RE: Volkswagen sneaks GTI engine into Tiguan

RE: Volkswagen sneaks GTI engine into Tiguan

Thursday 10th January

Volkswagen sneaks GTI engine into Tiguan

SEAT launched a whole new sub brand to absorb the Golf R engine; for VW, it's much simpler. And a little more complicated...



In the Volkswagen Group's sewn-up view of things, this was always going to happen. SEAT - via Cupra - has been allowed a head start when it comes to quick crossovers, but the profit margins are just too plump for it to remain the only mainstream option in a segment that Europe's largest manufacturer intends to dominate. Hence today's announcement: the Tiguan, the Ateca's slightly larger blood brother, is to get the same stripe of EA888 four-pot which was previously the preserve of the now defunct entry-level Golf GTI.

The logic, of course, is flawless. It means you can now buy a Tiguan with the 230hp petrol engine that makes it noticeably quick - 0-62mph in 6.3 seconds according to VW - and with the 4Motion all-wheel-drive system that differentiates it from the front-driven Golf. At £35k for the lower-priced SEL trim it's more expensive than the five-door hot hatch, which starts at around £31k, but cheaper than the more powerful (and better equipped) Cupra Ateca.


Denying the Tiguan the GTI badge is partly about preserving the hallowed position of the Golf (and to a lesser extent Up and Polo) in the Volkswagen range. But the other notable upside is that it means the manufacturer gets to spread the more powerful engine around the trim levels, which helps absorb any shortfall in sales of the almost as fast (but increasingly unpopular) 240hp 2.0-litre BiTDI model.

With slightly less power than the current 245hp Golf GTI Performance - and certainly no manual gearbox available - VW will hope to avoid treading on the toes of its famed hot hatch, while at the same time leaving plenty of space for a long mooted Tiguan R. And given the proposed range-topper's engines are rumoured to include everything from a newfangled 3.0-litre VR6 to Audi Sport's five-cylinder 2.5-litre motor, its maker is likely to ensure (should it happen) that it gets the power output consistent with a starting price which ought to leave it just shy of a entry-level Porsche Macan.

Like we said, sewn up.

 

 

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Omega1987

Original Poster:

17 posts

9 months

Thursday 10th January
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It might achieve a quick 0-60 time as a result of a part time 4x4 system but I doubt a car this heavy will be quick in the real world and to be honest why would anyone want a hatchback on stilts to be quick? Lol

steveb8189

190 posts

128 months

Thursday 10th January
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Omega1987 said:
It might achieve a quick 0-60 time as a result of a part time 4x4 system but I doubt a car this heavy will be quick in the real world and to be honest why would anyone want a hatchback on stilts to be quick? Lol
If you live in a household that only needs / can afford one car and your Mrs wants one on stilts.

C70R

4,363 posts

41 months

Thursday 10th January
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steveb8189 said:
Omega1987 said:
It might achieve a quick 0-60 time as a result of a part time 4x4 system but I doubt a car this heavy will be quick in the real world and to be honest why would anyone want a hatchback on stilts to be quick? Lol
If you live in a household that only needs / can afford one car and your Mrs wants one on stilts.
And you occasionally need a bit of poke to overtake.

Classic PH narrow vision of the world leads to "I don't know why anyone would buy this car", when someone with more self-awareness would say "This doesn't appeal to me".

cookie1600

1,046 posts

98 months

Thursday 10th January
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Still not sure why I can't post the first comment without it going to a completely new section of the forum!

What I have said elsewhere is, this looks a better prospect to me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIvHrCh5ESA

wab172uk

1,146 posts

164 months

Thursday 10th January
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Having owned the previous Tiguan, they are really nice cars.

I had the 170 TDI R version. Not what you'd cal quick, but it handled surprisingly well. Much more car like than SUV. But they're not that big, so don't have the mass of most other SUV's out there.

I'm not interested in a GTI engine in a Tiguan. But a 300BHP+ 5-pot engine? Now that I'd be interested in. As said above, a practical car that meets your needs, and a bit of poke for the overtakes.
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SuperBaaaad

1,707 posts

156 months

Thursday 10th January
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steveb8189 said:
Omega1987 said:
It might achieve a quick 0-60 time as a result of a part time 4x4 system but I doubt a car this heavy will be quick in the real world and to be honest why would anyone want a hatchback on stilts to be quick? Lol
If you live in a household that only needs / can afford one car and your Mrs wants one on stilts.
This x1,000,000.

I've luckily managed to stave off getting an SUV - convincing her that an estate is better. Because I can't stand SUVs. But getting an SUV is a 'when', not an 'if'. So having one that goes quick and doesn't cost upwards of £50k is all good in my books.

otolith

36,352 posts

141 months

Thursday 10th January
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C70R said:
Classic PH narrow vision of the world leads to "I don't know why anyone would buy this car", when someone with more self-awareness would say "This doesn't appeal to me".
Fair point.

This doesn't appeal to me.

st4

455 posts

70 months

Thursday 10th January
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Boring bland car for boring bland people.

dunnoreally

234 posts

45 months

Thursday 10th January
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wab172uk said:
Having owned the previous Tiguan, they are really nice cars.
I'm not interested in a GTI engine in a Tiguan. But a 300BHP+ 5-pot engine? Now that I'd be interested in. As said above, a practical car that meets your needs, and a bit of poke for the overtakes.
RSQ3's the car for you then, surely? I wish VAG would put that engine into more things. I'm told it's very good.

wab172uk

1,146 posts

164 months

Thursday 10th January
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dunnoreally said:
RSQ3's the car for you then, surely? I wish VAG would put that engine into more things. I'm told it's very good.
No. Never liked the look of the previous Q3, and hate the look of the new Q3.

