd November 2018
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Big GT said:
Maybe but that was with high expectations on a £30K + car then.

It is now £3,500 quid!
The risk of large out of warranty repair bills should also be considered. While my Alfa GT V6 is nice etc, as it ages it does yield the odd bill which makes me question continued ownership.

Chris Type R

8,026 posts

249 months

Saturday 3rd November 2018
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Oilchange said:
Daft idea to put anything other than a Busso in but I suspect it's the old Euro emissions thing making them obsolete, tut tut.
And Gordon Browns idea of taxing cars off the road (550 quid) really works, which shows how spiteful the old bd was...
One of the upsides to a 2005 Busso is that it's 275 or 285 per annum smile It's funny, over the course of 5 years it's not a big chunk of extra money per annum - but the mental hurdle of paying >500pa is quite an effective one.


Edited by Chris Type R on Saturday 3rd November 14:25