RE: Renault Megane RS Trophy on sale from ?31,810

RE: Renault Megane RS Trophy on sale from ?31,810

Monday 17th December 2018

Renault Megane RS Trophy on sale from £31,810

Dieppe's fastest model undercuts estimated prices, although it's still more expensive than a Civic Type R



We first saw it in the summer, we drove it in November and now, the Renault Megane RS Trophy has gone on sale, priced from £31,810. That, those of you with encyclopedic knowledge of the new car market will have noted, leaves it £4,315 pricier than the regular Dieppe-tuned RS and, more significantly, £285 above the Honda Civic Type R. But when you consider the extra kit included in this most potent version of the RS Meg, it looks like pretty good value for money.

Tick the option boxes for 19-inch wheels, the Cup chassis and bi-material brakes on a non-Trophy and you'd have already added £3,350 to the list price, but the Trophy brings bespoke extras such as a faster spooling turbo and an accompanying extra 20hp from the 1.8-litre four-cylinder, plus there's a new exhaust with valves and Recaro seats inside. Oh, and you get Trophy badges. Yet it's the way the changes combine to enhance how the car drives that helps explain the premium.


Of course, that starting price is for the manual car, with the EDC automatic gearbox costing from £33,510, which extends the gap a little further - to £5,530 more than a normal EDC RS - presumably thanks to it being further developed to offer quicker shift times. With EDC, the Trophy ranks as Renault Sport's most potent series model yet; it has 310lb ft of torque, 15lb ft more than the manual version, which can't take the extra grunt.

Interestingly, the claimed 0-62mph times of the manual and auto are an identical 5.7 seconds, a tenth better than the standard RS Megane in either guise. As we found out on our drive, however, the engine and gearbox improvements provided to the Trophy are more appreciated once rolling, where the powertrain feels properly responsive and the gearbox a far, far cry from the sluggish unit we first met in early versions of the Clio 200 Turbo.

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redroadster

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1,735 posts

232 months

Monday 17th December 2018
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Great looking car and nice seats which hold you but Dont pinch you ,unlike ford st seats ,if they get next Clio looking like this would suit size of car I need .

Ultrafunkula

997 posts

105 months

Monday 17th December 2018
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The only thing that makes me think twice about these is manual gearbox criticisms aimed at the standard RS. I wonder if the box has been improved for the Trophy?

Alex_225

6,245 posts

201 months

Monday 17th December 2018
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The new RS Megane has really caught my eye, far more than the previous 250 models and those that followed. Despite being a four door, I think the look of it is great.

I suspect like many RenaultSports it'll drive great and despite being that bit more expensive than the Civic Type-R, at the age of 36 I wouldn't feel daft driving this like I would in the Civic!

Paddy78

208 posts

146 months

Monday 17th December 2018
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I know they are very different cars bought by very different people, but £31k for this seems like an absolute bargain when the new 340i is nearly £50k (As posted in another PH article).

the_hood

770 posts

194 months

Monday 17th December 2018
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Paddy78 said:
I know they are very different cars bought by very different people, but £31k for this seems like an absolute bargain when the new 340i is nearly £50k (As posted in another PH article).
As you've said "different cars bought by very different people". I'd add in a completely different class. The price is only a bargain if it's significantly cheaper than it's rivals, which I don't think it is.


FanBoy21

22 posts

68 months

Monday 17th December 2018
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"it has 310lb ft of torque, 15lb ft more than the manual version, which can't take the extra grunt."

I never understand this, is it just marketing or are they trying to push people away from the manual? Manufacturers operate with such massive tolerances that there is no way that the gearbox would explode because you put an extra 15lb ft through it.

The BMW 340i with MPPSK is the same, they give you something like circa 20lb ft less for the manual, although im not sure they say why explicitly. I know of a number of DMS cars running over 440lbs ft through the manual gearbox (MPPSK being circa 360lbs ft) with no issues at all. I was running 480lbs ft in my old 325D BMW manual, again with no issues.

Just doesn't make any sense to me but seems to be prevalent across multiple manufacturers.

Paddy78

208 posts

146 months

Monday 17th December 2018
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the_hood said:
Paddy78 said:
I know they are very different cars bought by very different people, but £31k for this seems like an absolute bargain when the new 340i is nearly £50k (As posted in another PH article).
As you've said "different cars bought by very different people". I'd add in a completely different class. The price is only a bargain if it's significantly cheaper than it's rivals, which I don't think it is.
Fair point, I guess I was just appalled by how expensive the BMW was/is. This is indeed very much in the price bracket of the Focus RS, Golf R, Civic Type R etc. Therefore all hot hatches seem like a bargain in comparison, but not everyone wants one and not many people that are after a 340i have one on their alternates list.

On retrospect, it was probably a largely pointless post... welcome to the internet as they say! smile

J4CKO

41,438 posts

200 months

Monday 17th December 2018
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FanBoy21 said:
"it has 310lb ft of torque, 15lb ft more than the manual version, which can't take the extra grunt."

I never understand this, is it just marketing or are they trying to push people away from the manual? Manufacturers operate with such massive tolerances that there is no way that the gearbox would explode because you put an extra 15lb ft through it.

The BMW 340i with MPPSK is the same, they give you something like circa 20lb ft less for the manual, although im not sure they say why explicitly. I know of a number of DMS cars running over 440lbs ft through the manual gearbox (MPPSK being circa 360lbs ft) with no issues at all. I was running 480lbs ft in my old 325D BMW manual, again with no issues.

