RE: Lotus EV hypercar plans emerge...

RE: Lotus EV hypercar plans emerge...

Thursday 6th December

Lotus EV hypercar plans emerge...

Autocar says a £2m flagship is planned as a statement of intent from Geely. First details here



Now we all know that grand plans for Lotus sports car expansion have, well, not always reached fruition, to put it politely. So while news of a hypercar humbling electric flagship, as reported by Autocar, sounds jolly tremendous, reservations will have to remain until there's something rather more tangible than a render and a rumour.

Still, what's there for now is encouraging. Leveraging the EV expertise of the Geely empire - remember that it now encompasses Volvo, Polestar, Lynk&Co, the London Electric Vehicle Company and more - the Hethel plan is said to be a for a £2m, 1000hp+ electric rocketship to take on the hypercar hierarchy. All while keeping it lightweight, because a heavy Lotus would rather miss the point like a piranha without teeth. No small challenge, then...


Autocar says the concept is currently under the working title of 'Omega' - an odd one to choose, given 'Lotus Omega' has happened before - and is in development at Hethel, as Geely attempts to rejuvenate the HQ. With the car rumoured for a launch early in the next decade, expect a new generation of batteries and motors to deliver improved range, efficiency, charging time and so on. Autocar has cited the NIO EP 9 as the most logical target for now, which you would have to assume the Lotus would need to surpass in terms of power, performance and lap time.

Beyond that, the car will obviously have to be on entirely new architecture, Lotus having never embarked on an electric powertrain before, or indeed anything all-wheel drive. Well, until the SUV, of course.


Predictably enough, Lotus hasn't confirmed anything about the Omega, or Carlton, or whatever this car might actually be. The quote on Autocar is as follows: "Lotus's development team is exploring numerous engineering projects, across multiple vehicle sectors, using several propulsion systems. As part of the development process, these projects undergo continual and stringent valuation and only the best will reach production." Make of that what you will.

If it's pulled off, if it actually happens, then a Lotus EV hypercar could be spectacular. But, of course, we have been here before, so let's see where the project progresses. Is this the way for Lotus to reestablish itself at the forefront of sports car tech, or should the revolution begin from the bottom up? Comments, views and predictions all welcome - we'll update the story when there's more to say.

 

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ukaskew

Original Poster:

4,419 posts

157 months

Thursday 6th December
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Before the 'means nothing till a real car appears' comments it's worth remembering that this is not a Lotus press release, just a Autocar rumour.

Frankly it would be surprising if Lotus were not already heavily invested in EV tech considering the way the industry is going.

pycraft

86 posts

120 months

Thursday 6th December
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Beyond that, the car will obviously have to be on entirely new architecture, Lotus having never embarked on an electric powertrain before, or indeed anything all-wheel drive.

There was the Evora 414, does that count? OK it's not the same but it certainly suggests experience in alternative powertrains...

https://www.lotuscars.com/engineering/evora-414e-h...

cmoose

43,065 posts

165 months

Thursday 6th December
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Tesla Roadster EV was on a Lotus chassis, obvs.

Keeping it light weight not really going to happen with existing / near to medium term future battery tech. Light weight EV hypercar probably 20+ years away, at least. Would need, what, absolute minimum circa 500kg of batteries using today's tech.

TartanPaint

1,248 posts

75 months

Thursday 6th December
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Oh wow, this is actually a real project and not just the usual Autocar garbage?

<reads article>

Oh no, it's just the usual Autocar garbage.

PH, if we want to read Autocar, we'll go read it. Please don't ever regurgitate anything they print. Ever.

kambites

55,403 posts

157 months

Thursday 6th December
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yes Seems very likely it'll be another heavy, crazy powered straight-line hero type of car if it happens.
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16v stretch

756 posts

93 months

Thursday 6th December
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cmoose said:
Tesla Roadster EV was on a Lotus chassis, obvs.

Keeping it light weight not really going to happen with existing / near to medium term future battery tech. Light weight EV hypercar probably 20+ years away, at least. Would need, what, absolute minimum circa 500kg of batteries using today's tech.
I was just wondering if they'd just take the Tesla Roadster, and stick a lotus badge on it this time round...

There's a youtuber who has made a Tesla/Volt powered Evora

dazwalsh

4,043 posts

77 months

Thursday 6th December
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The source of this news makes me think its all a lod of made up horsest.

jjwilde

297 posts

32 months

Thursday 6th December
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cmoose said:
Tesla Roadster EV was on a Lotus chassis, obvs.

