RE: Jeep Gladiator crushes it in LA

RE: Jeep Gladiator crushes it in LA

Wednesday 28th November 2018

Jeep Gladiator crushes it in LA

It's a Jeep that can tow 7,650lbs, the doors come off and it's called a Gladiator - course we're interested



In case you hadn't noticed, Los Angeles is a strange motor show. On one stand there's VW talking about the future of urban electric mobility, on another Mazda showing a 3 with a compression ignition petrol engine - and then a Jeep Gladiator. A truck launched with a huge V6 petrol engine, a diesel on the way and an unabashed focus on being rough, ready and providing "freedom to the faithful". It is - for want of a better phrase and having witnessed a highly charged press conference - absolutely brilliant.

A Jeep truck existed from 1947 until 1992 under various different guises. Then it was canned, and Jeep aficionados - the "most vocal fan base" around, according to the company - had nearly 30 years without one. Now, with the mid-size truck segment growing and growing in the US, Jeep has seen it fit to bring it back in Gladiator format. Indeed they say this is not bringing the segment to Jeep, but rather announcing Jeep to the segment...


It's based on the recently launched Wrangler, as you can probably tell, a car that has just been awarded Motor Trend's SUV of the Year award. But it's 31 inches longer, and now you can throw motocross bikes in the back (with a 1,600lb carrying capacity), tow whatever you want out back (with a 7,650lb towing capacity), fold down the windscreen, take off the doors and live your best live wherever that may be. That's no joke, either, Jeep aiming the car at "mundane fearing millenials", those with "an appreciation of capability" and who like to get out there. Being outdoorsy never looked so appealing.

This isn't some lifestyle SUV in the modern sense either, Jeep keen to be seen as a "brand that backs it up" in terms of ability. So the Gladiator comes with two 4x4 systems (Command-Trac and Rock-Trac), Dana 44 axles, a Track Lok limited-slip diff (plus front and rear axle lockers), 33-inch off-road tyres and the ability to disconnect the roll bars. There's the Gladiator Rubicon for those who need more off-road cred, but all cars have a 43.6-degree departure angle, 20.3 breakover and 26-degree departure, with 30 inches of water fording ability too. Rock rails and skid plates keep the vital bits protected, while its maker also maintains that the additional suspension refinement and composure ushered in for this Wrangler generation hasn't compromised off-road ability.  


Getting Gladiator buyers to wherever they want to go is a 3.6-litre Pentastar V6, with 285hp, 260lb ft and a standard six-speed manual (an eight-speed auto is optional). The 3.0-litre V6 diesel will follow in 2020.

Jeep has described this Gladiator as its most anticipated model in decades, a remarkable truck that "puts the trails on notice" - it really was a presentation to see. US buyers will see the Gladiator in their showrooms from Q2 next year, presumably while UK off-roadists peer wistfully across the Atlantic thinking what might have been. Nice work Jeep.









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David87

Original Poster:

6,656 posts

212 months

Wednesday 28th November 2018
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This is cool. I presume it’s coming to the UK, right? Right?!

Even if it did though, I guess the low payload rating would mean it’s not classed as a commercial vehicle for tax purposes and so would likely be a pretty rare beast anyway.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

190 months

Wednesday 28th November 2018
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Very cool vehicle. But I can’t see anything other than maybe a token limited edition for the UK. Jeep UK seem to have no interest or intent to sell such vehicles over here.

Has anyone noticed the new JL Wrangler is priced the same as a Porsche Boxster ffs!!!! But only in the UK. In the US the Wrangler starts at about 50% the price of the Porsche confused

Looks like I’ll be buying a Jimny.....

Bob_Defly

3,678 posts

231 months

Thursday 29th November 2018
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So much want, looks amazing. Probably really stty MPG though.

caelite

4,274 posts

112 months

Thursday 29th November 2018
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Love it, think they really dropped the ball by not offering the Cummins R2.8 as their diesel option as it's widely considered a solid swap for old Jeep motors. I imagine the economic viability of it for Jeep may have been dubious.

Plate spinner

17,696 posts

200 months

Thursday 29th November 2018
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What’s the woody in tow?

mrdelmonti

1,420 posts

181 months

Thursday 29th November 2018
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Looking at those photos, I can't help but see a 110 double cab pick up.

It would be a smart move for Jeep to push in while Land Rover doesn't have anything to offer.

Andy Meads

320 posts

203 months

Thursday 29th November 2018
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Plate spinner said:
What’s the woody in tow?
Think it’s a Jeep Grand Wagoneer. But I might be wrong!

russell_ram

321 posts

231 months

Thursday 29th November 2018
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Plate spinner said:
What’s the woody in tow?
A Jeep ? ? (Grand Wagoneer). What else were you expecting it to be?

