RE: 2019 Porsche 911 (992): PH Meets

RE: 2019 Porsche 911 (992): PH Meets

Thursday 13th December 2018

2019 Porsche 911 (992): PH Meets

We sit through a two day briefing and 467 Powerpoint slides so you don't have to...



Remember how days used to drag at school? The frustration of sitting in a dusty classroom while people had considerably more fun outside? It's been a while for me, but halfway through the second day of Porsche's technical backgrounder on the forthcoming 992, all of the sensations are coming back. Trapped in an office listening to details of the revised PCM interface being translated from technical German, while the sound of sliding tyres and revving engines wafts over from the Hockenheim circuit that I'm sitting next to.

Don't feel too sorry - I did get to experience some of the tyre squeals later, and even make a few of my own from the passenger seat. But Porsche's pride in

the newness of the 992 was demonstrated by telling us pretty much everything about it, twice. German engineers are nothing if not thorough, and I can report that the body contains 813 spot welds, 188 metres of adhesive bonding and nearly 2km of wiring. 32 per cent of the body is made from pressed aluminium, there's now a "wet mode" that warns drivers when they need to select it, and it is five seconds faster around a lap of the Nurburgring Nordschleife than the 991.2 was. You're welcome.


The big revelation from the information overload was that not a huge amount has changed. The 911 has always evolved at a gentle pace, and the similarities between 992 and 991 are the most striking, beyond the whole engine in the back thing. It sits on an entirely new platform packed with clever materials, but dimensionally they are barely separated by the width of a fag packet: overall length has gone up by 20mm and the 2,450mm wheelbase is identical.

Of course, Porsche has always taken a Trigger's broom approach to engine and chassis development, tending to replacing each in turn, so there's a marked absence of surprise that the 992 will launch with a tweaked version of the 3.0-litre flat-six that arrived in the 991.2. This has a fractionally higher compression ratio to boost economy and gains a particulate filter, but otherwise the only headlines are new turbos and freer-flowing pipework. Power for the Carrera S has increased by 30hp to 444hp and torque has gone up from 369lb ft to 391lb ft, although the peak doesn't arrive until 2,300rpm. (We don't have any numbers for the non-S yet.)

There are more changes to the transmission, at least for those buyers who pick the PDK with the arrival of a new eight-speed twin-clutcher. This has allowed gearing to be reduced slightly, although the motor's 7,500rpm redline in second still corresponds to nearly 100mph on the graph we were shown, but the extra gear will also help with cruising speed economy. At a nice, relaxing 3,000rpm in eighth, the Carrera S will be travelling at 125mph.


The gearbox will also take guidance from the navigation system when working as an automatic, so not upshifting just before you come to a hill or corner, and even downshifting if the front radar reports you are closing on another vehicle at speed and reckons you might want to pass it.

The gearbox has also been designed for what Porsche's engineers coyly refer to as "hybridization possibilities", with a tighter-fitting gearset leaving room to add a motor. While journos have already been told there will be a mild hybrid version of the 992 to help it meet forthcoming emissions standards, it also seems likely that there will be a brawnier part-electric version as well, with the range-topping Turbo a strong candidate for added assistance. There was no hint at where the necessary battery pack would go given how tightly packaged the front of the 911 already is. Oh, and there will still be the option of a seven-speed manual gearbox.

Dynamically, we're told the brief was to improve everyday practicality while maintaining necessary levels of what Germans love to refer to as "schportiness." The structure is stiffer - thanks in large part to the use of aluminium side pressings saving enough weight to allow strengthening elsewhere - and we're promised greater changes between the different dynamic modes. In addition to Normal/ Sport and Sport Plus there's also a more configurable Individual as well as a new Wet mode which decreases the intervention threshold of stability control and ABS.


Other tech includes smart LED lights, various active safety features and lane keeping assistance to help those who probably shouldn't be driving something as potent as a 911 in the first place.