Just doesn't make any sense to me but seems to be prevalent across multiple manufacturers.
Will be their powertrain engineers, the fact a gearbox will take a load more torque than it is rated at doesnt mean they can sell it like that, they need to warranty it for three years and avoid fall out from owners complaining because the gearbox failed, remaps eat into the margin and are certainly tougher on components, the gearbox bearing the brunt. I remapped a car and it overwhelmed the clutch straight away, so can certainly see why they limit torque, modern turbo engines if mapped unsympathetically can potentially turn a gearbox inside out.

I have two remapped cars and they are managing, I think a bit of mechanical sympathy helps as the margin to cope with ham fistedness has been eaten into by the extra power.

vpr

3,708 posts

238 months

Monday 17th December 2018
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I think it’s worth any amount of money more than the Honda when the Honda is such a hideous looking thing.

gofasterrosssco

1,237 posts

236 months

Monday 17th December 2018
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vpr said:
I think it’s worth any amount of money more than the Honda when the Honda is such a hideous looking thing.
I know.. The Megane with the Type-R powertrain would be an even nicer thing.

greenarrow

3,574 posts

117 months

Monday 17th December 2018
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I know people generally don't buy cars these days, so list prices are largely academic but interesting that it costs the same as a basic manual Golf R 5 door. The Megane will be faster on track, but in a straight-line I reckon the Golf will dust it no problem. In the wet too (very relevant given the weather this past few weeks) the Golf will also be far more useful.

Good to have so much choice though. The Megane is a good looking car too.

Also, why does the Peugeot 308 GTI never get any mention on PH? its lighter than any other 5 door full sized hot hatch, pretty handy on track, fairly understated and has the biggest boot I believe.

the_hood

770 posts

194 months

Monday 17th December 2018
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Paddy78 said:
the_hood said:
Paddy78 said:
I know they are very different cars bought by very different people, but £31k for this seems like an absolute bargain when the new 340i is nearly £50k (As posted in another PH article).
As you've said "different cars bought by very different people". I'd add in a completely different class. The price is only a bargain if it's significantly cheaper than it's rivals, which I don't think it is.
Fair point, I guess I was just appalled by how expensive the BMW was/is. This is indeed very much in the price bracket of the Focus RS, Golf R, Civic Type R etc. Therefore all hot hatches seem like a bargain in comparison, but not everyone wants one and not many people that are after a 340i have one on their alternates list.

On retrospect, it was probably a largely pointless post... welcome to the internet as they say! smile

wink

Ahbefive

11,657 posts

172 months

Monday 17th December 2018
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Looks great from the profile and in liquid yellow. I wouldn't swap my car for it but if mine had never been made this would have been the next best thing for me.

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

234 months

Monday 17th December 2018
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Ahbefive said:
Looks great from the profile and in liquid yellow. I wouldn't swap my car for it but if mine had never been made this would have been the next best thing for me.
Same here.

emperorburger

1,484 posts

66 months

Monday 17th December 2018
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vpr said:
I think it’s worth any amount of money more than the Honda when the Honda is such a hideous looking thing.
Neither the Civic or Megane are ever going to be considered design classics and the sheep like hatred for the Civic is all a bit tiresome. When I bought a Subaru back in the day, it wasn't a decision based on looks.

moonigan

2,134 posts

241 months

Monday 17th December 2018
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emperorburger said:
Neither the Civic or Megane are ever going to be considered design classics and the sheep like hatred for the Civic is all a bit tiresome. When I bought a Subaru back in the day, it wasn't a decision based on looks.
Ironically I see the I’ll fated Subaru hatch when I look at this in side profile. I’d take the Honda over this in a heartbeat. It so over the top it’s like a hot hatch that just “come out” it’s sick of pretending to be something it isn’t. I suspect you will get a better deal on the Honda as well that would make the price gap even more significant.

MiseryStreak

2,929 posts

207 months

Monday 17th December 2018
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I wonder if you can spec the Trophy without the 19" wheels? I would rather have the Recaros and 18" wheels that will be lighter and better suited to track work, not a huge fan of the red details on them either, they're OK, just a bit fussy.

Manual gearbox in Liquid Yellow please, then drive it down to Dorset and get K-Tec to remap it. An extra 50bhp for £534, be rude not to really.

emperorburger

1,484 posts

66 months

Monday 17th December 2018
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anonymous said:
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I'm not quite sure of the point you are making, but do you actually find the Honda so offensive in appearance that this would influence your purchasing decision were you in the market for either the Honda or Renault, regardless of how they drive?

Mike1990

963 posts

131 months

Monday 17th December 2018
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I honestly don’t know what i’d have out of the current crop of hot-hatches. They are all fantastic in their own way and let’s be honest would all be similar on the road being driven by you or me, they are all very competent these days.

Looks wise 300 Trophy has the others nailed IMO.

mannyg

54 posts

147 months

Tuesday 18th December 2018
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emperorburger said:
I'm not quite sure of the point you are making, but do you actually find the Honda so offensive in appearance that this would influence your purchasing decision were you in the market for either the Honda or Renault, regardless of how they drive?
The question wasn't directed at me, but in my case yes absolutely. The problem with the Honda isn't that it is a generally 'ugly' shape (like possibly my old subaru or current BMW 1 series) but that they seem to have purposefully uglified it with black plastic, fake vents, ridiculous spoilers etc. It would have to be very cheap or simply amazing to even get a consideration from me.

On the new megane, I like the old one better visually but 4 doors and bigger hatch is far more practical!