Edit: Damn, too slow.

flatso

1,240 posts

129 months

Thursday 29th November 2018
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Plate spinner said:
What’s the woody in tow?
Its a Jeep Wagoneer.
The Gladiator looks amazing, I would love this with a slide-on camper in the bed.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

190 months

Thursday 29th November 2018
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Andy Meads said:
Plate spinner said:
What’s the woody in tow?
Think it’s a Jeep Grand Wagoneer. But I might be wrong!
No you are correct. smile

Johnnytheboy

24,498 posts

186 months

Thursday 29th November 2018
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What does it crush? We should be told!

nicfaz

432 posts

230 months

Thursday 29th November 2018
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I like it, but can't help feeling it is the car Jeep needed 5 years ago. Also, 750kg payload and 3.5t towing aren't great figures, for all they sound better in lbs. I would still like one though!

ExPat2B

2,157 posts

200 months

Thursday 29th November 2018
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I can't help but laugh at the picture of the two bikes, both stowed in the back upright with the front wheels taken off.

Seriously, its a massive pickup with a load bed, but you need a specific bike carrier and to take the wheels off in order to carry just two bikes ?

I am very interested in how well this sells. Offroad enthusiasts have been banging on forever that this is the truck they want, but I suspect not many will buy. It is kind of like everyone on here that says they want a lightweight sports car with great feedback, and high revving NA power, and a manual gearbox, but when car companies make those cars, the actual sales numbers are tiny.

AmosMoses

4,041 posts

165 months

Thursday 29th November 2018
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Ohhh i like that a lot!

Richard-390a0

2,256 posts

91 months

Thursday 29th November 2018
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Let's hope the new Defender is as useful as this when it finally arrives.

Fire99

9,844 posts

229 months

Thursday 29th November 2018
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It is funny that with all this high tech electric this electric that malarkey going on, the two cars that seem to get people excited, are 'old school' trucks.. One diddy (Jimny) and one Biig (Gladiator)

I really like it. I just feel I may need to up my gym presence to 'The Rock' levels to perfect the look. biggrin

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

190 months

Thursday 29th November 2018
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nicfaz said:
Also, 750kg payload and 3.5t towing aren't great figures, for all they sound better in lbs.
What do you mean by this?

A Land Rover Defender payload can be as low as 657kg depending on model and body config.

The Toyota Tacoma pickup has a payload of 509kg to 736kg according to Google.

Many UK market pickups have often been well short of the 3500kg towing cap for the EU. Some as low as 2000kg.

jhonn

1,567 posts

149 months

Thursday 29th November 2018
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300bhp/ton said:
Has anyone noticed the new JL Wrangler is priced the same as a Porsche Boxster ffs!!!! But only in the UK. In the US the Wrangler starts at about 50% the price of the Porsche confused
Yep - couldn't believe that they'd priced it at £40k+, considering how reasonable the prices were a few years ago.

I think they're targeting the lifestyle/leisure market and positioning it in the aspirational vehicle bracket - probably realised that they'd sell the same amount of them as if they were priced at £26k, so why not go for the higher margin and push it up-market?

At that money it won't be a feature on my driveway any time soon...


caelite

4,274 posts

112 months

Thursday 29th November 2018
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https://youtu.be/izYQ6ztcflQ

Just watched this 'review' with an interview with the designer. That makes me love it even more, the guy pretty much says it's designed for the enthusiast and aftermarket community, stating that he knows fine well that half of the units sold will be stopping for bigger tyres on the way home, and it is designed to take them and that Jeep have been working with aftermarket suppliers to build lift kits for it.

I'd love it if more manufacturers had ethos' like this rather than the usual, accountancy driven 'we expect to sell X units by Y date' with little to no care for who's buying them or what happens to them once they are out the door.

Must say I have been gradually converting from a LR guy to a Jeep guy ever since they dropped the Defender and stuff like this is reinforcing that.

If only they cared about the European market.

Edited by caelite on Thursday 29th November 15:48

unsprung

5,467 posts

124 months

Thursday 29th November 2018
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caelite said:
https://youtu.be/izYQ6ztcflQ


If only they cared about the European market.
your concern is one that I share

and this matter created for me some mild frustration when I lived there

on further examination, however: can Jeep afford to "care" about the European market?

if we examine the EU28... most with median household incomes lower than in Jeep's domestic market... whilst nearly all with on-the-road and operating costs that are significantly higher than in Jeep's domestic market