Okay, so that's a heavily condensed version of the two-day tech briefing, but the event also gave the chance to get touchy-feely with the car itself. From the outside I couldn't find a bad angle: it's a stunner, even as it took me a while to get used to the solid rear light 'beam' and the bumpy new high-level brake lights.

But I have to report being less sure about the cabin, the most obvious changes to which somebody coming straight from a 991 would likely notice straight away. There's a new part-digital instrument pack, with two screens flanking an analogue rev counter. Sadly this doesn't use Porsche's established tacho font, but the digi screens are also oddly shaped and partially hidden behind the 360mm diameter steering wheel. From my natural seating position I couldn't see the outer edge of either of them.


The centre console has been completely changed as well, losing the black "button island" feel of the 991 for a split of functions between conventional buttons and the 10.9-inch touchscreen that sits in the centre of the dashboard. The split of functions seems to have followed a non-linear logic, some dynamic controls are touchscreen only while the adaptive dampers and stability control are now bossed by a panel of rocker switches; Sport Chrono still brings a rotary drive mode selector on the steering wheel and that strange little clock. The new gear shifter also feels small and insubstantial: approximately the shape (and weight) of a modern BMW key.

I'm sure you'd get used to what does what quickly enough and - big bonus points - the central air vents don't need to have their direction changed through the screen as on the Cayenne and Panamera. One other odd detail: there's a track skip forward button on the steering wheel, but no skip back, which could take a while if you're navigating a long playlist. While nothing stands out as an egregious gimmick I do struggle to believe a 911 needs active door handles that motor out when the car is unlocked; surely that's the sort of thing that's best left to blingy SUVs, isn't it?

The least surprising news of all? That will be the increase in cost, and the sobering realisation that even a near-boggo 911 is getting very close to six figures. The PDK Carrera S starting at £93,110 before a single option box gets ticked and the 4S adding £5,308 to that. You can debate whether that represents good value, but I suspect that - when we do get to drive it - we'll find that very little else gets close to it for the price.



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giles panizzi

Original Poster:

323 posts

233 months

Thursday 13th December 2018
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You mention experiencing tyre squeal from the passenger seat - how did it sound post GPF?

Helicopter123

8,831 posts

156 months

Thursday 13th December 2018
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The non-S version though will be quite a bit under £100k.

HardMiles

318 posts

86 months

Thursday 13th December 2018
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If anybody needs to bore you with that much information to tell you something is better, the likelihood is, that it isn’t! Bullst baffles brains as they say...
I imagine a new release at TVR or Alpina would cosist of; wait your turn, here are the keys, go kick the st out of it and tell us what you think! Let you make your own mind up!

Burwood

18,709 posts

246 months

Thursday 13th December 2018
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HardMiles said:
If anybody needs to bore you with that much information to tell you something is better, the likelihood is, that it isn’t! Bullst baffles brains as they say...
I imagine a new release at TVR or Alpina would cosist of; wait your turn, here are the keys, go kick the st out of it and tell us what you think! Let you make your own mind up!
TVR is a fantasy right now and how did that work out for Alpina. A fire ball. Whatever your opinion, the 992 will be very good and clearly represents a compelling package given the pedigree/performance and price.

breadvan

1,998 posts

168 months

Thursday 13th December 2018
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Burwood said:
TVR is a fantasy right now and how did that work out for Alpina. A fire ball. Whatever your opinion, the 992 will be very good and clearly represents a compelling package given the pedigree/performance and price.
Alpine / Alpina

Go to bed with no tea. smile

Xfe

257 posts

76 months

Thursday 13th December 2018
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Pistonheads said:
the motor's 7,500rpm redline in second still corresponds to nearly 100mph
Surely you mean third? I recall that the manuals are longer-geared than the autos, and they top out just below 80 in 2nd.

