RE: Rivian doubles down with 765hp R1S SUV

RE: Rivian doubles down with 765hp R1S SUV

Tuesday 27th November 2018

Rivian doubles down with 765hp R1S SUV

Typical. You wait for one hugely fast off-road capable EV - and then two come along at once



Most car firms like to leave a gap between their new models. But having taken nearly ten years to get going, Rivian is clearly in something of a hurry. Not 24hrs after revealing its first attempt - yesterday's R1T pick-up truck - the startup has unveiled its second: the R1S.

This time around it's an SUV (obvs) and there's good reason for its appearance hot on the heels of its sibling. Firstly, because it's the LA Auto Show tomorrow, where Rivian is doubtless expecting to make a splash, and secondly, because it shows off the flexibility of the manufacturer's 'skateboard' architecture.

Like its pick-up sibling, the R1S uses a four-motor electric drivetrain to produce a combined output of up to 765hp and 826lb ft of torque, enabling a three second 0-60mph time and sub-seven second 0-100mph time. But without the requirement for a flatbed at its rear, the R1S is more compact and has a 25mm shorter wheelbase. While a 5,040mm gap between the axles still leaves it firmly rooted in Range Rover territory, it does at least help the smaller SUV to go further on one charge.


Rivian claims the R1S offers up to 420 miles of range before it needs to pay a visit to the socket, which leaves it 20 miles better off than the pick-up. Of course, that figure is only possible when the SUV uses a range-topping 180kWh battery, but even the entry-level 105kWh and mid-spec 130kWh version offer 240 and 310 miles respectively.

But R1S is also about going off-road. Rivian therefore thinks it's found a niche in the market and it has developed the chassis and four-motor drivetrain with the rough stuff specifically in mind. With drive at each corner there's no need for torque-splitting differentials in Rivian's models, allowing each wheel to work completely independently from the other. The American company thinks this design layout trumps the ability of more complicated mechanical drivetrains attempting to offer the same thing. Which is bold.


Traction is only part of the equation, of course. To ensure robustness on the rough stuff, the R1S and R1T both have flat floors reinforced with carbon fibre and Kevlar to protect their batteries. Evidence of this design's effectiveness comes with five-star crash test safety ratings in the US.

The R1S obviously sacrifices load space with the loss of a flat bed at the back, but it retains a vacant bonnet space as a front boot offering 330 litres of storage space. Rivian says on-road handling is also improved by R1S's low centre of gravity and independent all-wheel drive, suggesting the Porsche Cayenne could be under threat from this new breed of plug-fed SUV in more ways than one.

We won't know for sure until 2021, when the R1S is planned for launch, a year after the R1T reaches roads (Rivian says the models are due in Britain a year after their North American introductions). But for a newcomer company like this, even one that's been quietly working on its models out of the spotlight since 2009, this is shaping up to be one heck of a market entrance.

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GranCab

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Tuesday 27th November 2018
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I suggested this yesterday .... and here it is !

herebebeasties

668 posts

219 months

Tuesday 27th November 2018
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0-100 in seven seconds! Good Lord. Those range figures look awfully impressive if they are to be believed, and although this looks a good deal less aerodynamic than an iPace (no clever bonnet bypass, etc.) it has double the battery capacity, so may well be not far off the mark provided you are fleet of foot. I doubt it will be cheap, but it looks pretty credible. If they can get the quality right, with performance numbers like that and the obvious practicality (frunk!) I can see these doing really well in the market, even if they pitch this at well over Tesla Model S money.

I also really like the clean styling - maybe we're finally going to see a swing back from the over-styled mess that is most new designs these days (looking at you, BMW).

GranCab

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Tuesday 27th November 2018
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16' 6" between the axles .... you sure ?

Fire99

9,844 posts

229 months

Tuesday 27th November 2018
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Jolly good... In an EV / TRON kinda way.. I don't like EV's too much but if you must have one then these look kinda funky..

tr3a

488 posts

227 months

Tuesday 27th November 2018
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How lovely. Overall drag coefficient of a house, but at least the door handles are supremely aerodynamic!

