RE: New Cayman GT4 Clubsport gets 425hp flat-six

RE: New Cayman GT4 Clubsport gets 425hp flat-six

Friday 4th January

New Cayman GT4 Clubsport gets 425hp flat-six

Porsche unveils £130k 718 race car with 3.8-litre motor - but roadgoing version is still to come



Cayman GT4. Five syllables guaranteed to elicit some response from a car enthusiast. It might be joy at having just driven one, frustration at not being able to afford one, or the contentment of ownership. Whatever the case, nobody is going to be passive. Now, nearly four years after Porsche first dropped a 911 engine into its smallest sports car, we're getting a taste of the second-generation GT4 with this, the 718 GT4 Clubsport.

Yep, it's race car first this time around, reversing what happened with the 981 generation. Crucially though, it could proffer a few hints as to the roadgoing 718 GT4, given the previous motorsport version produced exactly the same power - 385hp - as the civilian equivalent. Now that crucial figure is up 40hp to 425hp, produced again from a 3.8-litre flat-six and, interestingly, at higher revs than previously - 7,500rpm, against 7,400. Torque climbs ever so slightly by 3lb ft to 313, again made further towards the redline than the last Clubsport - where that made its peak at 4,750rpm, now 6,600rpm is required.


All of which suggests an engine that really needs revving to get the best from it, a trait already made familiar by the GT4, and one that appears to have been heightened for the tricky second album. For reference a street 911 GT3, a car that will inevitably be discussed at some point, makes 500hp at 8,250rpm and 339lb ft at 6,000rpm. Also carried over from the previous Clubsport to this 718 version are the PDK gearbox, 911 GT3 Cup front suspension, 18-inch forged wheels wrapped in Michelin slick or wet tyres and iron discs of 380mm diameter.

Things change most significantly in the body; Porsche is keen for this GT4 to deliver "improved drivability and faster lap times", but also an increased focus "on the sustainable use of raw materials." Hence this 718 is the first production derived racer to use 'natural-fibre composite material' - a fibre mix constructed mainly from agricultural by-products - and is used here for the doors and rear wing. Apparently the weight and stiffness of the material is similar to carbon fibre, the car actually tipping the scales at 1,320kg ex-works with the cage in. Which is, er, 20kg more than before. Whether the fibre makes it to the road car is also unconfirmed...


While both track day and race ready Clubsport were offered before, Porsche says this is the first time the GT4 has been offered "in two versions ex-works for global track driving excitement". But we're only getting the Competition derivative in the UK, so no choice between it and the more humble track day version. As a Clubsport Competition, the car receives three-way adjustable dampers, a 115-litre fuel tank, brake balance adjuster, the steering wheel from a 911 GT3 R and an integrated air jack system. A proper little racer then, presumably eligible for GT4 championships across the globe. Presumably it's going to be quite successful, too...

You'll pay proper race car money as well though, the 718 GT4 Clubsport listing at Β£130,300 plus VAT from Porsche Motorsport, a pronounced jump from the Β£95k plus VAT asked for the predecessor in 2015. Still, with more power, more downforce and "significantly more racing genes" than the last Clubsport, a price rise was to be expected. The car will be available from February. And the GT4 road car? We'll have to wait and see...


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ClarkeyDiem

Original Poster:

12 posts

46 months

Thursday 3rd January
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Well after 18 m of thread chatter on what the 718GT4 road car may be packing, the comp car answer is 3.8....discuss;)

Leggy

885 posts

170 months

Thursday 3rd January
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Looks the business.
I guess when the road version is launched it will be on limited numbers again. Otherwise a lot of current owners who’ve paid over list are going to be miffed.

houlbt

728 posts

213 months

Thursday 3rd January
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For what it’s worth you half that price hike is arguably the weaker GBP since 2015


tomwoodis

568 posts

132 months

Thursday 3rd January
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Could I not have mine in that colour scheme please smile

Looks lovely otherwise. Let’s hope the same engine ends up in the road going variant

topsyt

1 posts

90 months

Friday 4th January
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Any Porsche dealers out their willing to sell me one ? deposit ready now smile

Chestrockwell

2,090 posts

105 months

Friday 4th January
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topsyt said:
Any Porsche dealers out their willing to sell me one ? deposit ready now smile
Epic lurking!