Burwood

10,684 posts

183 months

Thursday 10th January
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So the Tiguan R is still coming with either a 3L VR6 or 5 pot 2.5L. I'll believe it when i see it. I would have thought the Golf R is the natural recipient of the 2.5L and as for the new rumoured VR6. It has close to 500hp! Not a chance

thiscocks

1,825 posts

132 months

Thursday 10th January
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wab172uk said:
dunnoreally said:
RSQ3's the car for you then, surely? I wish VAG would put that engine into more things. I'm told it's very good.
No. Never liked the look of the previous Q3, and hate the look of the new Q3.
And a Tiguan looks good? They all just look like over styled vans imo (and drive like them)

SuperBaaaad

1,707 posts

156 months

Thursday 10th January
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thiscocks said:
wab172uk said:
dunnoreally said:
RSQ3's the car for you then, surely? I wish VAG would put that engine into more things. I'm told it's very good.
No. Never liked the look of the previous Q3, and hate the look of the new Q3.
And a Tiguan looks good? They all just look like over styled vans imo (and drive like them)
I think the new Tiguan looks better than the Q3 ever has. Subjective of course.

Tired

24 posts

Thursday 10th January
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thiscocks said:
And a Tiguan looks good? They all just look like over styled vans imo (and drive like them)
I agree they don't look great, but my Q3 does not drive like a van. It drives like a 4WD A3/Golf tbh.

The centre of gravity is a bit higher, but not that much, and it shares the same suspension architecture as the 'car'.

I don't particularly enjoy driving it to be honest, but then I'm not a huge fan of the A3, Golf, or that sort of thing anyway, but it's doing it an injustice to say it drives like a van.

That said, I've had a lot of fun doing silly things in an empty Kangoo with a 182 engine in it before.

thiscocks

1,825 posts

132 months

Thursday 10th January
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Tired said:
thiscocks said:
And a Tiguan looks good? They all just look like over styled vans imo (and drive like them)
I agree they don't look great, but my Q3 does not drive like a van. It drives like a 4WD A3/Golf tbh.

The centre of gravity is a bit higher, but not that much, and it shares the same suspension architecture as the 'car'.

I don't particularly enjoy driving it to be honest, but then I'm not a huge fan of the A3, Golf, or that sort of thing anyway, but it's doing it an injustice to say it drives like a van.

That said, I've had a lot of fun doing silly things in an empty Kangoo with a 182 engine in it before.
Fair enough, I was exagerating perhaps a bit. I did drive a base spec Tiguan and it was good on the motorway but give me the equivalent estate / saloon with less compromised suspension any day.

Watching these things being spanked around the ring does make me cringe a bit tbh

Burwood

10,684 posts

183 months

Thursday 10th January
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thiscocks said:
wab172uk said:
dunnoreally said:
RSQ3's the car for you then, surely? I wish VAG would put that engine into more things. I'm told it's very good.
No. Never liked the look of the previous Q3, and hate the look of the new Q3.
And a Tiguan looks good? They all just look like over styled vans imo (and drive like them)
what utter rubbish

timberman

427 posts

152 months

Thursday 10th January
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this is nothing new

We own the previous version of Tiguan which also happens to have the same engine as the mk6 golf gti.

It's my wifes car, but was also serves as the main family car for days out and holidays, mainly due to my car being unsuitable.

Having 210hp means straight line performance is pretty good and also means on family outings, (when I am inevitably behind the wheel) I can still get some enjoyment from the journey,
it even corners ok for an SUV.

If I were in the market for a replacement this would probably be high on my list.

wab172uk

1,146 posts

164 months

Thursday 10th January
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thiscocks said:
wab172uk said:
dunnoreally said:
RSQ3's the car for you then, surely? I wish VAG would put that engine into more things. I'm told it's very good.
No. Never liked the look of the previous Q3, and hate the look of the new Q3.
And a Tiguan looks good? They all just look like over styled vans imo (and drive like them)
It looks better than the Q3 yes.

I don't think the rear look right, but the front and side profiles look pretty good for a small SUV.

Burwood

10,684 posts

183 months

Thursday 10th January
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wab172uk said:
thiscocks said:
wab172uk said:
dunnoreally said:
RSQ3's the car for you then, surely? I wish VAG would put that engine into more things. I'm told it's very good.
No. Never liked the look of the previous Q3, and hate the look of the new Q3.
And a Tiguan looks good? They all just look like over styled vans imo (and drive like them)
It looks better than the Q3 yes.

I don't think the rear look right, but the front and side profiles look pretty good for a small SUV.
I agree that the tail light cluster is wrong(too small, well the indicators) and the rear is a bit unresolved. It's a very good car to drive with plenty of utility. The R Line has a st load of tech as standard. matrix lights, adaptive cruise, all manner of safety gadgets. It is light years ahead of the previous gen Tiguan. It is a very compliant and comfortable car. It's bigger than a Q3

deltashad

6,614 posts

134 months

Thursday 10th January
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I like it. My wife's golf mk2 is on stilts and I want to give it more power (she's not happy with this). Its out of her car allowance so will keep looking into an engine upgrade when she's not looking.