BarcelonaLewis

150 posts

136 months

Tuesday 27th November 2018
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It'd be nice to see some intelligent, original design in an EV. Why does it need to look just like a car with an internal combustion engine? Surely there's no need for a bonnet now? Designing a vehicle from scratch around the technology rather than this effort.

wst

3,494 posts

161 months

Tuesday 27th November 2018
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I'm curious about the technology the motors use. I might be dreaming about an offroad vehicle with stepper motors though, so it can inch forward in ridiculous conditions due to being able to control each wheel with Mars rover levels of precision (at least, after it's interpreted what your foot wants it to do...)

Jazzy Jag

3,422 posts

91 months

Wednesday 28th November 2018
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BarcelonaLewis said:
Surely there's no need for a bonnet now?
:ahem:

"Frunk"

wst

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Wednesday 28th November 2018
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BarcelonaLewis said:
Surely there's no need for a bonnet now?
Crumple zone. Though without the big rigid engine lump there I guess you can fit more "crumple" in per foot of bonnet, so there's that?

dvs_dave

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Wednesday 28th November 2018
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Hmmm...I’ve seen this design elsewhere, and it wasn’t a roaring sales success the first time around either.

BarcelonaLewis

150 posts

136 months

Wednesday 28th November 2018
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wst said:
BarcelonaLewis said:
Surely there's no need for a bonnet now?
Crumple zone. Though without the big rigid engine lump there I guess you can fit more "crumple" in per foot of bonnet, so there's that?
That was my first thought too, but how much crumple zone is there currently for a side impact? Perhaps spreading the.. frunk.. all the way round the car like a ring would be safer.

dvs_dave

8,619 posts

225 months

Wednesday 28th November 2018
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BarcelonaLewis said:
It'd be nice to see some intelligent, original design in an EV. Why does it need to look just like a car with an internal combustion engine? Surely there's no need for a bonnet now? Designing a vehicle from scratch around the technology rather than this effort.
They could. However, no one wants to drive around in a vehicle with these sort of proportions.


dvs_dave

8,619 posts

225 months

Wednesday 28th November 2018
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BarcelonaLewis said:
wst said:
BarcelonaLewis said:
Surely there's no need for a bonnet now?
Crumple zone. Though without the big rigid engine lump there I guess you can fit more "crumple" in per foot of bonnet, so there's that?
That was my first thought too, but how much crumple zone is there currently for a side impact? Perhaps spreading the.. frunk.. all the way round the car like a ring would be safer.
laugh I hope that’s not a serious suggestion?

BarcelonaLewis

150 posts

136 months

Wednesday 28th November 2018
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Completely serious; forget aesthetics and just think of it in terms of function. If space holds luggage and acts as a crumple zone, why put it all at the front and back?


unsprung

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124 months

Wednesday 28th November 2018
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dvs_dave said:


Hmmm...I’ve seen this design elsewhere, and it wasn’t a roaring sales success the first time around either.
cloud9

creamy goodness on the road to adventure

I do hope my frenemies will be along soon -- with unkind, occasionally amusing barbs about the Flex

Witchfinder

6,250 posts

252 months

Wednesday 28th November 2018
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I really like it. It just depends on whether the quality and price are right. If we're in Tesla Model X territory (and I suspect we will be, with it being American and having such a colossal battery), it'll be a shame.

redroadster

1,738 posts

232 months

Wednesday 28th November 2018
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Super car performance in large family vehicle will cause some head scratching of how do we trump that .

Johnspex

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184 months

Wednesday 28th November 2018
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You start with one, and then you have two, that is surely doubling up, not down.

This isn't the use of some nonsensical but cool Americanism, is it?

cookie1600

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161 months

Wednesday 28th November 2018
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redroadster said:
how do we trump that .
Make it in Mexico!

Plate spinner

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Wednesday 28th November 2018
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dvs_dave said:
BarcelonaLewis said:
It'd be nice to see some intelligent, original design in an EV. Why does it need to look just like a car with an internal combustion engine? Surely there's no need for a bonnet now? Designing a vehicle from scratch around the technology rather than this effort.
They could. However, no one wants to drive around in a vehicle with these sort of proportions.

Agreed. People have had 100 years to get used to the shape of a car. Change it too much and most people don't like / get it.