Back to topic, I thought the GT4 would have the 4.0 F6 from the GT3

Nerdherder

1,650 posts

45 months

Friday 4th January
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Ace. Would be interesting to know which composite they’re using and how it’s fabricated into shape.

Never you mind

1,447 posts

60 months

Friday 4th January
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tomwoodis said:
Could I not have mine in that colour scheme please smile

Looks lovely otherwise. Let’s hope the same engine ends up in the road going variant
Was thinking the exact same thing. I'll just take that very one thanks biggrin

Maldini35

2,265 posts

136 months

Friday 4th January
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The old GT4 race car was a tricky little madam apparently - not nearly as approachable as the road car.
Scared off a few gentlemen drivers I heard.
Looks like they intend to fix this with the new car.
Looks great to me

DaveTheRave87

1,419 posts

37 months

Friday 4th January
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Article said:
agricultural by-products
Poo?

Krikkit

16,788 posts

129 months

Friday 4th January
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Maldini35 said:
The old GT4 race car was a tricky little madam apparently - not nearly as approachable as the road car.
Scared off a few gentlemen drivers I heard.
Looks like they intend to fix this with the new car.
Looks great to me
So bad, in fact, there was rumour of some folks asking for some money back from Porsche, pinch of salt required of course.

Looks great, but the GT4 field is so congested a bad rep could be very damaging to sales.

RacerMike

2,582 posts

159 months

Friday 4th January
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I like the marketing spin on the use of sustainable materials. AMR have had to do the same with the new Vantage GT4 car because the SRO changed the regs to prevent vast swathes of carbon being used to replace panels. Something which was starting to happen with the intro of cars like the AMG GT GT4 and the R8 GT4 which borrowed heavily from their GT3 counterparts.

This is nothing to do with Porsche 'using sustainable materials' and everything to do with them finding a way around the ban on carbon moulded parts....much as AMR have.

Regarding the road car, can't say I'm surprised. I said on the GT4 thread in the Porsche section of the forum that I'd imagine it was the same engine with a few tweaks. There's simply no way Porsche are going to drop the GT3 engine in the Cayman, the F6T won't fit and the F4T would be universally disliked (plus I'm pretty certain those heading the GT division have already stated many times that the GT cars will remain NA).

DanG355

106 posts

149 months

Friday 4th January
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Main criticism I have heard regarding the old roadgoing GT4 is the long gearing. Wonder if Porsche will listen and shorten the gearing this time.

Still an epic car - I'd take the road version in Sapphire Blue or Miami Blue, Clubsport pack, minimal options and manual gearbox please...

Never you mind

1,447 posts

60 months

Friday 4th January
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Anyone know if the new GT4 will be available with PDK?

cowboyengineer

606 posts

62 months

Friday 4th January
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petrolhead4 said:
I hope not. If you want a PDK Porsche GT car just get the 991 GT3 or RS.
What happens if he can't afford the 50k more

Porsche911R

17,900 posts

213 months

Friday 4th January
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cowboyengineer said:
What happens if he can't afford the 50k more
buy a 991.1 GTS as it still has the better engine and you can have which gear box you like.

Cupramax

8,535 posts

200 months

Friday 4th January
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houlbt said:
For what it’s worth you half that price hike is arguably the weaker GBP since 2015

Richard-G

1,357 posts

123 months

Friday 4th January
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petrolhead4 said:
Porsche911R said:
cowboyengineer said:
What happens if he can't afford the 50k more
buy a 991.1 GTS as it still has the better engine and you can have which gear box you like.
Ditto. Let's keep the GT4 Manuel please!

bigmowley

616 posts

124 months

Friday 4th January
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FWIW the gen1 clubsport was a fairly poor GT4 car especially out of the box. Way down on power and much to heavy to be even vaguely competitive against a 570S or a Ginetta. It also suffered from a lack of development from Porsche although Manthey-Racing did improve it quite a bit. The price comparison quoted is rubbish as you had to buy an "upgrade kit" for the previous generation car before it was even homologated for GT4 racing, this was another £25K or so on top of the quoted price, so very similar to the gen2 in the end. Be interesting to see if Porsche have taken it a bit more seriously this time.

sleepera6

4,747 posts

45 months

Friday 4th January
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Richard-G said:
petrolhead4 said:
Porsche911R said:
cowboyengineer said:
What happens if he can't afford the 50k more
buy a 991.1 GTS as it still has the better engine and you can have which gear box you like.
Ditto. Let's keep the GT4 Manuel please!