Burwood

18,709 posts

246 months

Thursday 13th December 2018
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breadvan said:
Burwood said:
TVR is a fantasy right now and how did that work out for Alpina. A fire ball. Whatever your opinion, the 992 will be very good and clearly represents a compelling package given the pedigree/performance and price.
Alpine / Alpina

Go to bed with no tea. smile
Got me there smile

Vee12V

1,333 posts

160 months

Thursday 13th December 2018
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HardMiles said:
If anybody needs to bore you with that much information to tell you something is better, the likelihood is, that it isn’t! Bullst baffles brains as they say...
I imagine a new release at TVR or Alpina would cosist of; wait your turn, here are the keys, go kick the st out of it and tell us what you think! Let you make your own mind up!
Man's got a point..

donutskidmark

1,201 posts

153 months

Thursday 13th December 2018
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I can’t help thinking that for such a large amount of money I’d rather a 991 turbo S

audidoody

8,597 posts

256 months

Thursday 13th December 2018
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That white one up on the ramp looks perfect for the potholes and speed bumps of inner London.

Dannythemusicman

80 posts

94 months

Thursday 13th December 2018
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Xfe said:
Surely you mean third? I recall that the manuals are longer-geared than the autos, and they top out just below 80 in 2nd.
Indeed, article must surely be incorrect and has to be third gear...

Cacatous

3,163 posts

273 months

Friday 14th December 2018
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No wonder these things are literally porkers. So much tech in the cabin must add some weight.

A screen I get, but just hook up your smartphone and use Car Play/ Android Auto through a Porsche app. The rest just use dials and switches depending on whether you're hot or cold.

Also, is a non-digital dash a no-cost option because I really don't like digital dashes.

Sport220

634 posts

75 months

Friday 14th December 2018
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100 mph in second? Wtf

Cold

15,246 posts

90 months

Friday 14th December 2018
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Sport220 said:
100 mph in second? Wtf

Dale487

1,334 posts

123 months

Friday 14th December 2018
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audidoody said:
That white one up on the ramp looks perfect for the potholes and speed bumps of inner London.
That's not white, it's Crayon (or expensive hipster grey to you & me).

bosshog

1,583 posts

276 months

Friday 14th December 2018
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Sport220 said:
100 mph in second? Wtf
Indeed. What is it about Porkers and super long gearing.

Dale487

1,334 posts

123 months

Friday 14th December 2018
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Cacatous said:
No wonder these things are literally porkers. So much tech in the cabin must add some weight.

A screen I get, but just hook up your smartphone and use Car Play/ Android Auto through a Porsche app. The rest just use dials and switches depending on whether you're hot or cold.

Also, is a non-digital dash a no-cost option because I really don't like digital dashes.
I doubt it, as it isn't an option on the Panamera.

Charlie_1

1,013 posts

92 months

Friday 14th December 2018
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Cacatous said:
No wonder these things are literally porkers. So much tech in the cabin must add some weight.

A screen I get, but just hook up your smartphone and use Car Play/ Android Auto through a Porsche app. The rest just use dials and switches depending on whether you're hot or cold.

Also, is a non-digital dash a no-cost option because I really don't like digital dashes.
1955 must be amazing smile

Charlie_1

1,013 posts

92 months

Friday 14th December 2018
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HardMiles said:
If anybody needs to bore you with that much information to tell you something is better, the likelihood is, that it isn’t! Bullst baffles brains as they say...
I imagine a new release at TVR or Alpina would cosist of; wait your turn, here are the keys, go kick the st out of it and tell us what you think! Let you make your own mind up!
Sorry you are wrong , shows that Porsche know what they are talking about , others are idiots

Turbobanana

6,266 posts

201 months

Friday 14th December 2018
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PH headline said:
We sit through a two day briefing and 467 Powerpoint slides so you don't have to...Hockenheim circuit that I'm sitting next to...the chance to get touchy-feely with the car itself...You're welcome
We do all appreciate your efforts in enduring a two day all-expenses-paid trip to Hockenheim on our behalf, yes.