Keeping it light weight not really going to happen with existing / near to medium term future battery tech. Light weight EV hypercar probably 20+ years away, at least. Would need, what, absolute minimum circa 500kg of batteries using today's tech.
That certainly isn't what today's hypercar makers think.

unpc

2,046 posts

149 months

Thursday 6th December
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There is some truth in this. That's all I'm sayin'

simonrockman

5,685 posts

191 months

Thursday 6th December
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16v stretch said:
cmoose said:
There's a youtuber who has made a Tesla/Volt powered Evora
That's incredible. Of course I've now spent an hour watching a load of those videos when I should have ben working.

Maldini35

1,858 posts

124 months

Thursday 6th December
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unpc said:
There is some truth in this. That's all I'm sayin'
yes

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It's not the usual Autocar fiction...

andy_s

13,758 posts

195 months

Thursday 6th December
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They'd be mad not to be actively looking at EV, especially now you have the confluence of Geely sub-companies and the pressure to go EV in general.

Weight is slightly problematic at the moment, but you have the upside of a very low CoG which should play into Lotus's hands.

98elise

13,312 posts

97 months

Thursday 6th December
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pycraft said:
Beyond that, the car will obviously have to be on entirely new architecture, Lotus having never embarked on an electric powertrain before, or indeed anything all-wheel drive.

There was the Evora 414, does that count? OK it's not the same but it certainly suggests experience in alternative powertrains...

https://www.lotuscars.com/engineering/evora-414e-h...
Then there is the fact that the lotus VVA modular chassis can be used for ICE, Electric or Hybrid drivetrains

https://www.lotuscars.com/engineering/vehicle-plat...

...and the fact the Tesla roadster used the Elise chassis.

As to the 4x4 comment, here are Autocar telling us about the new Lotus 4x4 based on the VVA chassis

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/lotus/lotus-pla...

In short Autocar are making stuff up to sell magazines.

GranCab

1,267 posts

82 months

Thursday 6th December
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Hopefully when PH is sold off to Arfur Daley's Second-hand Motors website the Autocar twaddle will disappear.

Tri_Doc

477 posts

70 months

Thursday 6th December
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Just when you think everything is going to get better for Lotus, they pull defeat from the jaws of victory.

Why not use the existing Geely group tech to build a mega hybrid hatch or a profit churning cayenne alternative to enable expansion of the 2 seater range? Its worked well for other groups? Surely the volvo chassis parts bin and lotus suspension know-how and ev powertrains could be worked into something interesting, rather than pouring development into a sector that has such limited scope for potential customers??

Maybe i'm just having a hump because I smashed my favorite lotus coffee mug this week.

jjwilde

297 posts

32 months

Thursday 6th December
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The fact is if Tesla really are going to release their insane Roadster2 in the next couple of years the market will have to have something to compete with it. Just look at the specs and price on the Roadster2. It is like the starship enterprise showing up in WW2.

fblm

15,344 posts

199 months

Thursday 6th December
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16v stretch said:
I was just wondering if they'd just take the Tesla Roadster, and stick a lotus badge on it this time round...
I know where there's one not being used...

wab172uk

1,116 posts

163 months

Thursday 6th December
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Lotus are too busy churning out special editions of a 20 year old car every other month, to be bothered about such a project.

And if they are, then maybe they should be concentrating on producing a car that's affordable and has appeal to the many, rather than spending a shed load of cash they don't have on a car, that if it is produced, will just sit in a Billionaires man cave.

simonrockman

5,685 posts

191 months

Thursday 6th December
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Yes, Tesla is claiming 0-60 in 1.9 seconds for the new roadster which is quicker than Ariel is claiming for the P40.


CABC

2,206 posts

37 months

Thursday 6th December
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Tri_Doc said:
Just when you think everything is going to get better for Lotus, they pull defeat from the jaws of victory.

Why not use the existing Geely group tech to build a mega hybrid hatch or a profit churning cayenne alternative to enable expansion of the 2 seater range? Its worked well for other groups? Surely the volvo chassis parts bin and lotus suspension know-how and ev powertrains could be worked into something interesting, rather than pouring development into a sector that has such limited scope for potential customers??

Maybe i'm just having a hump because I smashed my favorite lotus coffee mug this week.
It’ll reset price expectations in the market. Lotus has diminished cache in the market right now but in 7 years time once a real halo has been produced their parts bin special that you describe will be well over 50k, and will sell in reasonable global volume.

On a similar note I wonder what the purpose of a loss making Bugatti was? Fantastic halo that vast majority of people don’t realise is related to VW or Audi? Was it just a vanity project or is there a long term payback?